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601  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 03, 2014, 02:00:13 PM
Risto (and all),

Where do you think we will find the 100GW of electricity that we will need in order to sustain a 100k$ bitcoin ?

I suppose that a financial treaty between a sufficient number of developed countries could establish a mining pool cartel. The cartel would consist of a majority of the current mining pool incumbents. Cryptographic virtual medallions would be one-time generated and sold to the cartel. Each such virtual medallion would give the bearer the legal right to consume a certain amount of electric power for the purpose of mining bitcoin. The virtual medallions would be treated as property and could be sold. Furthermore, they could be somehow combined and divided by some mathematical mechanism.

The treaty would specify the total amount of power that could be spent worldwide for Bitcoin mining. The free market would allow the exchange of virtual medallions from one mining pool to another. I think that this could be done without forking the blockchain, provided that another shared database contains the cryptographic proof that a coinbase block was signed by a certain virtual medallion.

There are likely loose ends and various faults with this scheme, but the main idea is similar to how New York City controls the number and profitability of its taxi cabs. Because a small number of mining pools effectively control bitcoin, I believe they could reject as invalid any new blocks created outside of this medallion process.
602  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 03, 2014, 03:50:52 AM
what in your opinion happens to those big farms if the price hits -$200?
Those big farms are likely running at a loss right now, considering the need to continually upgrade their hashing power. Cheap power cost does not solve this major problem of Bitcoin ASIC mining.

But even if miners are better off in the long run simply buying and holding bitcoin, they are still better off mining compared to conventional business investment because the next bubble will vastly increase the value of any coins they have not yet exchanged, thus ensuring that if they can hold on, they will prosper. I understand for example that the operator of the US Washington State bitcoin ASIC farm has a personal holding of over 1000 BTC.
603  Economy / Economics / Re: Slippery Slope's Million Dollar Logistic Model on: April 03, 2014, 03:40:08 AM
With exponential growth already on the charts I'm not going to fight the trend.

I meant. Is there a technical reason?  Why do you do Technical Analysis w log vs linear?

Sure technical analysis could be performed on a linear chart, but then all the trend lines added the chart by the analyst would have to be exponential and no tool I know can do that.

I suggest that linear charts are best used for brief time frames, e.g. days, in which the exponential curves are flatter, and might effectively be ignored.
604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt-N coins dominating the Coinwarz chart on: April 02, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
Now I am seeing what the rest of you are . . .
605  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 02, 2014, 05:31:01 PM
I am watching both Huobi and Bitstamp on Bitcoin Wisdom. The Chinese are driving prices lower and Bitstamp is following. It has been reported that certain exchanges have indeed been notified by their respective banks that accounts used to receive customer deposits must be closed.

On Bitstamp, the price is currently $431.76 which is a lower low than a few days ago. Big red candle on the 6 hour chart. I am on my way to the local Robocoin ATM to put a few more fiat bills into it.
606  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 02, 2014, 05:12:31 PM
Thanks to you all, I have a better understanding of the theoretical relationship between bitcoin transaction quantity and price. Consequently, I have started watching even more closely the Blockchain.info chart that best illustrates the recent data.

Note that reported transaction quantity has been declining starting in March. I wonder which data series will reverse trend upwards first - transaction quantity or price?

607  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 02, 2014, 05:02:11 PM
I wanted to dip my toe into the Aminorex / AnonyMint debate.

Like Aminorex pointed out, we must be careful with our units.  When applying the Quantity Theory of Money equation (MV=PQ) to bitcoin, one must measure everything in bitcoins.  I believe it is reasonable to assume:

M = total number of bitcoins is circulation
V = total volume of bitcoin transactions per year / total number of bitcoins in circulation
P = price levels measured in bitcoins
Q = real output

So, the velocity of money for bitcoin is not going to be proportional to the number of transactions per day.  Instead it will be proportional to the volume of bitcoin transactions per day.  Below is the plot I get for the yearly velocity of money for bitcoin.  Velocity has been decreasing over the last year, which I believe makes sense.  Bitcoin's primary use is a store of value so as the coins become distributed across the population more efficiently, I believe it is reasonable to expect aggregate behaviour to increasingly favour holding to spending. 

This means that price levels P must decrease to an extent greater than real output Q increases.  In other words, due to the store-of-value property of bitcoin, and based on empirical data over the last year, the price of bitcoin against a stable currency should increase at a rate faster than bitcoin's underlying economy. 



I have thought about the proportion of transacting bitcoins vs the held-in-storage bitcoins. Coinbase reported that approximately 80% of their customers were buy-and-hold. The proportion I think is important when trying to figure out a maximum value of bitcoin. But your graph neatly sidesteps the issue because the shape of the function is independent of any consistent adjustment of the bitcoin quantity available for transactions. Right?
608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Scrypt-N coins dominating the Coinwarz chart on: April 02, 2014, 04:53:16 PM
I currently lease my GPU rigs to scrypt miners, but have been considering Scrypt-N because of the competing ASIC rigs expected this year.

