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601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 18, 2023, 09:59:12 PM
Every game will be boring.
Why? What do you expect for the match?
Do you dream to see all the big matches in this round?  Huh
I think the result of the draw is good enough. Big matches are better in the semi-final round.

Inter Milan vs Atletico is probably the best draw this round.
Both teams this season have produced great attacking numbers to go along with their great defense.
But I hope this is a good thing, as it will lead to the best quarterfinal matchups in history, assuming the favorites go through this round.
Sure, Inter Milan vs Atletico Madrid will be an interesting match.
I think both teams have almost the same quality. However, Inter Milan seems to have a better defense, Atletico Madrid isn't likely to have a very strong defense. Atletico Madrid only has a good attacking because they have some good attackers. Meanwhile, Inter Milan seems to have good players in any line. They have strong defenders, good midfielders, and strong attackers. I assume, Inter Milan seems a bit better, they will have a bigger chance to win against Atletico Madrid.

By the way, the match Napoli vs Barcelona is also interesting. I think they are quite equal, the match should be tight.  Grin

602  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 18, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
Man Utd are a low quality team, they put everybody behind the ball at Anfield. It’s a tactic that relegation battlers employ. Liverpool weren’t at their best but still far more likely to win than Man Utd.
Ten Hag probably didn't expect to win the match, he only targets for a draw. That's why Man United play defensively in Anfield, they tried to minimize the chance for Liverpool players to score goals. However, applying this tactic is no longer popular in the modern football. It is because this tactic even makes the opponent to have many chances for shot attempts. It really happened in the match Liverpool vs Man United, Liverpool could make 34 shot attempts. Luckily, Man United could defense well, there are no goals in the match.

Well, if we look at the stats, it is true that Man United was like a small team in EPL. It is a bit shameful that a big team like Man United applied a defensive tactic in the match.

We must improve vs Arsenal at the weekend but there will be more space to play as Arsenal don’t park the bus.
Next match, Liverpool will play against Arsenal in Anfield. This match should be more interesting than the match against Man United. But Liverpool can expect to play very offensively in this match. Arsenal is also a great team in attacking, they have many quality attackers.

603  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Waktunya berpegangan erat erat on: December 18, 2023, 09:43:11 PM
Memang kita perlu mengutamakan koin yang berada di urutan tertinggi apalagi bitcoin "peribahasanya" agar kerugian besar tidak begitu membayangi karena sudah terjamin bahwa mereka bertahan dan berkembang dengan baik sehingga memiliki kapitalisasi pasar yang besar,
Koin top memang koin yang paling recommended karena bisa dibilang pilihan paling aman jika dilihat dari berbagai hal. Sebenarnya tidak ada jaminan meskipun koin top, cuman jelas pasti lebih aman daripada koin anyar. Bukan cuman dari segi market cap, tapi juga dari segi fundamental dan historis perkembangannya.

BTW kalau investasinya sekarang, mindsetnya jangan ke kerugian Om. Kan market ke depan potensinya untuk up (bullish), harusnya jauh dari kemungkinan kerugian jika investasinya di koin yang recommended.

Tetapi saya meihat bahwa beberapa orang memaksakan diri dalam berinvestasi hingga menjual asetnya dan atau meminjam, itu adalah pilihan buruk.
Tiap orang pasti beda karakter dan juga beda target dalam investasi. Mereka yang melakukan hal tersebut mungkin memandang cara itu harus dilakukan jika ingin mendapatkan potensi untung lebih besar. Mereka pasti memasang target untuk untung yang lebih besar. Tapi model investasi seperti ini jelas sangat beresiko, apalagi dengan meminjam uang. Sebaiknya tidak ditiru, kecuali kalau memang sudah experts.

Pengumpulan altcoin saya juga sudah melakukannya di bulan-bulan sebelumnya seperti ADA, XRP, MATIC, ETH, ARB, bersyukur banget sih sebelum altseason menghampiri koin-koin ini udah memberikan keuntungan lebih dari 50% dan bahkan ada yang sudah 100% lebih, tapi sayangnya hanya menggunakan uang kecil, terkadang posisi seperti ini saya berpikir meminjam atau menjual kendaraan saya untuk berinvestasi.
Modal kecil tidak masalah asalkan itu pake dana aman. Saya yakin juga untungnya bakal lumayan kalau sampe naik 100%. Agan bisa investasi lagi lebih banyak di periode selanjutnya ketika agan sudah take profit. Agan bisa pake dana yang lebih besar untuk beli kembali aset di musim bearish selanjutnya. Untuk saat ini fokus saja ke aset yang sudah ada.

