But 1st it needs an active dev but it suppose to not have one.
But i would see nija jump in here with some extra stuff and jump in volume then see that FOMO
of people here

Not realy look from perspective many people were jumping on fresh ship and wanted more multiply their investment as all investments have thier cap and BLK had it at about 20m $ market cap pump was huge but like after any other pump comes dump time, and pump squads move to another 3digs coin.
Developing took resources and time many people wanted price gain but with bear market at crypto this is really hard task and at end rat4 and david were the only one who were making coin progess. BLK future is more bright than most ICOs why ?
ICOs mostly depends of founds if those founds are dry without marketing plan all fall apart and ICO price is falling while cost of minning BLK was about 1000-3000sat so BLK is still on +% in value and wide speard coin.
You don't know that some day will come here big whale who bought 10% of BLK he will help add blasting feature and coin goes up 20x after people will be bored with ICO "retro" coins can be in trend.

iconicexpert  and dramas like bitbay will be always around because all want more profit turn into real cash but people mostly want high gains and that only motivates them to buying coin not thing like fight with NWO or for better clean future (no need cut frees for printing fiat)
I belive that BLK will have their pump some day just because they chart is flat fro long time one quite big annoucment it goes 5-6x up ...
BLK have really good coin distribution over world. And with its flat pattern it can be easy pumped for just some fun to do it.

Honestly with ICOs most of them will be real crap over time like projects with one time to sell with profit and abandoned when money are dryed.
ICO provided will just jump to create new coin and to be paid again with profit.
As you see that is a difference between ICO or coins like BLK which till it have community till it lives

I guess all agreed that realising ICO founds according to milestones i see only those one:
This is not 700 BTC you wish but what we can do of it ?

Term 2 – Development

-   Extensive White paper and wiki about our new programming language on Github.
-   New wallet, focus on easy to use for everyone and mass market adoption.
-   Alias System.
-   Decentralized debit cards.
-   Light client
-   Implement trusted system and market core .
-   Support for assets-contracts via colored coins.
-   Smart Contracts. New programming language based on OCaml.
-   Private Chains.
-   Decentralized voting, messaging & mailing system.
-   Crowdfunding platform.
-   At this point, we want to focus on the speed and scalability of our platform.

Can you tell us what can you develop having 150 BTC and payed after reach milestones?
And 1st phase ICO what you can deliver with 65 BTC ?

PS: Opair without "debit cards" would be new junk coin that's my 2  cents.

That was probably that 13 BTC which wasserman forwarded to escrow adress so in vote power its just 20% of all.
So btt people were sending directly to escrow that was about 65BTC i was checking last minutes.

And those guys who were sending to escrow then escrow will forward back that BTC to wasserman
becouse wasserman owns that address.

If that is all about crypto that would be interesting but nowdays we at edge with financial systems ICONOMI can be success story but also epic fail if their company will be connected with failing bank then all people investments will go to air with bank.
Most reason for me in crypto is to go out of bank if it possible gold silver BTC so there is possibility that even BTC and all crypto will go up
ICOMI will fall with some bank - with good economy i would not afraid but we are at thick ice guys.

There is never something like "safe" investment and ICOMI is quite good project and original one of course it looks like ponzi but
in ponzi all 1st movers wins for sure rest not really just for speculation is worth to give it shot .
If ICOMI will use good bank it can go 100x easy when banking system will start collapsing and it can be good window of opportunity.

Once per ~2h i have 0.5 Jewels so looks good ^^

From my perspective all looks like show from DEVs who want as much money they can without any real work
,once BTC they got then they disappear. Ghost devs behavior is really fishy and puts me in concern that is a classic scam.
For future investors devs where they refuse to work are big red flag also paying bounties like translations and signatures are out of question.
Most honest people pay for work their workers after work is done there is no needed condition besides you need your work to be done.
What is a difference if you pay 7BTC from 1st or 2nd phase ICO ?
If you are worry that 2nd phase investors are risk free that is fine
but that is a reason of those guys that they use escrow to be risk free
that devs will take money and go away never delivering something.

I would divide costs of exchange listing 50%/50% that 4BTC it costs after delivering but not 30BTC.
After delivering working beta wallet 50% after credit cards rest.
We were paying for such features using escrow if we don't need them then escrow users can go bittres and chose random POS coin
while output will be the same.