Its interesting that in recent days, scrypt-N coins have been dominating the Coinwarz profitability chart, when I enter Scrypt-N hashing rate that corresponds to what has been reported for my type of GPU cards.

609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best quote from Satoshi on: April 02, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
This quote shows also that he's probably not that young since he knows about the time sharing computers in the nineties. And indeed a great quote. Clearly showing the trust deficiency in the current money system.
I recall the term time sharing being widely used especially in the 1960's and early 1970's.
610  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 02, 2014, 05:15:19 AM
Your model continues to boggle my mind.

I try to perform at least one Bitcoin transaction daily. Either by spending some, buying some, transferring some, or most often by receipt of mining earnings.

Suppose that I am responsible for permanently increasing the daily quantity of transactions by one. Today's adjusted number of transactions reported by Blockchain.info is 58,006, and your model projects a market cap of $1.50 * 58,006 * 58,006 = $5,047,044,054.00. My contribution makes the adjusted number of transactions 58,007, and the corresponding market cap is 5,047,218,073.50. The difference between the two market caps is $174,019.50. As the total number of Bitcoins at the time of writing is 12,591,775, my one incremental daily transaction lifts the corresponding price per bitcoin by 0.013 USD.

And this is why Quantity Theory of Money says M x V = value, not M alone. This is why selling out to fiat via Bitpay robs us of the square of the count of transactions and puts that value in fiat instead. The value of a network is the velocity times the position, not just the position, i.e. if all the actors (hodlers of money or nodes) don't interact then the network is a beautiful pile of do-nothing.
Using bitpay keeps BTC in the air.  That creates a churning marginal demand which decreases the supply on the fiat market.  If you buy immediately before spending, and the merchant takes fiat, then the time in the air is small.  If you buy in anticipation, V decreases, and the effective air time, from the point of view of the exchange market, is quite long.  Using bitpay also adds to the bid and to the ask on the market, thus increasing liquidity, which in turn makes bitcoin marginally more efficient (less slippage) and less risky (as liquidity is available when it is needed).

One of the ways I spend bitcoin is to buy gift cards from Gyft or Giftcard Zen. Unfortunately the coins get converted into fiat right away and my subsequent use of the gift card at, for example, Amazon does not add to the Bitcoin economy. I expect that as the Bitcoin economy grows, business to business bitcoin transactions will also grow enough to keep the flow going once a merchant receives my coin.
611  Economy / Economics / Re: Slippery Slope's Million Dollar Logistic Model on: April 02, 2014, 05:06:10 AM
As a trader have you tried fibonacci retracement & extension on your charts?

I use fib numbers a lot on my charts for price guidance.   Not necessarily for predictive value.

I have not used them much because my trading is very coarse grained. Back in April 2013, which was my best trade, I set a spread of sell orders as the prices appeared to double in the week leading up the peak. This was at Mt. Gox. Most of the sell orders got filled, I did not know where the first pullback would exactly be - who could - but I spread my buy-back orders around $120 which was a 50% retracement from $240 which was the last time I could reliably place an order on Gox that near the peak.

Bitcoin Wisdom has a lovely Fibonacci line drawing feature that I may further explore. And I have come to depend on BitDreams' charts posted occasionally in this thread.
612  Economy / Economics / Re: Slippery Slope's Million Dollar Logistic Model on: April 02, 2014, 04:09:30 AM
Seems like you are curve fitting along with selection bias.   Are you a statician or trader?


Guilty as charged. The logistic model is hand fit according to my guess as to a maximum price value of one million USD, and my placement of the two previous bubbles into the future is biased by the supposition that the next bubble will be very similar to the previous two bubbles.

I have an undergraduate degree in applied mathematics, which gives me a certain comfort with numbers. I last traded bitcoin back in the summer of 2013, mistiming the exact bottom and paying for it when I bought back in. My timing of the two previous bubble peaks has been satisfactory however, and I am considering a trade off the next bubble peak, or at a minimum a postponement of mining equipment purchases and other major bitcoin spending until the peak - which I will recognize by the simple method of counting the days for each doubling from the low. When the price looks to double in less than a week - I sell.

Of course my posts are biased because I am a bitcoin holder and want others to participate in the economy and thus lift prices. Satoshi factored in the enthusiasm of early adopters as he designed the virtuous circle that has brought us this far.
613  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 02, 2014, 03:37:39 AM
Blockchain.info has now removed the "holes" from their charts, allowing me to update my Metcalfe Value plot.  Although we don't have price data prior to the opening of MtGox mid 2010, I was able to use the Metcalfe model to extrapolate backwards to the genesis block.  The extrapolated value of all bitcoins in circulation was approximately $10,000 in 2009, before beginning the now famous trajectory to the moon in 2010.  

