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641  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Noob Q: Can bitcoin be turned into POS? on: March 28, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
Hi guys.
Plz don't kill me for asking.

I see a lot of hype around alt-coins.
When asked, many will point out POS as a plus vs bitcoin.

I was wondering:

1. Can Bitcoin change to POS if wanted to by the community?
2. Is POS really an advantage (if it is - is it an advantage because it saves energy, or because it diffuses power)?

Thank you!

Pow is much fair distribution system over POS
642  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 11:28:06 PM
no update yet but price keep rising.  Huh


dude, new people pouring into this project daily. Got a bit attention through articles and youtube videos the last weeks

Cheesy yea fucking sure... man this is insiders game they new something that you don't + add too all now are BTC laving big coins DASH/XMR to play PnD on other fields ICN is quite good IMO, platform will be soon ready they go in position now.
pump to 100k -130k is available now i see it coming. last time 50k was nuked in seconds.

PS: So much free money are in system thanks to DASH Smiley THANK YOU DASH this pump will be sponsored by DASH LTD
643  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Am I missing something or is BTU at 45% of the network hash on: March 27, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
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Non mining nodes aren't that important.  They help propagate and relay and that's about it.
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With current state of centralized mining (China monopolized market mostly) nodes are gate keepers of OLD rules.
If you let nodes die via too big blocks it will and that node will have only miners and maybe exchanges.
Here you stand at brick of miners hegemony.Node ar like watchman on duty.
System needs to check and balance.
644  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 26, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
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ICN is very close to the characteristics of shares. The big exchanges like Polo tread carefully when it comes to instruments that are share-like as it attracts the regulation of traditional exchanges and requires careful maneuvering. Lesser exchanges that do not care too much about US regulations will list it more easily.

BS every exchange is same here crypto is unregulated and even exchange list it like it was with DAO no one give a fuck to US government.
Even SEC wrote that they can not do anything to crypto companies because this is unregulated area.
645  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: (JWL) JEWELS 🔷 HEROES LAUNCHED 🔷 1ST JWL USE CASE 🔷 TRADING ON BITTREX on: March 26, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
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I hope he is super busy on development and testing of the beta release for the first gambling game he states last update that he postpone his responses. Anyway I will share details once I have it.

Thank you for some information maybe he should share with you mobile phone to answer some questions.
Looking at price many people are sharing hope i think.
Will see
646  Economy / Speculation / Re: Have you heard Roger Ver? on: March 26, 2017, 01:53:56 PM
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I'm more worried about BU failing because there's so many people who are clueless that think BU is the evil one here. But it's exactly the opposite.

but BU will lead to one China datacenter at end to meet BU Visa aspirations:D
647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 26, 2017, 01:30:49 PM
This is like one of the shittiest assets ever

can't even pump properly.

 Roll Eyes

Freaking idiots... you would have said the same about Ethereum before it broke out. This isn't a pump and dump coin, go run along and play with your little toys elsewhere and leave the real projects to the adults.

don't be angry . Small fishes are swimming in pool and eating cheap good ICNs.
ICN is not over-hyped and over-pumped so this is still good investment.
If for someone is to late for ETH maybe he should try ETH "miner" ICN
Kraken is good exchange no PnD
648  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] Possible scaling compromise: BIP 141 + BIP 102 (Segwit + 2MB) on: March 25, 2017, 10:02:34 PM
Is this https://blockchain.info/blocks a good place to watch the block sizes?  If so then it appears to me that very few blocks are less than full.