604  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Berani mengambil resiko apakah salah satu tindakan menuju sukses on: December 18, 2023, 09:30:33 PM
Ya benar yang masa mas katakan, rasa ingin cepat kaya banyak anak generasi muda sekarang mendominasi investasi dalam bentuk trading.
Investasi dalam bentuk trading itu seperti apa, Om?
Sepemahaman saya, investasi dan trading itu dua hal yang berbeda.
Saya belum pernah membaca referensi bahwa ada istilah "investasi dalam bentuk trading" atau "trading dalam bentuk investasi".  Huh

Padahal sebaliknya investasi itu butuh waktu yang sangat lama untuk mencapai yang kita inginkan.
Idealnya investasi itu punya target waktu, tidak asal lama. Tidak ada orang yang berinvestasi tanpa batas waktu, tentu ada waktunya untuk TP. "Sangat lama" yang agan maksud perlu dijelaskan.  Undecided

Jika kita sudah Investasi, sudah menaruh Uang kita di dalamnya, 10 tahun anda tinggal anda tanpa harus mengeluarkan keringat didalamnya, diamkan saja biar uang anda bekerja untuk anda.
Bisa saja kalau pasang targetnya 10 tahun. Tapi pastikan dulu investasinya pada apa. Kalau investasinya ke Bitcoin, tidak masalah jika tidak sering cek asetnya. Cuman jika investasinya ke altcoins, harus sering dicek karena bisa jadi ada isu-isu baru terkait koinnya.

Ya benar nilai value uang dalam investasi berkurang akan tetapi, ini adalah jurus jitu untuk melawan inflasi nilai asset anda akan tetap sama di 10 tahun akan datang.
Maksudnya seperti apa Om?
Kalau valuenya berkurang, artinya investasi ente gagal dong.  Roll Eyes
Investasinya sukses jika nilai asetnya meningkat, bukan sebaliknya.

605  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 17, 2023, 09:59:22 PM
Actually, Barcelona needed Harry Kane. They had to pay a big transfer fee to get him from Bayern Munich, and once again, financial difficulties were the obstacle for Barcelona. If Barcelona had not had financial difficulties, they would still be one of the best in the world today, but despite the situation, I think they are fighting great.
But I doubt if Harry Kane will fit with Barcelona play style. Harry Kane isn't a player who is familiar with Tiki-Taka tactic, he plays direct football. I think Harry Kane is in the right place to play with Bayern Munich. Also, Barcelona won't have the ability to pay Harry Kane's transfer fees. Tottenham sets his transfer fees about €100m at that time, Barcelona seems have no have enough money to pay the transfer fees. Even Barcelona has no financial problem, I still doubt if Harry Kane will move to Barcelona. He must prefer to move to Bayern Munich because Bayern Munich can offer the high chance to win a trophy of Bundesliga at least.

Messi was willing to take a pay cut and has said so on a number of occasions if memory serves me correctly. Moreover, he didn't want to move to Barcelona and moved to America so that Barcelona wouldn't sack anyone and cut players' wages to sign him. If the Arabs buy the club, the debts will of course gradually disappear
I also heard that issue, Messi wanted to cut his salary but there was still other problem between Barcelona management and him. Not sure what the real problem is, but finally Messi decided to leave Barcelona after that issues.

By the way, if Arab investors bought Barcelona, the financial problem is surely fixed but Barcelona team is under ownership of Arab investors. I think Joan Laporta didn't want this to happen.

606  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 17, 2023, 09:55:00 PM
In La Liga, Barcelona and Real Madrid are two teams with very high players' quality. They've got more young stars and the clubs are  seemingly promising as weeks and seasons go by. The only difference is the idea of team coordination and spirit. Real Madrid knows that they're meant to set the right build up to goals and so they play their specific roles to the best of their ability and leave the finishing work for the forward man.
Barcelona and Real Madrid are always dominating La Liga, they have much better squad quality than other teams. It is because they are popular and have great financial level. Sadly, Barcelona has a problem with their financial, that makes them difficult to maintain their squad quality. Meanwhile Real Madrid, they still can maintain their squad quality because they can buy potential players.

