This is from the people that got Betcoin.ag user login/email early last January the same week that they announced a mandatory PW change for every single player. The same email described above was sent to an email address only ever used to register for Betcoin.ag today at 1:56 am EST with a phishing link leading through a russian site and landing on a similiar url as bitcasino with "bitcoindrugs" added. A couple weeks ago, they sent this email:  It linked to a casino that looked exactly like Bitcasino, but was only a cashier with deposit address and an ad to download free vpn. Since January Betcoin.ag has been asked probably close to 100 times by various users how someone got their users login/email info. Their only response has been that they were not hacked. Here are some examples of other phishing attempts made by the same people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1379083.0I too just got one of these.  I do not believe i had an account at BitCasino... (I just made one) I bet you have an account at Betcoin.ag thats at least 3 months old though! |
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It seems like it shouldnt be that far off.
That's because you are a human with emotions. Not a computer. If you want to prove it's rigged forget how you "feel" or it "seems", get the HHs of an adequate sample size, figure out what's going on and explain it to the rest of us. Here's an example of how Michael Shackleford did it (successfully imo) http://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/casino-bar/Otherwise people will look at you the same as guys like this: +1 THE LIVE GAMES ARE RIGGED! GO PLAY BETONPOKER ITS JUST SO IN YOUR FACE RIGGED THAT ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY!
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 What would be worse? If they are lying or telling the truth? Is there a lie that is worse than Betcoin's truth? If this isn't the actual truth, why would they make up a lie that's worst than the truth? Maybe he's covering for Jessica? I asked who banned me and why, does anyone else translate this response to "I banned you because I'm crazy and I do what I want"?  |
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@roslinpl I request again that you clarify your statement on why you are quite sure that my accusations are false. It's been well over a month since you made it in THIS POST (in this thread), and it seems you are unable to back up your statement. Were you intentionally being dishonest? Do you believe what you said? If you were forced to say it, I would understand. You can respond here, pm, anywhere really. That way I can stop asking. I noticed your local rules and am interested in whether or not they will be enforced. I think perhaps Betcoin has convinced you that "spam" is anything that makes you look bad. It's not. Some examples of spam would be when someone just fills up big space with random characters, when someone is just copy/pasting the same thing over and over, or when someone is just quoting a something big and just saying two words under it to take up space on the screen LIKE THIS
If your rules are enforced, you may end up getting several members of your own campaign banned , including the sponsor! A perfect example is back in october, I had a serious issue involving over $1k USD worth of BTC missing. Betcoin makes a statement, about a policy never mentioned or practiced by other sites I say something about it, and immediately hopenotelate jumps to defend Betcoin with a 100% lie. Then just ignores any question of why he said that. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.msg12699686#msg12699686Your statement above is partially false as well: there are pokerrooms where you dont get awarded VIP points if you join tournaments by winning satellites. Why are you stating the false then? Yes there are poker rooms that do not award VIP points for mtts you qualify for. I did not say there isn't. I'll concede that I can not prove that there are no other sites with a rewards program that rewards mtt players based on the fee they paid, unless they qualified via satellite (which they also paid a separate fee for) which awarded both the buy in + fee from the prize pool. (Which means they raked the satellite entry twice, and only pay vip rewards once) I still stand behind my statement and would be surprised if you were to prove me wrong. It's possible though.
I played several ipoker skins that used (at least when I was playing there) that practice (if its that one the practice you are referring to) and incerely thought the whole ipoker network was doing the same (prove me I'm wrong on Ipoker please because I still sincerely think so).
It's possible, I suppose. iPoker has a very unorthodox approach to rakeback. More recently they switched to a model which awards rakeback based on how much a player has deposit and lost/won rather than how much has actually been raked from the hands they played relative to the ammount they contributed to pot. I think more likely you didn't understand the policy then, now, or both.
I live in a gaming regulated country where player of my nationality are compelled to play on our country pokerrooms against players of my same nationality and most of them still do that practice.