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458857 (Główny Łańcuch)    2017-03-25 08:51:17    AntPool    000000000000000001cca23f26bb64ec76b8574e4db788c88678f54258d0b700    408.94KB

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458854 (Główny Łańcuch)    2017-03-25 08:42:47    AntPool    0000000000000000012f2e70de74a048c9e25cf761e3189f02199b74c73c7576    0.26

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458831 (Główny Łańcuch)    2017-03-25 04:36:52    F2Pool    0000000000000000012630565edd760acd7d41e92fd760b158438fcc54096072    0.27KB

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458819 (Główny Łańcuch)    2017-03-25 01:11:29    AntPool    00000000000000000003a4389f5fe3ec7dd264d3ac1499f6fe5564688c4b80c5    130.14KB

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458926 (Główny Łańcuch)    2017-03-25 20:40:18    AntPool    000000000000000001abc043a7267ef220d273c095dacc4eaa25d37bed1c4882    681.72KB

AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks HAHAHAHAHA fuck them those china miners cartel
they need BIGGER BLOCKS ? Why ? They can't even mine constant 1MB....
649  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 25, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
says falling shows 1 minute chart  Grin

Cheesy yea 1m = 1 minute = 1 month = 1 millennium ... choose what you like Wink

OP is an uneducated baboon, similar to jonald_fyookball. These people have become so desperate that they've started spamming the board with threads and complaints.

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Or maybe BU is just response to NO REACTION to pure facts that BTC sucked at some point and lost currency attributes with fees like 1$ in march.
650  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miner cartel, Bankster cartel, or an altcoin? Your choice? on: March 25, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
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So it is not that the Bitcoin whales subjectively desire our non-whale transactions to be off chain. They objectively have no choice, because of the technical design of Satoshi's PoW.
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You can think about it like about big conspiracy but real life can get you on ground.
Yes we stand today at wall we choose scalability solution even there is demand for those transactions it will be capped at current design.
BTC @price like 600$ was that when people were able to buy BTC and transact and build/run applications on BTC (like counter party)
https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees
https://blockchain.info/pl/charts/n-transactions
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#charts

So for me BTC was at balance 10.2016 price BTC 600$ and average fee 0.15$ 220 000tx/day
BTC was out of balance 03.2017 @1200 and fee 1$ 300 000tx/day cap reached.
So balance that allow you to rise is like:
1MB - 600$/BTC - 220 000tx/day - 70% blocksize > 0,1 MB internet connection + 37 GB/year
If you want rise in BTC price you need:
10MB - 6 000$/BTC- 2 200 000tx/day - 70% blocksize > 1MB internet connection + 370 GB/year
100MB - 60 000$/BTC- 22 000 000tx/day - 70% blocksize > 10MB internet connection+ 3 700 GB/year
1000MB - 600 000$/BTC- 220 000 000tx/day - 70% blocksize > 100MB internet connection+ 37 000 GB/year
Visa have 2000tx/s so   172 800 000tx/day

Those are HARD data you cannot go over them. To me goal that want BTC-U achive is FUKING JOKE this is not do able in decentralized system, those miners aim to be "Visa" even if it will be possible BTC won't no longer decentralized who will be able to handle that chain ?
BTU system is utopia but users doesn't have resources to adapt. BTC-U won't be p2p but user2datacenter.
Data-centers can be shutdown can be regulated can be DDOSed. Governments can go to those datacenters and force them to move into any fork they want.

Segwit will push fee price into heaven over time, but to make BTC cheaper you will have to use decentralized 2nd layer solutions.
2nd layer solution is just pure need and can not be bypass for me.
There is scenario when we have that would be coin with no blockchain.
But this is not BTC patch.


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Btw, to profit on the upcoming scenario such that you can sell the fake Bitcoin asap before its price collapses, you might think that you will need to have your BTC in a wallet (not on an exchange) and then you will need to spend your Bitcoin for an altcoin or fiat making sure your transaction fee is small enough that it only goes into a large block. Then later you will need to join together with other Bitcoin holders to issue a joint transaction with a high enough transaction fee to make it into a 1MB block.
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Depend bro who is really behind that fork miners ? or China government ? If miners have China government support they can buy all those cheap BTC-U and pump it then sell that product as China digital currency. China government is not that stupid they will allow it to rise and they will point guns at central miners to make some changes in few years when people won't be able move away from BTC-U.

