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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 11, 2017, 05:50:00 PM
Who are the noobs that keep buying DASH at these levels?

People like Walter.


Hahaha - keep dreaming.... I bought many masternodes at < $2 a dash. My posting history is there for all to see.

Nice try ignorant troller Wink

Walter

Wasn't referring to WHEN you or anyone else bought (or is buying).

Was referring to your common sense and basic logical reasoning. For example, you still haven't figured out that you could realize 40 years worth of masternode revenue buy selling now. Most would agree that the decision not to take windfall profits like that is an emotional one that sooner or later ends up bad.

Again, I would say most are like you: emotional investors speculators gamblers who like the thrill of gambling and have no idea what they're getting into. If that weren't true, you'd have sold at 60 (or you'd be glued to your screen right now watching closely for the coming reversal . . . but that takes expertise . . . don't get cute and just take your 40 years' profits now while you can).



You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's ok though.

Walter

P.S. If I sold now I'd be 'realising' approx. 7.2 years of masternode revenue, based on an approx. 10% yield. Why not just hold and have twice as many masternodes in 7.2 years?


Yo, Walter, $1,000 componded at 10% per annum turns into $60,240.07 in exactly 43 years.

You don't even need a special calculator. Just google it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=compound+interest+calculator

(Since you bought at 2, it will only take you 36 years to get to $61,825.36.)

Now that was tough.

... what was I saying about your kind of "investing"?
742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 11, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
Who are the noobs that keep buying DASH at these levels?

People like Walter.


Hahaha - keep dreaming.... I bought many masternodes at < $2 a dash. My posting history is there for all to see.

Nice try ignorant troller Wink

Walter

Wasn't referring to WHEN you or anyone else bought (or is buying).

Was referring to your common sense and basic logical reasoning. For example, you still haven't figured out that you could realize 40 years worth of masternode revenue buy selling now. Most would agree that the decision not to take windfall profits like that is an emotional one that sooner or later ends up bad.

Again, I would say most are like you: emotional investors speculators gamblers who like the thrill of gambling and have no idea what they're getting into. If that weren't true, you'd have sold at 60 (or you'd be glued to your screen right now watching closely for the coming reversal . . . but that takes expertise . . . don't get cute and just take your 40 years' profits now while you can).

743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 11, 2017, 12:46:43 PM
Who are the noobs that keep buying DASH at these levels?

People like Walter.
744  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: March 10, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
Check Jared's latest vid out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDg0t5LBdC0

Well worth the watch. Nice to see everything successfully maturing while staying true to the underlying principles of the UTXO set. (That's clearly one of the keys for long term success IMHO.)

Marketing will come later, or so they continue to say.  Undecided

I would start with concerted efforts to disseminate this type of youtube communication. 327 views looks more like fringe cult numbers than what one would expect of a widely distributed decentralized cryptocurrency of DigiByte's character. Wink


745  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DASH Masternodes - the perfect motive for the instamine on: March 06, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Ok lets play along.. What about ETH's ICO then day one buy up game ?
How much did the official ETH team members get again ?

How about you all claim "Dev's deserve to be paid" condoning pretty much ANY method to do it.. genius tax anyone ?

Holy hell the instamine is crime against humanity.. but ETHERUEM well, that shit's legit  Cheesy

You're all fucking hypocritical little idiots.

No hypocrisy. ETH is an equally scummy scam. They're both shit coins with extremely bad coding that are being hyped very nicely by snake oil vendors. ETH will probably do the best long term since the people partnering love programming with tonnes of holes in it so they can do what they want when they want without the end-user ever even knowing. Nonetheless, they’re both trash in so far as what a widely distributed decentralized cryptographic digital currency is supposed to be in theory.
746  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DASH Masternodes - the perfect motive for the instamine on: March 05, 2017, 10:33:45 AM
Can some one fill me in on why it's performing so well? It's pretty remarkable that in this BTC tear it paced perfectly in both USD/BTC.

There are around 2k new DASH coins daily.  
45% got miners. So the ones that keep DASH network secure.  PoW
45% get those who instamined first day with their Masternodes. PoS
10% goes for marketing. Different people like Amanda B Jonson put proposals:  OK, I will make 1 video daily and you will pay me xx DASH and then this instamine Masternodes vote on her suggestion and BAM she gets DASH and they get marketing.


Coins are normally open source without any company or any owner or CEO or, ...   So no one promote them. DASH and similar as Onecoin, Gulden, LeoCoin, ...  are such and promotes themselves. Seems DASH is doing best lately. altho you should not forget about the rest.