In Barcelona, the team is lacking in a number of areas. Lewandowski has age taking toll on him and his team mates are gradually turning every game to a one man show. This also adds to their reduced performances too. The coach should be proactive to fixing up these loopholes as they're very much a threat to team's growth.
Barcelona too relies on Lewandowski for scoring goals. They may forget that Lewandowski won't always play in his best level. Sadly, Lewandowski got a severe injury and he must take a rest a long time. It makes him to play again in his best form, he needs time to return his best performance. Unfortunately, Barcelona has no another productive attacker, it leads to the lack of goals made by Barcelona players lately.

607  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Berani mengambil resiko apakah salah satu tindakan menuju sukses on: December 15, 2023, 08:59:50 PM
saat ini sangat banyak orang yang sukses karena mereka siap menerima setiap resiko yang ada,dan seperti yang anda katakan alangkah baiknya kita hindari dulu apabila ada masalah yang memang harus kita pelajari dulu sebelum melangkah dan harus hati-hati saat melakukan suatu hal yang memang membahayakan,baik itu dalam bentuk investasi maupun dalam bentuk lain seperti berdagang saham,kadang tindakan yang kita lakukan sangat beresiko namun punya keyakinan besar sehingga kesuksesan yang kita impikan sangat mudah untuk di capai.
Bukan hanya untuk saat ini, daru dulu orang-orang yang sukses yaitu orang-orang yang mau menghadapi resiko dan mampu untuk mengatasinya. Karena dibalik resiko tentu ada peluang untuk sukses, orang-orang umumnya mengatakan tidak akan ada kesuksesan jika tidak ingin ambil resiko. Sama halnya dengan berinvestasi Bitcoin atau altcoins, kita tidak akan pernah sukses jika kita takut dengan resiko "volatilitas harga yang tinggi". Kita harus paham jika volatilitas itu peluang profit besar, bukan hanya sebagai sebuah resiko. Orang-orang yang punya mental sukses, mereka akan berfokus untuk mengetahui cara memanfaatkan volatilitas yang tinggi tersebut. Mereka tidak akan menghindarinya Om. Kalau kita hindari, kapan kita bisa menanganinya. Tapi tentu harus punya ilmu terlebih dahulu untuk bisa menanganinya dengan cara yang tepat.  Wink

608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 15, 2023, 08:46:41 PM
Al Hilal are undefeated in the league in 17 matches. They assembled a great team. Although most people know Al Nassr because of Cristiano Ronaldo, Al Hilal is a team with a better quality squad. Al Nassr is missing one match and there is currently a 10 point difference between them. The championship is now a difficult possibility for Al Nassr. Still, having competition makes the league better.
You're right. Al Hilal is unbeatable until now. It is already 17 matches, Al Hilal won 15 matches and got 2 draws only. People know Al Nassr due to Ronaldo becomes the star players there. Now, people know Al Hilal because Mitrovic contributed a lot for this team to keep winning every match. Well, the point gap between Al Hilal and Al Nassr is quite large. 10 point difference will make Al Nassr players to have no chance to overtake Al Hilal. If Al Hilal keeps their consistency in playing, Al Nassr surely will be very difficult to beat Al Hilal in the race of the title. So, although the end of the season is still quite far from now, Al Hilal looks very convincingly to be the champion this season.

609  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 15, 2023, 08:35:01 PM
In terms of squad strength, Napoli are still better than Cagliari but indeed with the current performance and the pressure given to the new coach, I can't really predict that Napoli will win 3 points in this match.
No doubt that Napoli has a stronger squad. I think Cagliari is just a small team in Serie A. Napoli shouldn't have a problem to beat Cagliari although they have a new coach. Mazzarri must know well how to deal with a team like Cagliari. It should be an easy match for him, I think we can predict it easily when it is against small team.

They are still very weak in terms of consistency and that still cannot be fully corrected by Mazzari, who is a new coach, especially the 2 big matches that he immediately encountered when he became the new coach, will slightly raise the level of pessimism.
We can't easily conclude it because Napoli faced strong teams lately. I think Napoli must play more consistently if they play against average teams in Serie A. It become very difficult for Mazzarri because he must face 2 strongest teams in Serie A in the last 2 matches (Inter Milan and Juventus). I think we don't need to feel worried because they are defeated by 2 strongest teams.