If behind BTC-C is US government (fraction reserve is their old school trik ) while behind BTC-U will stand China government it will be interesting battle. You can not say in 100% accuracy that BTC-U will be worth shit - China central bank can buy your dump.
If Chinise were planning such attack then we will see that in price.
651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 86% segwit support from users on: March 25, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
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Are you sure SW stuff is really better? Why is not even Litecoin live with it?
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Litecoin mining is controled in 80% by some chinise miner/company related to BTC.
So if tat company decide to not add segwit it can not happened.

https://litecointalk.io/t/call-to-all-f2pool-miners-please-switch/874

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This is true and for other major Chinese pools.
10 people from China - control more than 80% of the network hashrate.

So same people mine BTC/LTC and stop segwit Smiley China..
Sadly answer to China say FUCK OFF is investing in ETH...
(what a ridiculous ending)
652  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 25, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
You guys ruined it all.  Bitcoin is now fucked and getting more fucked everyday.  I think the end in near.

Chart is showing core market value of CORE innovation/progress vs altcoins.
You can allso see that as CORE progress VS alt-coins IMO.
This chart is falling hard and HF can makes new lows.
I think that market is usually give a fair price of items:




653  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hey guys do real BTC is starting falling apart ? on: March 25, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
*** Bitcoin will not fall apart just like that because a copy cat coin has arrived, trust me, it is just temporary.
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Before we know it, bitcoins price will skyrocket again because this Hard Fork thingy will vanish, and like the usual, bitcoin will remain the highest coin amongst all the coins here in the crypto world.

without sollution to main problem that mean scalling it will look more like that:



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Before we know it, bitcoins price will skyrocket again because this Hard Fork thingy will vanish, and like the usual, bitcoin will remain the highest coin amongst all the coins here in the crypto world.
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Consider scenario that BTC split into BTC-C and BTC-U (all each side call itself bitcoin)
Now both sides have about fuel and money to attack:
-BTC-U spamm atack BTC chain and  stcuk for long. Since many of those BTC-U don't care about BTC-C will use it coin ass amunition to attack
-BTC-C is doing the same
NOW BEST

-according to bitfnex BTC-U/BTC-C is 0.3/0.7 BTC so we can thing that average of 0.3 BTC current market cap will be put into alts.
Since sides hate each other they will dump BTC-C BTC-U for fiat and alts mostly Etherum.

Etherum should swing like 2x after this happened and have market cap like ( BTC-C+BTC-U ) = ETH

Do you think that in this scenario will reverse ? Yes it can when some bugs in ETH will blow up market cap and exploits IF code will fuck up/hacked real BIG business will surfer . Without any big problems ETH will dominant crypto scene and Bitcoin network effect will be OVER.

And we will face real free market fight price/speed/stability.
If Etherum will be faster ( already is ) , if Etherum will be cheaper ( already is ),etherum have some stability
without changes to protocol or segwit BTC will be off race.
654  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Hey guys do real BTC is starting falling apart ? on: March 24, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
It would be nothing new to me coins comes and go but...
We ate at 68% market cap mainly with rising ETH.
At 1st i was thinking ech just a pump and dump.
But reading news i just see that more and more business is moving away from bitcoin.
Counterparty guys , people from brave browser... Some projects that used to use BTC is switching to ETH mostly. Same time 2years about scaling debate in BTC nothing really changes.
If BTC will stay in that state in 3more months it will loose really hard market cap.
Network effect is pushing towards alts and if ETH will able to handle that and scale BTC will be done.
This is not 2015y that most coins PnD... Eth is building real cool stuff arround, call me and idiot but this is really happening. Eth is delivering that what BTC suppose to do.
655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CORE vs UNLIMITED on: March 23, 2017, 11:27:15 PM
i think unlimited has at least 50% hashrate but they're keeping it a secret. if they fork they're going to take a significant portion of the hashrate with them. core and unlimited supporters will both start dumping their coins on the opposing chain and core will go nuclear with a UASF and PoW change. in the end core will win and further centralization will be halted, but the price will be hit very hard.