The amount of black PR delivered by DEVs is enormous.
Without 2nd phase BTC project won't go probably anywhere
and credibility will be almost close  to 0.

I full agree with SJ that you need deliver something as DEV proof of work not only coin generator wallet putted on some exchange.

I belive they are on roead map there are ongoing high value work like catapult IMO that is most challenging one which should take Nem on next lvl of performance.
But that one can take some time like year IMO, probably in backgroud guys are working on deals and when it will be done then we will know.
Personally i like that ninja lunches usually coins that are overhyped before price final cause mega DUMP on release stuff date.

I know that waiting is not fun but so far i don't have anything to blame devs they are delivering high quality job and not over hype project.
In long run if nem blockcahain maintain top possition in blockchain technology we will go on next level of price as whole crypto.

And very good for crypto is many different technologies evolving all the time all people will find space for them.
I wont give you date sorry from my view it can take even year or two before that major technology comes out.

That started with Blackcoin i believe probably is because time in bits 2^6 = 64 that mean you use all 8 bits in time counter, it can be used for
less space for block chain needed

All work for me
but i can get out last 0.9973 JWL i can live with that but every part is precious.

And even that ICO founds from 1st phase will hit market some people live in delusion that those ICO coins will be skyrocketing while devs are doing
0 job and refusing pay for marketing campagain while they can.
DEVs are making black PR to whole project - many coins were delivering something before paymanet
honest devs don't cry too much they just develop i saw many of them and guess what ?

People were investing in such coins ICO because they knew that DEVs have to deliver to get paid and DEV have motivation to do it,
i also seen many coins that after basic wallet premine, instamine, dev founds landed on market to dump price.

Whole point of escrow is to get product for what you have been paying without expose to being scammed, devs agreed to have escrow they agreed to deliver something,
according to road map this is white paper and beta wallet cost of some basic wallet is 0.2 BTC and listing is even free on some exchanges.


woot ?

But 1st stage people can DUMP before 2nd stage guys will come to party, they can dump so hard that they will have less than ICO price(seeing realty shitty wallet).
1st stage people have 1st opportunity to get out before 2nd stage people will have chance to dump.
If DEVs deliver poor beta wallet 2nd stage people are in ass, escrow have to release founds while 1st stage people are dumping hard to 0000 sat.
Whole point of escrow was to protect people from scamming devs that mean taking money away releasing 0.1BTC wallet to dump and vanishing...

I agree that is bad plan because we give away 26BTC for actions cots ~4BTC and no prof of developing something.
I don't mind any condition besides i want see some developing job.

And those who want release 30 BTC for 4BTC no brainier actions want just for exchange listing
they are probably 1st round guys wanted dump ASAP ...

If i were scammer i would seek any easy solution to get as much money i can before vanish and making no developing
(because developing acc are fake )

Just prove us that you can lead project by developing something.

And as i said before 33 000$ is enough for 2 people deliver something.

Jak macie lub widzicie jakieś  projekty  warte uwagi podzielcie się informacją.
Oczywiście najbardziej cenione będą podpowiedzi o czymś co znalazło się na tapecie.
Jeśli będzie ruch w tym temacie postaram się troszkę segregować ten post i dawać na 1szą stronę to co wygląda najlepiej.


Moja ostatnia strategia jest taka.
Zbyt wiele ICO i IPO było zwykłymi oszustwami dlatego pomyślałem że kasa czy udziały z sygnaturek to nie jest wcale taki zły pomysł
na początek. Daje to możliwość udziału w projekcie przy 0rowym nakładzie. Polecam.

Projekty które dają najlepsze zwroty:
-unikalne projekty NXT,ETH,XMR (ale to już było dziś bym nie polecał w to wchodzić)
-jacyś znani deweloperzy z renomą
-projekty które wdrażają jakieś długoterminowe działania, budowanie systemu itp
ich cena spada powoli ale jeśli developerzy pracują to po finalnej wersji będzie prawdopodobnie
można sprzedać z zyskiem działa w 80%.
 