610  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 15, 2023, 08:23:14 PM
Real Madrid team is much stronger than PSG. The bonding between Real Madrid players is very strong. That's why despite not having an experienced striker, Real Madrid performed very well in every match of the group stage. On the other hand, the performance of PSG players in the group stage matches was very erratic. However, if Real Madrid want to win the Champions League title, they will definitely need to add an experienced striker to their squad in the winter transfer. Without an experienced striker, it will be much more difficult for Real Madrid to consistently perform well in each match in the knockout rounds.
Indeed. Real Madrid is still stronger than PSG. It is not only about the bonding among the players, they also have good relationship with the coach. I almost have never heard about the bad issue between Ancelotti and the players. He is a smart coach and has a charismatic personality. This creates good atmosphere in Real Madrid squad. It is very different with PSG that we often heard that Mbappe and some players have bad relationships.

Yep. Real Madrid won all the matches in group stage, they played perfectly so far. But Real Madrid seems still have a little problem, they have no strong strikers. A strong striker is needed because he can make a difference in the match, and the team sometimes relies on the striker in scoring goals. However, Real Madrid still have productive attackers like Bellingham, Vinicius, and Rodrygo.

PSG got difficulty in some matches in group stage. They are even almost not qualified to the next round. Luckily, other teams in F also experienced the same thing. Well, PSG is quite lucky to qualify for the knock-out phase.

611  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Let Bitcoin Help You Get a Girlfriend (Boyfriend) on: December 15, 2023, 04:47:27 PM
If you're a Bitcoin enthusiast who is single as a Pringle because you're stuck in your apartment reading and keeping up with the latest in the Bitcoin space while helping the community grow and do whatever it is that bitcoiners do.

Or perhaps you've lost your charm, and you're looking for a good pickup line; this new Bitcoin ad will help you find girlfriends (boyfriends) during the upcoming bull run.
We mustn't experience this. Investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean to torturing us. We don't need to be trapped in our apartment, we can hang out or take vacation although we invest in Bitcoin. We should take a loot at the price chart the whole day, or we update information about Bitcoin every minute. Those are too much behavior of a Bitcoiner.

If we want to get a girlfriend, it is a must to socialize with others. We must go out from our apartment, we have to meet a lot of people. Living in an apartment only, shouldn't be a good life, we must be easy to feel bored with very limited activities. So, although we are heading the bullrun season, we must have time to socialize with other people.

612  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 14, 2023, 09:35:09 PM
If Liverpool should draw with Manchester United, they know what's at stake for them in the Premier League table. A draw with Manchester United indicates that they wish to give up ground to Arsenal to stay above them, as Arsenal will undoubtedly win at home against Brighton. Therefore, regardless of how defensively Manchester United plays, Liverpool will make every effort to defeat Manchester United to maintain their recent top position in the Premier League standings.
I think Liverpool has everything to beat Man United. They performed well in EPL matches lately, they also will play at home in the upcoming match. They are unbeatable in the last 5 matches, meanwhile Man United always performed very unstable. Moreover, there are too many problem with Man United lately, it may bother their focus in playing. So, there is no reason that the match against Man United will end with a draw. I'm very sure that Liverpool will get full points in the upcoming match. I even doubt that Arsenal can easily win against Brighton. This team sometimes becomes the obstacle of the top teams in EPL. So, Arsenal can't underestimate Brighton although Arsenal is superior against them.

613  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 14, 2023, 09:24:52 PM
Joao Felix performance does seem unsatisfactory, he may not be the kind of striker who score a lot of goals for his clubs, while Xavi Hernandez need a striker who has more quality than that and what is certain is that Barcelona will think carefully if they want to recruit him, which is not worth the price of €80 million for recruiting a striker like Joao Felix is a very expensive price,~
Indeed. If we consider the number of goals or assist made by Felix, he doesn't seem already contributing a lot for Barcelona. Xavi must think again to spend €80 million for signing Felix. I agree with you, €80 million seems too expensive for signing Felix. Moreover, Felix isn't a typical player who can make many goals in every season. Xavi needs another player who can guarantee many goals, Felix still isn't the best option for this matter.