Do you imagine that Roger Ver dumping his BTC into alts ?
I see EPIC pumps in alts if fork will happen like ETH x2 Dash x5 Monero x7 Cheesy...
Shitcoins will fly over roof man
656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: ☘☘☘☘️☘️ [BOUNTY] [ICO] EDGELESS CASINO - 0% Edge & Full Transparency☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ on: March 23, 2017, 11:20:56 PM
Cannot waiting EDGELESS distributions and listed on exchange

A bounty hunter who cant wait to dump?  Grin

rather for entertainment how token grows Smiley
657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: March 23, 2017, 11:17:59 PM
No decisions on the Silver Coin Fund have been made, and probably won't be for a while.  

1) money to fund the project isn't a problem. NEM has more than enough liquidity and marketcap.
2) the problem is time and resources to run the project.  it is actually quite an endeavor.  the marketing team is instead trying to build projects on NEM that will make it a lot more famous, so those take priority for the time being. at some point we might have more human resources and can assign a team to run this project, but right now the teams are focused on other things that we consider a higher priority, like refining marketing message, website, and partnerships.
3) if the money for some reason isn't used to fund silver coins, it would go towards some other social program to help the community, like maybe Supernodes or Community Fund. at no point would it be used for a tip for the NEM team, nor the community as a direct payout.  

As an original stake holder I would prefer these funds go into the supernode fund myself.

Create those silvercoins 10 unces for holders is not that bad idea rest funds can stay in nem supers-nodes for me.
Supernodes are very good way to spread XEM on market.
Silver is very cheap metal now.
658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 23, 2017, 11:06:29 PM
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1st wave is for Bitcoin
2nd wave is for top 2-10 alts
3rd wave is for top 3-30 alts
4th shitcoin fest Cheesy... random PnD on copy cats of top alts Smiley
then we go to some  bear market in alts that was usualy but today...

Today when BTC for will happen BTC and BTC-U will dump other coin shares.
10% will go to stuck other chain transactions but 90% will flow to alts ETH/Monero/Dash those coins can get kick up like 4x more.
ICN can allso get nice kick like 10x when old bitcoiners will be dumping alt chains to alts that will be massive re-balancing.
Imagine Roger Ver dumping his 100 000BTC into alts what that will do to scene.
THat will be BTC HYPER INFLATION.
This is quite interesting scenario.
If i were old bitcoiner i would all old BTC put into best  alts from top 5-30
659  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC vs BTU on: March 23, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
Except for node bandwidth, memory and disk space, HF chaos, market dumping, etc, what could possibly go wrong??

Let's call it BTFU.

BTC
- sewgwit // pack transactions making effectively from 1MB equal of 2MB
-Sewit fix malebility bug that is stoping many development fot BTC
-core - in 10 years you will be albe to download full blockchain like 250GB and validate your transaction alone
-segwit allows to use LN special channels taht are ultra fast in transfers low amounts so you won't ever border with 10min block at shop

BTU
- unlimited blocks so to keep with price per transaction like 0,2$ you need bigger block every 10x jump
like
1MB 1000USD/BTC = fee 0.2$
10MB 10 000USD/BTC = fee 0.2$
100MB 100 000USD/BTC = fee 0.2$0
- BTU won't fix malleability bug in BTC code they call it feature:D
- as clinet of BTU you will lost in 10 years ability to validate transactions you will have to use some datacenters that can handle like 100TB of data, regular user won't ever have control at this point. If those central DB will migrate to altchain you can do SHIT about it.
If miners decide to fork and move change like lift BTC hard limit you can do shit about it becouse those centers will carry transactions.
-btc lost goverment resistance
This is a biggest reason to avoid BTU
660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: (JWL) JEWELS 🔷 HEROES LAUNCHED 🔷 1ST JWL USE CASE 🔷 TRADING ON BITTREX on: March 22, 2017, 05:36:35 PM
Today is march 22 so we are looking for updates last was march 8 so +14 = 22march we should have development update now.
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