PS: Moja sygnatutka jest tylko po to bo coś dostanę za jej noszenie - nie sugerujcie  sie

Kolega szafa zapodał ciekawe ICO niewielu ludzi jest zapisanych na dziś a trzeba klepnąc 30ci postów:)..
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1630226.0

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Jewels - ciekawy projekt cena ICO 1900 Moneta na ~300k$ gdzies 150 miejsce coin marketcap
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545327.0
Wrzuciłem w ICO 0.5BTC potem dokupiłem.
Gry się sprzedają i będą sprzedawać osobiście liczę tak za dwa lata na 20x pompkę.
-dev znany w społeczności gry, dużo pracujem, często coś klepnie na bttalk, daje wywiady w jakims radyjku
-najwieksza pompma bedzie za dwa lata przed wejściem jego gry czyli projekt długo terminowy
Rozpoznajcie temat wcześniej nie pisałem bo wolumen byl mały i nie wiedziałem jak to będzie dziś to wygląda ciekawie.
- zainwestowałem więc mój hype dzielcie przez 2
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Decent jak koledzy wspominają może być ciekawe ale moje osobiste i nie tylko moje wrażenia są takie że goście
leja temat. Bittalk sygnaturki od dwóch tygodni nie odświeżone, gości co do supportu pisali olano.
dowodzik https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cy9G8A1eFv9UI1oJXd9ZNDqscEf9soaTuDzH6_nfBvQ/edit#gid=542729129
Dlatego przed inwestycją radzę lepiej rozeznać temat - czy ktoś nie podpuszcza tu.
Ale deweloperzy mogą też lać temat bo kodują - ale niesmak pozostaje.

I agree with that and be honest 33 000$ for beginning is not bad at all.
That pressure to get that 7BTC from escrow looks like someone want get them and vanish.
Do really that 7 BTC mean that much ? I don't buy that.
Devs can you make that beta wallet in 2 weeks like you wrote - all can wait and see work putted in.
If someone just BS that he doesn't have time bla bla ... but we work full time on opair it looks just "bad".

Escrow is doing good waiting for DEVs progress and this is fair.

woot ? while in main thread is:

"We estimate that we will have the first public Beta two weeks after we finish distributing the ICO"

I don't want wallet-qt from any alt coin creator for 0.1BTC and give those guys 40% of escrow money.
7 BTC of bounties can be paid from 65BTC from 1st page there is no problem in that.
33 000$ is anogth to bring some beta wallet to prove that devs are real devs and this is not puppet show.

If they deliver price will sky-rocket if they don't that will be another failed scam.

Bitshares allways have huge pump and and poor output. i have invested in their AGS it should bring few things Music Vote... and othe BTS companies and nothing happened i remember BTS then PTS then BTSX then my AGS... and now PEERPLAYS.
I feel that like with one fully dedicated guy like jewel dev we can go more than them Bitshares are moeny sink ideas with poor output.
That whole marketing arround costs more than market value of work

What is problem with that since they have 65BTC from 1st stage not under escrow founds they can use it as they want.
Even pay those 7BTC bounties that still will be 58*580=33 640 $ in hand without escrow. O.o

And Devs were "working" on wallet, we had some pictures of it...
No one wants from you full debic card now but see that you are real devs.
Buying basic wallet is cost between 0.1-0.5 BTC on market that proves nothing.
you can take 9% of POW as development found not much people will cry about it
since project rised less money than intended.

Yes but realese is about i hope that "beta version" which screens they were giving.
If they want just release as wallet it costs 0.1 - 0.5 BTC for making one ?

http://www.coincreationservice.com they can use stuff like that and create random coppy from coin like Blackcoin,
that won't be any success will be when they release their orginal beta wallet.
At 1st he can realease hmm 10% ?

"We estimate that we will have the first public Beta two weeks after we finish distributing the ICO and the first steady version two months after the ICO."
On list was many things like even credit cards smart contracts... I don't want it at beginning but i want stable beta version to prove that devs can deliver.
I don't mind if they take 10%-20% of all coins for development founds, becouse they will motivation to work harder to bring succes.


All depend if they start deliverng any coin dev can dump and run away it happends to top coins same way like here can be done.
Without escrow i would never have invest into that coin.

PS: Devs have from 1st phase 65BTC to work arround so i don't get why they need 85BTC more .
Maybe just is better to live with 85BTC in hand, than in escrow without concer in future.