I thinks Barcelona will choose another option in the transfer market. It look like Barcelona won't spending much money to recruited players considering his dire financial condition.
Well, you're right. Xavi seems prefer to sign a player like Osimhen, L. Martinez, or Mbappe if they need to spend huge amount of money. €80 million isn't a small amount of money, Barcelona must have many options with that money. Sure, Barcelona probably gets a better player with €80 million. So, it is unlikely to sign Felix if Atletico Madrid sets €80 million for the price.

614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top altcoin that you won't buy anymore on: December 14, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
XRP is so manipulated and the supply is too much ffor it to make a huge profit unless you haave gobbled a large sum of XRP which means you have a huge capital that you can wait for it to break its ATH which was $3. In the last bull run, they didn't make it. If you were an investor of XRP at that time, you may have been disappointed as well. XRP though is great for sending as payment since its fast and with a cheaper transaction fee.
What do you mean by "so manipulated"?  Huh
I don't think the total supply is a problem as long as the price still can increase normally. Dogecoin even has unlimited total supply, but people still invest in Dogecoins due to its high increase. It is true that XRP didn't create a new ATH in the last bullrun season (2021), but the price of XRP could increase quite well. Taking profits doesn't always to wait for the new ATH, right?

Ihmo solana had unreasonable amount of fear included because it was endorsed by SBF, and because ftx/sam had large bags of it, so obviously everyone panicked about the dump. Solana itself was a victim by association, and had way more severe blows then it deserved. But then again, solana wasn't only one and could have easily failed with others without the connection. Just because or overall crypto bearmarket.
Although Solana has that bad news, in fact the price of Solana still could increase well lately. I think people will still feel optimistic in Solana because Solana actually has great fundamentals. People will forget any bad news related to Solana as long as it can prove that it doesn't hinder the development of Solana and its price in the market. Moreover, we are heading the bullrun season, people will assume positively related to the potential of SOL price in the next year.

615  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you still use Banks ? on: December 14, 2023, 08:59:16 PM
We have cryptocurrency you still use Banks ?
In my country, we only can use crypto coins for investment. We can't use crypto coins for paying goods or services. So, of course we still use banks, we need fiats for daily needs. It is impossible to use crypto coins for the payment purposes because it breaks our laws.

Do you use more crypto or banks for your daily or average transactions ?
We use fiats for daily transactions. We pay goods and services by using fiats.
We have crypto coins in the private wallets or exchange wallets for investment. We sometimes convert the crypto coins to fiats whenever we need fresh money. We can't use it for paying anything in our country.

Do you think banks not working reliable any more ?
I think banks function quite reliable in my country. But there are too many banks here, there are too many options for banks. As far as I know, most people in my country still feel satisfied with bank services. The main problem is still related to bank loan interest, but people sometimes have no other choice.

616  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 08:49:14 PM
Leverkusen win 5:1 and win Group H with the best result of all teams. 6 games 6 wins and 19:3 goals, they showed how good that is today in the game against Molde. Boniface Victor scored the most goals in the Europa League last season = 6, and now he has 4 goals in 5 games, he should do better this season. Leverkusen are a team that can win the cup, and Liverpool and Olympique Marseille should also has a good chance.
Yep. Leverkusen performed perfectly, they win all the matches in the group stage. No other teams could win all the matches, including Liverpool and Roma. In the early competition, we hope Liverpool and Roma will perform well as Leverkusen, but they seem not in their best form. So, we can assume that Leverkusen is the most favorite team to win this competition because they look to play consistently until the end of this competition.

In the Premier League Competition, I'm impressed with Liverpool. They have good midfielder's and attackers but I'm not a fan of them defending players. Klopp has to get a new defender if he must win the Premier League. They don't have a good defense as far as I know.
In the final match of the group stage, Liverpool didn't play with their best lineup. No only the defense, their midfielders and attackers look not really great. It is different with the matches in EPL, they use the best lineup. So, they can get maximum results in each EPL match. But in Europa League, Klopp often rotates the starting lineups. In this matter, we can't compare their matches in EPL and in Europa League.

617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 13, 2023, 09:36:37 PM
Girona will be able to make many surprises this season because they are so ambitious to make new history in Laliga. It is difficult for other teams to overthrow Barcelona at Camp Nou with a big score but Girona can do it.
They already made surprises although it is still the first half of the season. They may have the big ambition, but their good teamwork that makes them to play very strong. People mustn't expect they will beat Barcelona at home in matchday 16. But they proved it by defeating Barcelona with 4 goals. Sure, no team can underestimate Girona now. Girona can challenge any team in La Liga because they have proven that they are capable to do it.