Marketing works, when there is no competition.  Waste of founds to put anything in development. DASH = smart I mean stupid. Yes stupid sells!

It's also important to note that only around 3-4% of its total "available" supply has traded over the last 20 or so days on the bulk of the run up (i.e. it's easily manipulated).
747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 04, 2017, 10:50:43 PM
Nice bait'n'switch, HR. What does "HR" actually stand for? Hand-Receptacle?

"Oooh you don't have any explanations! You are scammers!"

"Wait what, you do? Umm... well not good enough, you're scammers!"

What a retard.

Meanwhile Dash remains strong and resilient on its throne reigning from 45 miles up in the sky over all alt- and shitcoins. And there's nothing you can do about it. How does that make you feel? Sad? Angry? Furious? Butthurt? All of that? You missed out. Big time. Your loss. Read the charts and weep.

It's not bait and switch. It's the truth. That's the way the [real] world works. But I'm not going to go on and explain everything to you now am I? You think I'm going to educate scammers for free? Not even if you paid me! You've got enough out of me as it is. No, no, no. You're better left as you are. Happy people holding hands.
748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 04, 2017, 10:23:16 PM

Oh, I see.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435385.0

I hadn't got this far yet. You guys are made for each other!

(No I'm not a Monero supporter either.)

Strike three hundred thirty three.

Snake oil anyone? And no, Monero's snake oil isn't real snake oil.   Roll Eyes
749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 04, 2017, 10:13:50 PM

What's holding you back from putting real arguments out there to defend your case?

Don't worry. You're in good company.

Does anyone understand this post? It must be so brilliant that mere mortals like me haven't a clue. Yes, that MUST be it . . . considering the source. Oh, I forgot, I haven't read or researched anything.  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

Nice to see you're all finally trying to offer up old, tired and unsuccessful explanations though. About time. Too bad it's a dollar short and a day late though.

With this much I do agree: you will get your just due. No doubt about it. Not a question of if, but when.

750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 04, 2017, 08:51:06 PM

Excuse me?

This is bullshit accusations?



That's an instamine. That's a fact. There's nothing more "to prove".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0 Has that been dealt with "ad nauseam in this thread"?

Debunked hundreds of times? How difficult would it be for you to post some links. After all, with "hundreds" of cases, I'm sure it wouldn't take you but 30 seconds.

What's holding you back from putting real arguments out there to defend your case?

 Huh   Huh   Huh

Are you guys for real?

Now, I'm serious here. This is ridiculous and I'm not going to play.

Good-bye and good riddance.


751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.9.2.7 on: March 04, 2017, 08:36:30 PM

I'm game!

 Cool
752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: March 04, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
The one year Dash De-anonymization Contest anniversary has come and gone!
The trolls have failed miserably but are still in the Dash ANN thread spreading FUD all day everyday. They are a stain on the whole crypto community ecosystem and should be shunned along with the coins they get paid to troll for.


What's a stain and what should be shunned are the scam coins.

The so-called trolls are simply asking you to debunk their accusations that you are a scam coin and you're not able to do that.

That should be enough for most people to make a good decision.

Sorry to be so hard on you, but sometimes the truth is absolutely necessary . . . and the truth hurts.

Don't bother to flame me. I won't be wasting any more of my time here. I've said all there is to say.

753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 04, 2017, 09:01:44 AM

"Note that you don’t need to be the owner of a masternode to see these logs. Most of the masternodes are hosted on cloudhosting services. If a government demands access to these logs, they will probably get it. It’s entirely possible that right now the NSA is spying on the majority of masternodes without the owners even knowing their masternodes are being spied upon."

Just one of many grave examples that eliminate from the competition. Good reading (and viewing).

Thanks for everything you guys have shared.


When it sounds too good to be true . . . when it's touted as everyone's nirvana . . .

. . . it's probably pie in the sky.

 Cry


(Wonder if this quote and opinion/conclusion will get me put on the almighty ignore list. Hey guys, chill a bit. It's only one person's analysis. If your product really is what you say it is, you should welcome comments like this since they give you an opportunity to shine by showing how wrong the analysis is - hopefully with reasonably intelligent arguments as I'd be the first to happily admit I'm wrong if you can objectively refute the scam accusations made against you.)