I doubt that. Not that it really matters, but I too live in a (very) regulated jurisdiction and can say for a fact that none of them have such a policy.
You are a great selective quoter: you could also quote a post of mine following by few posts the one you quoted where I adimit I was wrong when stating that stars and iPoker are the first two in poker industry for numbers of players but instead are first and fourth: so what I wrote wasnt completely false but only partially (stars is the first) and two position wrong about ipoker (fourth instead of second).
So I kept on answering your post and didnt "just ignore any question" and you stated. Yes, it's true in THIS POST you admited you were wrong about ipoker being the second biggest. I doubt most members of this campaign would have done that, well done. I don't see how this was relevant enough to mention.
Why are you stating the false then? I'm not.
Then, one or two page after, there is another post of mine where I wrote I asked a friend of mine who plays on partypoker and he told me I was wrong about the vippoints/satellites policy and at the end of my post I clearly wrote I was wrong and it was my bad.
But of course you have been careful not to quote it to make me appear an inveterate liar.
So it was the second post from me answering to the one you just quoted here. First, lets look at Betcoins original statement and the first response: For clarity, players receive VIP points when you use your bitcoin to buy into a satellite tournament based on the fees you pay. You do not receive VIP points on the tournament that you are entered into once you win the seat.
...and, by the way, it is what happens in every FIAT based pokerroom. So hope noone will complain about it. Keep in mind, what you said was completely false. (No other poker major room has this policy, probably no other room period) Why would I bother to mention that in THIS POSTyou said you asked a friend and found out that ONE site does not have the same policy. Thats still implying the policy is normal and makes sense, which is against my entire argument.
Why again you stating the false saying I completely ignored you? Because you did. You still haven't explained why you made THIS POST It's ok though, you aren't running a poker site, so I stopped asking.
Who is the liar? You are a liar. There are many though and most of them have much worse intentions than you. I think you just took something I said too personally. |
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Seems like a pretty unsafe system if people can get randomly banned and nobody knows why. Perhaps even more of their infrastructure has been compromised? What would be worse? If they are lying or telling the truth? |
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So yesterday affternoon I was in Betcoin chat explaining how the other skins of WPN worked: 2:49pmOHYEAH: yeah on 5dimes you can request 27% flat rb 2:49pmOHYEAH: you get rb or the vip program 2:49pmOHYEAH: not both 2:51pmOHYEAH: try betdsi or moneybookers 2:51pmOHYEAH: etc 2:51pmOHYEAH: sharktank is WPN cash, spin n gos mtts 2:51pmOHYEAH: same thing, same payment processors Then Boom, ban #9 for me I believe.  A minute later I see Andrew in the chat so i fill out the 3 fields required to make new account "twiitchyseal" and ask him why he banned me. Get banned again. So I pull up live support and we get off to a rocky start but I was able to have a decent conversation with George (customer service) which was something I never thought would happen. He says he doesnt know why I was banned but would try and find out, and I believe he will try mostly because he's customer support, not management (I think) But I don't believe he will find out, or if he does, he will not tell me. So I open a ticket: Earlier today my account was disabled.
I believe andrew disabled it it as he was in chat immediately after when I created another account to finish my conversation.
I think anytime a player is banned an explanation should be given on exactly why they are banned and how long they will be banned for. This would reduce the need to create multiple accounts simply to communicate. Here's the rest of the ticket...  Why am I posting all this? Because it's a good example of Betcoin treating a player like shit. Obviously they hate me for trying to prevent them from getting away with so much BS and insist on playing this game where the things they say are the complete opposite of their actions. This time it's me, so it's easy to post, but they do it to lots of players. They do it because they think they can get away with it by throwing money broke players they see begging for money on their site or signature campaign grinders for saying good things about them and bad things about anyone who says otherwise. Whoever is behind Betcoin calling the shots in the end, if you're reading this, this is why your site has done nothing but tread water for 2 years. You could be averaging 300-800 players easily on a weeknight if you just owned your mistakes and didn't have a reputation of trying to buy a reputation. Update: Betcoin decided to use same strategy to explain my ban that they used to explain scammers suddenly having our email/login info, rake increasing and collecting for jackpot which didn't exist. Passive aggressive arrogance also maintained. |
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If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
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If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
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If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
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What does that has to do with anything? You trying to discredit me - But instead you should at least go play the damn games and see for yourself. Its not hard to do - logon go to betonpoker place some large bets on high percentage hands and see how the dealer will pull out the impossible to win. Its clear as day they are rigging the dog gone games.