However, in terms of defense, of course their defense is not that strong because they have conceded 20 goal, But that is not a bad thing because Girona is able to turn many situations around in every match they play. In my opinion, Girona will be able to close the season in the top 4 and could even be the team that succeeds in winning the Laliga Trophy this season.
Yes, Girona defense may be the weakest line. But I don't think Girona have bad quality of defenders. They also have good midfielders to help the defense line to be stronger. So, I think Girona mustn't feel so worried about their defense line. They are conceded many goals because they are playing quite offensive. Well, I think Girona must finish in the top 3 if they can maintain their good performance.

618  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 13, 2023, 09:26:41 PM
Even though there is a greater possibility for Napoli to win the match at home when facing Cagliari, I think Napoli should not underestimate a team like Cagliari because this season Cagliari also often surprises in matches with other big teams. So Napoli also have to be more serious in facing Cagliari because every victory must always be achieved with struggle. Because victory will not come by itself if the team does not try more seriously even though the team they are facing is a small team.
In theory, Napoli must win against Cagliari. Napoli has a better squad and they also will play the match at home. We know that Cagliari is in the 16th place, it is not very far from the relegation zone. From this position, we also know that Cagliari is not in their good performance this season. So, playing against weaker team like Cagliari which isn't in their good performance, Napoli must get full points. However, I agree that we don't underestimate any team in Serie A because the small team can be an obstacle if they can play as a solid team during the match. But I believe that Napoli will beat Cagliari with big scores in the upcoming match.  Wink


619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Investors Confidence in Bitcoin💪 on: December 13, 2023, 09:13:19 PM
Where can we see the future price of BTC? So far all I see is its past and present price. This is the only thing that we got, but a person can be too optimistic by only looking at the patterns on the charts. They think it will be followed again and they already calculated if how much the value of BTC will be in the future. Not all that we see are true, especially online. So, be careful on replicating them. It could be possible that they are created for the people to FOMO in BTC.
Sure, no way to know the Bitcoin future price. We only can make speculation about the future price of Bitcoin. Most of us probably use the same in speculating the price. We analyze chart patterns, some fundamental aspects, and the current news. But this surely never guarantees the price of Bitcoin in the future. So I agree that we don't easily believe in all the price prediction made by people. There are people who want to make the hype or FOMO through the possibility of significant price increase during the next  bullrun season. I my self prefer to do my own analysis and make own prediction about the possibility of Bitcoin price in the future.  Wink

And once those people realize that what they saw/hear and what they currently experience are not the same, they can quit on it (sell at a loss). That is how manipulators make money.
But experienced people probably won't experience this. It is mostly happening in the beginners. Only those people who still have lack of knowledge that don't know the bullrun may not happening in the same pattern. Each bullrun season may have its own pattern. So, we shouldn't be too dependent on the previous bullrun period in making the strategy for the upcoming bullrun season.

620  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What should newbies do in trading? on: December 13, 2023, 08:53:48 PM
I'm also beginner in trading. I trade since this summer and I lost about $90 on $120 account. Recently I make $20 on last $34.
It seems you already find a better way in trading. Although you got a loss $90, but you finally could make a profit about $20. Maybe you traded in the wrong way previously, now you already trade in a proper way. I can understand if you didn't succeed suddenly in your first attempt in trading, you are just a beginner, right? However, although you still couldn't take profits with huge money, there is a good progress in your trading journey at least.

It seems to me that I understand enough about technical analysis, trading systems and trader psychology. But I'm at a dead end and don't know what to do next. Other traders advised me to just trade, but I think that over time I will lose my remaining $45,
Although you understand well the fundamental of trading but you have a lack of experience. Sometimes experience has a big role to determine the success in trading. So, don't give up! You probably will trade better when you already have enough knowledge. Losing the money is something normal in trading, it will give you an experience and a lesson to trade better. As long as you use small money in trading, I think it is okay. Don't too obsessed to get huge profits now!!

~ demo trading does not bring such emotions and I don’t want to try hard when trading it
Demo trading never gives you a real experience. It is just the way to understand basic things in trading. So, don't rely on demo trading to improve your trading!

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