Understandable. The forum should change this so it shows red trust on scammers at least without being logged in ... Sorry!  Absolutely! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100111.0Ooops, didn't see previous post but will leave this just to double down.  |
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Took a chance and purchased a $98.50 card. I sent first and codes were received within minutes. Checked and verified amount with Verizon and all is good. Note that VERIZON WIRELESS will not accept payment from a gift card if account has $zero$ balance so I have to wait until Feb 1 to actually use the card but their system did confirm the balance as you can see from screen print. I reserve "full vouch" until Feb 1. |
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If a person is willing to trade on bitcointalk and would like to deal safely here should first create an account and understand how the trust works otherwise just a simple warning could work "Before trading with anyone please create a Bitcointalk account and check the feedbacks first" would be a good warning to all the users surfing without creating account.
+1 and exactly as I suggested a couple times in this thread. I'm sure a "seen only by non-registered users rule" banner message could be created and put on as a banner message ESPECIALLY in the areas that involve sales of anything. |
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Is there really anything you can do for them?
The trust ratings already exist, it's just a matter of showing them and more information is better in this context. It almost sounds negligent to have potentially important information and keep it hidden. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WHAT S/HE SAID! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly what I have been trying to say but in many less words! |
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Are the people who find an unfamiliar site, and then buy things using a non refundable payment method from a stranger not also the same people who would already be broke due to Nigerian prince email scams?
I'm sort of neutral on the subject matter so I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but it seems like if someone is, we'll say gullible, to the point where they are willing to trade with someone here before signing up and learning how things work. Is there really anything you can do for them? I'm totally not against putting in safety nets for people who may be able to benefit from using them, but at a certain extent, I argue that its not worth putting in the effort, because its either going to be the Hot Russian Model that needs a plane ticket to come visit you, or the sketchy guy with autobuy links.
On your first question, I firmly believe the answer is absolutely NO. People starting out in the BTC world are often in a totally strange new world but are way above the gullibility of the Nigerian email scam folks. On your next comment I mostly agree but I have always believed that if it isn't a major undertaking some effort could be made to offer some modicum of protection to those who fall into this place. Generally speaking, many forums actually tag scammers as scammers and delete their threads while it isn't 100% effective it is better than ignoring them and becoming the "go to" place to run a scam in some cases for months or years without any kind of sanction. |
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Merit is the same for everyone. Trust isn’t due to trust lists. That’s why one is shown and the othet isn’t. If a user doesn’t know how trust works (he is jus someone passing by the forum and doesn’t have an account), he surely doesn’t know what merit is. So, it doens’t matter. My point is seeing the word "MERIT" which is generally defined and understood by the vast majority of people as being "good" (see def below) when showing on a scammers name as shown above without the bad trust makes one think the person is worthy of TRUST (not forum trust but personal trust) when they are not. When not logged in a scammer can be made to look like they are good by seemingly been given "merit" by someone or some thing on the forum. My point was either both or none should be visible to anyone not logged in. The definition of MERIT is: The quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward. Deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention). synonyms: excellence, goodness, standard, quality, level, grade, high quality, caliber, worth, good, credit, eminence, worthiness, value, virtue, distinction, account, deservingness, meritoriousness, deserve, earn, be deserving of, warrant, rate, justify, be worthy of, be worth, be entitled to, have a right to, have a claim to/on, be qualified for https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&q=define+merit |
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I agree but the thing is new users who end up here from for ex. Google searches don't know that is the case so maybe a banner that ONLY SHOWS to unregistered forum viewers that says something like:
"SIGN UP FOR A FREE ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEE USERS TRUST RATINGS. BE SAFE AND DON'T SEND ANYONE BTC WITHOUT THIS FREE BENEFIT"
That would avoid having to show the trust ratings plus maybe get more registered users.
If we are dealing with the lower end of the intelligence scale, a warning should be of consequence, not of proper procedure. How about: " DO NOT EXPRESS GULLIBILITY (SUCH AS RELIGION) OR YOU WILL BE TARGETED BY SCAMMERS AND LOSE YOUR COINS" LOL I'm trying to be part of the SOLUTION and not the problem. What's even stranger is that I just noticed MERIT does appear when NOT logged in but TRUST (or lack of same) DOES NOT. So when you get a user like this that has purchased (or hacked) an account the appearance is really wrong. At least don't show BOTH MERIT AND TRUST! (Redactions to not really protect the not very innocent)   |
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I agree that viewing trust when not logged in could be beneficial. I see the other side of the coin also. Users should be discouraged from using multiple accounts any way possible in my opinion. This means annoying captchas and losing benefits when not logged in.