Sure to get me ignored.  Cool


Warning: DASH privacy is worse than Bitcoin
http://weuse.cash/2016/10/26/warning-dash-privacy-is-worse-than-bitcoin/
This article analyses how DarkSend works and will explain why there’s absolutely no good  reason to use DASH for private transactions.

    
Why the darkcoin/dash/dashpay instamine matters
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0
March 22, 2015
smooth explains reasons Dash hasn't gone legitimate yet -- and it may not be the reasons you've been told elsewhere.


CryptoScam #4 - Dash (w/ "Really Cool Guy" Tone Vays) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKU0Ymta-U
Published on Feb 3, 2017

In this 4th Episode of CryptoScam we explore XCoin --- Darkcoin --- Dashpay. We spend a lot of time on the early days and the events surrounding the insta-mine. We then discuss the concepts of Master Nodes (which is a defacto PoS), DarkSend & InstantX, all of which are extraordinary claims to be useful. We then go into detail on the current promotional efforts by Dash to get adoptions and conclude with what future potential Dash has.

Thank you for posting those crucial links again.  That is all MUST READ INFO for noobs as well as existing Dash bagholders.

Here are some more important Dash Facts.


1.    Darkcoin had a problematic launch: 2 million Darkcoin were mined in the first day (incidentally, there are around 2 800 Darkcoin emitted daily right now, so that should give some level of contrast). This may not seem to relate to your question, but it is important to establish the legitimacy and technical competency of the developer. The fact that the block reward does not match either of the three block reward formulae published by the developer is worrying. This points to an outright scam at worst, pure incompetence at best.

2.    When dealing with a cryptocurrency you need to be able to cryptographically and mathematically prove a particular claim. So in the original Bitcoin whitepaper Satoshi was able to mathematically prove the validity of the longest chain rule. The rest of his cryptographic claims were backed by the papers he quotes (Adam Back's Hashcash paper in particular). Darkcoin has no cryptographic proofs of their claims. This is important, because a cryptocurrency is a manifestation of cryptographic theory, not the other way around. If you try and shoe-horn it the other way around you'll likely find your model unsafe under the most basic of assumptions.

3.    The developer seems to eschew well-defined, anti-fragile, and proven Bitcoin concepts (eg. building a model based on paying for services via micropayment channels) for bizarre models that are poorly implemented and fragile (eg. payments based on uptime make a MasterNode a ripe target for DDoS attacks null-routing that IP).

4.    I have seen no evidence that InstantX transactions are not susceptible to malleability. This means that it is trivially easy to disrupt every InstantX transaction, and the network will fall back to processing them as "normal" transactions.

5.    This malleability approach also allows for easy forking of the network if you own a subset of MasterNodes, whereby your malicious MasterNodes vote for both of your transactions and feed those votes to two groups of miners. The claim made in the InstantX "whitepaper" is that the conflicting messages will "cancel each other out", but once the network is forked that isn't the case, as half the conflicting messages won't even be received by the one part of the forked network. By continuing to run this group of malicious nodes, feeding sets of InstantX transactions that appear to be voted in as valid, you can keep the network split indefinitely.

6.    The entire basis for "anonymising" transactions is based on clients being online at a given point in time, which means that those clients are also open to leaking information via temporal association.

7.    The developer seems to have a grave lack of understanding when it comes to the danger of incentives. The clearest example of this is this table of MasterNode ROI. As you can clearly see, a MasterNode's ROI is substantially higher when there are fewer MasterNodes. Thus there is clear incentive for a MasterNode operator to systematically attack and destroy other MasterNodes, but not so much that the network ceases to exist. Just enough to double or triple his ROI. Incidentally, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, as in a hypothetical future where Darkcoin is processing thousands of transactions an hour it will require quite a hefty server to act as a MasterNode. The fewer MasterNodes there are, the more work individual MasterNodes will have to do, which means that those run by non-technical people or on cheap VPS's will be the first to go, eventually leaving a group of big boys with big guns operating the remaining MasterNodes.

8.    We've already seen ample evidence of law enforcement turning seemingly anonymous people into informants (eg. Sabu), hacking servers, and infiltrating systems in other ways. It is safe to say that LEA could also outrightly purchase large portions of the MasterNode network. It is impossible to tell which MasterNodes are real and which are owned by LEA (in perpetuity). Unfortunately it appears that the developer's line of reasoning, with respects to "how much" privacy Darkcoin gives you, started with the assumption that a supermajority of the MasterNodes are honest / not being watched / not infiltrated by LEA. This leaves open a huge, gaping hole whereby all of the "mixing" MasterNodes are involved in can be revealed by an owned / compromised majority. I can guarantee that the bulk of all MasterNode operators do not know even the first piece of opsec required to keep from your tin from being tampered with.