I'm not here to prove the game is or isn't rigged, you are. I'm just telling you that when someone goes on rant about how they are so sure a game is rigged and they were cheated but can't articulate what actually happened other than "Images can be manipulate thru the feed. Its rigged I tell ya" , it's pretty safe to assume the reason they can't explain the issue is because it only exists in their own brain. |
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FortuneJack, There are some serious accusations in your main thread which you seem to be ignoring. Please Address them.
Users should consider that FortuneJack is refusing to address several important issues lately when deciding whether or not to promote them in their signature. Some of them explained in THIS POST and the rest in the same thread. Also, for some reason FJ is addressing old scam accusations which were ignored months ago as if they were made yesterday IN THIS THREAD |
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Their BETGAMES.TV live games are rigged. Especially LIVE Baccarat and BET ON POKER. All one has to do is make several bets of 20 mbtc or greater and they will see the dealer do the impossible. The live games are NOT legit and honest. Images can be manipulate thru the feed.
Live games can be rigged with several ways but faking the stream can never be done because there is always interaction of player to the dealer. Most of the times, dealers are trained to do some stuff that most people cant see, like faking cards or slipping it through their hands without letting players see it OP might need to answer this and prove their credibility since bitcasino already established their name, this allegation needed to answer directly and provide proofs that the issue is incorrect as of now i enjoyed playing their slots and Im not aware or affected of this live casino. I tell you what you do. Go play BET ON POKER for 20 mBTC and bet on mutiple outcomes and see if the dealer doesn't pullout the impossible wins. Its rigged I tell you. So there's a guy with a username of a different bitcoin casino, link in the signature as well, discrediting a competitor? Seems legit! Not another casino, even worse. It's scummy affiliate site owner proving he A)doesn't mind advertising sites he thinks are scams and B)Is unaware that when you run around crying rigged in a forum without any rational explanation or proof - you will only make a fool of yourself. From his own site:  |
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This is from the people that got Betcoin.ag user login/email early last January the same week that they announced a mandatory PW change for every single player. The same email described above was sent to an email address only ever used to register for Betcoin.ag today at 1:56 am EST with a phishing link leading through a russian site and landing on a similiar url as bitcasino with "bitcoindrugs" added. A couple weeks ago, they sent this email: It linked to a casino that looked exactly like Bitcasino, but was only a cashier with deposit address and an ad to download free vpn. Since January Betcoin.ag has been asked probably close to 100 times by various users how someone got their users login/email info. Their only response has been that they were not hacked. Here are some examples of other phishing attempts made by the same people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1379083.0 |
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Finally got a response about the user data being compromised in early Janurary from Betcoin staff.  Obviously the second and third paragraphs are Betcoins standard passive aggressive BS we've all heard. Pretty sure the claim that only 20% of players got the email is 100% bullshit and they will just ignore questions about it, but I try anyway....  And a classic statement from Jessica. (Keep in mind this was the first they have responded to the issue in 84 days.  |
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Finally got a response about the user data being compromised in early Janurary from Betcoin staff. Obviously the second and third paragraphs are Betcoins standard passive aggressive BS we've all heard. Pretty sure the claim that only 20% of players got the email is 100% bullshit and they will just ignore questions about it, but I try anyway.... And a classic statement from Jessica. (Keep in mind this was the first they have responded to the issue in 84 days.