Viewing bitcointalk.org trust is a privilege, not a right (currently). If people want the privilege of viewing trust, all they have to do is sign up for a free account. Seems reasonable.
I agree but the thing is new users who end up here from for ex. Google searches don't know that is the case so maybe a banner that ONLY SHOWS to unregistered forum viewers that says something like:
"SIGN UP FOR A FREE ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEE USERS TRUST RATINGS. BE SAFE AND DON'T SEND ANYONE BTC WITHOUT THIS FREE BENEFIT"That would avoid having to show the trust ratings plus maybe get more registered users. |
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Yes, but many of these people now invite you to discuss the trade offsite like at telegram or discord.
Exactly. They either use SELLY or one of those other "auto-buy" sites or send you to Telegram or whatever anyway. Especially as a Newbie communicating on here it is very slow due to posting limits. They are going to scam you whether or not you see the trust but why be part of the problem, why not try and lessen it? |
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Changeable decision. And I want to insist on my suggestion regarding trust: guest should see some trust.
The main reason that I went for [the DT1 modification] rather than forcing custom lists is that I would like to show some trust indicator to guests. But before doing that, I want to see whether these modifications can actually be made to work. If not, then I may go to the force-custom-lists solution, and that's incompatible with guests seeing any trust indicators. Thanks, that sounds like something MAY be in the works (or not!). It's a shame how this lack of viewable rep is causing many unsuspecting fools to throw away their money. Maybe another possibility might be a "first logon warning" or better yet a banner in big red 20 point bold type in any of the for sale forums reminding people of the advantages of joining. |
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I know this has been discussed before but I think a newbie user who found this forum on a Google search needs to be able to see a users trust BEFORE creating an account. I'm not trying to convince anyone because the topic has been discussed but am curious to know if this is a system (application) limitation or a changeable decision by the owners/mods of this forum. Mainly referring to any sections where any item is put up for sale be it physical or digital.
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yup, along side with bolg1 , cpmzin , YoutubeTV and every other scumbag with a locked or self-moderated topic on the digital goods board. Yea, except Prince of Escams is another ALT of Skamtical One (and Lovehacked guy). |
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And you can add "Prince of Escams" to the cockroach list using same Telegram, virtually identical posts, ridiculous "self-vouching" from the same sockpuppets, same photos etc.as Skamtical One and Lovehacked and the Prince..  |
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Answer: Because you are low-life pond scum. A common worthless thief. A piece of trash. I spent a year seeing young people getting blown apart and then had to try to piece them back together and then I "see" the likes of you. Does that answer your question?
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The cockroaches are multiplying. There are now at least 3: 
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Selling Amazon Gift Cards at 20% Discount.
Example = $100 for $80.
Daily stock = 1-2k
Bulk Trade.
Payment method = Bitcoin
Skype = live:5f8481614690c199
ICQ = 745408511
Im selling a product (Gift Cards) so be prepared to pay for the product.
Even if you have a good rep on here you still need to pay for the product.
None of this 'I have a good rep so send gift card first' . Business does not work that way.
Serious traders contact me.
We can test small value cards low risk to build trust.
Thank you
LOL, looks like you forgot which ID you were logged in with. |
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That's why he should be banned. He's out there posting and finish for scams.
And there are probably a couple hundred others just like him. This forum doesn't moderate scams (or delete users that are so obvious like sellers with 30-40 negs over 1-2 years "business") so by that they are condoning it. This forum has a "rep" for just that and sadly it brings the scammers here. That being said, if you do your "due diligence" BEFORE buying you are a lot less likely to get scammed. Generally the "if it seems to good to be true" theory hold here. Sorry you lost your coin. Been there, done that. |
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Thanks. Great deal for an actual LEGIT card from a legit seller! Very strange seeing that here. Just ordered one. They sold over 16,000 already. |
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Translation for the educationally impaired of "FrenchFriedPotatoes" post (as requested by "The Prince" himself):He is a definite scammer got me for $220. @SkepticalOne is the go to for egift.
ABOUT A MONTH AGO I BOUGHT FROM SCAMMER SKEPTICAL ONE WHO IS ALSO SAME SCAMMER AS PRINCE OF EGIFTS. HUGE SHIT ON THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bought 2 gift cards from them and I sent btc first and he SCAMMED ME out of 25€ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIS POST SAID HE GIVES REFUNDS IF CARDS ARE BAD AND HE WAS LYING ! NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH BOTH THESE SCAMMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn how to speak English lol
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