The constant of proportionality in Metcalfe's law (V ~ N2) was also quantified for each of the two proxies for N.  For example, using the number of transactions per day excluding popular addresses for N, the model best fit the market cap data with a constant of proportionality equal to $1.50.  In other words, the model predicts that the bitcoin market capitalization is approximately equal to $1.50 multiplied by the square of the number of TXs per day (excluding popular addresses).

I am still stunned that the Metcalfe model so accurately corresponds to the actual market cap over 4 years and over 1,000,000% growth in market cap.  The plot confirms for me that the value of bitcoin comes from the network of people who use it.  If we keep finding new ways to use bitcoin, the rest will take care of itself.  



Your model continues to boggle my mind.

I try to perform at least one Bitcoin transaction daily. Either by spending some, buying some, transferring some, or most often by receipt of mining earnings.

Suppose that I am responsible for permanently increasing the daily quantity of transactions by one. Today's adjusted number of transactions reported by Blockchain.info is 58,006, and your model projects a market cap of $1.50 * 58,006 * 58,006 = $5,047,044,054.00. My contribution makes the adjusted number of transactions 58,007, and the corresponding market cap is 5,047,218,073.50. The difference between the two market caps is $174,019.50. As the total number of Bitcoins at the time of writing is 12,591,775, my one incremental daily transaction lifts the corresponding price per bitcoin by 0.013 USD.

Right?



614  Economy / Economics / Re: Slippery Slope's Million Dollar Logistic Model on: April 02, 2014, 02:28:00 AM
Summer 2014 Bitcoin Bubble - First Projection

I hand fit this simple projection by copying the April 2013 bubble and the November 2013 bubble into the future, aligning both along the logistic model trendline. The vertical line separates the current Bitstamp price series from the future hypothesis. This first iteration of the 2014 Bitcoin bubble projection supposes that the peak occurs in July - August and that the ensuing collapse is underway in September. I project the peak at 6000 USD and the subsequent consolidation price at approximately 3000 USD through year end 2014.

As the collapse of the current bubble resolves, perhaps further iterations of this projection can be more accurately placed. The crucial assumption of this projection is that the next bubble will be very similar to the previous two.

615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Compare profitability - Scrypt multipools, Doge, Litecoin, Vertcoin, Heavycoin on: April 01, 2014, 04:48:13 PM

Thanks, I leave this great performance chart open on one of my monitors.
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Compare profitability - Scrypt multipools, Doge, Litecoin, Vertcoin, Heavycoin on: April 01, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOAhFX1XRizdaTp71qnYI5pRh9VIZEQ51LHuGUmxri0/pubhtml

Invalid column index 11. Should be an integer in the range [0-10].

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617  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fiatleak.com showing massive, ongoing BTC buying from China on: March 31, 2014, 09:56:12 AM
What I would like from a site like Fiatleak is the net amount of fiat entering an exchange. But as this data is not available, the site uses trades - which is distorted by zero-fee trading common on Chinese exchanges.

Zero fee trading is great, but not used everywhere.
618  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 30, 2014, 01:28:24 AM
I watch Huobi, which is one of the Chinese exchanges that is a leader in no-fee trading. I find the volume numbers on Huobi plausible. I am not a trader now, but I believe no-fee trading greatly facilitates the high volume.
619  Economy / Economics / Re: Dutch energy company BAS accepts Bitcoin on: March 29, 2014, 04:36:21 AM
accepting crypto and just switching to local currency wont do squat as we've seen the more places that accept crypto drives down the price as more use and then merchants sell than line up to buy

I have thought about that also. But as soon as discounts are provided to business-to-business purchases made via Bitcoin, then merchants will recycle coins they received from their own customers into purchases in order to obtain the discounts.

For example, I can buy Walmart gift cards from Gyft and receive a small discount using reward points. For a company that routinely buys gasoline or other supplies from Walmart, that discount is significant.
620  Economy / Economics / Re: Dutch energy company BAS accepts Bitcoin on: March 28, 2014, 09:01:53 PM
This is indeed important.

I worked for a very large regional Electric utility in Florida, USA, programming and managing a portion of the customer billing function. Customers wanted to pay by a variety of convenient methods, yet because the utility operated as a regulated monopoly, it could not pass on to ratepayers as a whole, the merchant fees charged by credit card companies - thus credit card payments were not an option unless the ratepayer paid all the fees, which were percentage-wise onerous.

With a simple Bitcoin address, there is no fee to the receiver of the payment transaction - as the sender pays the fee, which is tiny percentage-wise. Integration with a Bitcoin payment service such as BitPay or CoinBase would cost more. But I suppose that if the utility kept the coin, it could be easily handed out to deserving and willing employees as bonus without exchanging for fiat.

Moreover, public utilities accepting Bitcoin will encourage governments to accept Bitcoin for fees and taxes, for the same reasons regarding credit card merchant fees, and the absence of charge backs.

Once governments routinely accept Bitcoin, banking as we know it slips further down the slope to obsolescence.

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