TA16588 always crushing it!
Congrats on another sit and crush win!
Crazywack always crushing those post he gets paid Betcoin to make! Congrats on another BTC.0013 and another step closer to your 30 posts per month in the gambling section ! |
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still no resolution to my problem and no contact whatsoever
(TWO MONTHS LATER)Dear user, We have sent you the email and contacted you as soon as you wrote. Now, investigating the game takes time in order to provide you with quality answer. To our understanding, when a user has the issue they do not have to be aggressive and should adhere to ethics of mail communication. As soon as we investigated your case we gave you this response on Feb 15: We have checked on your game in our system and ID 4407961462 of your played game in BJ has the open status dated 05/02/2016 14:38:10. The "open" status is due to disconnection of the you from the game.The reason for that could be either you left the game on purpose, or were disconnected due to network difficulties on your end. As for the supposed WN ... you can log back into the game and finish the hand any time, afterward the status of the hand will change to close.Please, prior to posting wrong accusations read the mail we sent and please try to post a rational assessment of this case. Thank you and have a good day. I'd be curious to see how much time the signature campaign members defending FJ in this thread actually spend playing on fortune jack (other than in the poker freerolls) They probably didn't even realize FJ just bumped a thread that died 2 months ago. FJ probably didn't either. Posts like these are wrong on many levels. Well I thought they should deal with my problem in a timely manner
You are not the only customer that play on the site for sure and they got hundreds of customer that might send them other support email as well so they are taking some time to fix the other issue since yours isnt really important. I could split whatever card I got in the blackjack so Im not really sure why you cant do thatstill havent offered me nothing apart from air.
I can totally tell that you are just making this a big fuss because you want something or atleast compensation because you lost the game. From the way you write this all up, this is just too dramatic and most people can here vouch that it would not take 8-9 working days for the fortunejack support to reply an email from player |
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Also dooglus pulled one of the biggest scams in btc history with the justdice fiasco. So LOL at being a "top trusted member"
What's that meant to mean? I don't think anyone ever accused me of pulling a scam with just-dice before. I was entrusted with 60 million dollars worth of BTC while running just-dice and ended up returning it all to its owners. I was pretty trusted before running just-dice, but demonstrating that I could be trusted with 60 million dollars worth of BTC certainly didn't damage my reputation. Remember that one time that money was "scammed" and cashed out from your hot wallet without review and then you stole it from your investors? Maybe that's the scam I'm talking about. If I remember right it was 6 figures of btc. I was an investor and I did not get a dime back. But good fairy tale story therr dooglus... Link? |
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Sites need to be held accountable for their actions, so I'm going to open scam accusation thread if FJ doesn't address video contest and poker room policies soon (when I get around to it). And no, "We are working on the situation" doesn't count anymore.
If someone else wants to make thread, please feel free.
Also if anyone has any info not already posted on video contest please share. I only know whats been said recently.
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Like if you stay in position, that it will be most likely heads ups (dealer, SB position), then with most cards it should be all in. Chances that he will have some nuts in his hands is very unlikely and even if he has, then its just bad beat and you can do nothing about it. Sorry anyways, but I guess you didnt enjoy it aswell, even tho you won some more bits.
With a big stack on the bubble, it can be a very solid strategy to avoid busting the very short stack and intentionally stay on the bubble for as long as possible. Attack the mid-stacks who are just trying to cash, they will give up their chips much easier on the bubble than in the money. As long as all your decisions are in your best interest only, there's nothing unethical about it. Although you will get called a cheater often. Who cares. |
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Hello everyone, I would love to thank you again for the great time here with you and with Betcoin.ag Signature Campaign. Our Participants are clearly amazing, skilled and quality posters - thank you again for your time!  Is there a correlation between a members rank and the skill level/quality of poster they are? I thought it was determined only by time and quantity of posts. Am I missing something? How is post quality measured? Good call dropping ftwbtc1 though, him and at least some of his alts finally gave up it seems. |
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