9.    MasterNodes can be tricked into believing they can no longer accept new connections, simply by filling up all their file descriptors. It is somewhat trivial to force new connections to a group of MasterNodes under your control.

10.    The developer has no clue how dangerous and stupid it is to chain hashing algorithms, as you open them up to pre-image attacks among other things. As a security researcher who discovered a flaw in chained hashing algorithms in PHP concluded: "The underlying problem is that combining cryptographic operators that weren't designed to be combined can be disastrous. Is it possible to do so safely? Yes. Is it a good idea to do it? No. This particular case is just one example where combining operations can be exceedingly dangerous. But the bottom line: never roll your own crypto. It can have fatal consequences."

What logs? debug log?  There are no logs, except the debug log.  What do you hope to find in the log?

Recycled FUD..
Either that or he's too stupid to look into things carefully



I would go with the too stupid option.  Ignorant as all f&^k

And despite all these years of trolling and FUD'ing dash, not one of them has been able to break a mixed transaction; not one of them has been able to de-anonymise a transaction, ever.

That's proof of their lies and deceitful fear mongering right there, their fraudulent claims



Monero crew (including fluffy/smooth/risto) all have claimed that it is trivial to break DASH. When asked for proof they merely claim that it is so trivial there is no point and they have other things to do.

I think they probably have pokemon to play or nitendo after school.

Monero  Huh

5 belligerent, disrespectful replies, all demonstrating complete ignorance and/or desire to evade the subject, and none of which makes any effort at all to intelligently address the issue(s).

Now we know how this thread grew to be more than 6 thousand posts!  Cheesy

As is almost always the case, those who spend all day spewing out the "troll" word really need to look in the mirror. It's called psychological projection.

But not all is lost. You and Ethereum are building great case studies that will be taught in universities someday and that honest altcoins will be able to use to show people exactly what they're not. Cool

Cheers

P.S. It's not exactly best practice to edit out critical information, links, etc., from a post you are critical with. You once again show that you have no answer and cut off your nose to spite your face. Okay then, best of luck to you.
754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 03, 2017, 11:32:51 PM

"Note that you don’t need to be the owner of a masternode to see these logs. Most of the masternodes are hosted on cloudhosting services. If a government demands access to these logs, they will probably get it. It’s entirely possible that right now the NSA is spying on the majority of masternodes without the owners even knowing their masternodes are being spied upon."

Just one of many grave examples that eliminate from the competition. Good reading (and viewing).

Thanks for everything you guys have shared.


When it sounds too good to be true . . . when it's touted as everyone's nirvana . . .

. . . it's probably pie in the sky.

 Cry


(Wonder if this quote and opinion/conclusion will get me put on the almighty ignore list. Hey guys, chill a bit. It's only one person's analysis. If your product really is what you say it is, you should welcome comments like this since they give you an opportunity to shine by showing how wrong the analysis is - hopefully with reasonably intelligent arguments as I'd be the first to happily admit I'm wrong if you can objectively refute the scam accusations made against you.)

Sure to get me ignored.  Cool


Warning: DASH privacy is worse than Bitcoin
http://weuse.cash/2016/10/26/warning-dash-privacy-is-worse-than-bitcoin/
This article analyses how DarkSend works and will explain why there’s absolutely no good  reason to use DASH for private transactions.

    
Why the darkcoin/dash/dashpay instamine matters
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0
March 22, 2015
smooth explains reasons Dash hasn't gone legitimate yet -- and it may not be the reasons you've been told elsewhere.


CryptoScam #4 - Dash (w/ "Really Cool Guy" Tone Vays) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKU0Ymta-U
Published on Feb 3, 2017

In this 4th Episode of CryptoScam we explore XCoin --- Darkcoin --- Dashpay. We spend a lot of time on the early days and the events surrounding the insta-mine. We then discuss the concepts of Master Nodes (which is a defacto PoS), DarkSend & InstantX, all of which are extraordinary claims to be useful. We then go into detail on the current promotional efforts by Dash to get adoptions and conclude with what future potential Dash has.

Thank you for posting those crucial links again.  That is all MUST READ INFO for noobs as well as existing Dash bagholders.

Here are some more important Dash Facts.


1.    Darkcoin had a problematic launch: 2 million Darkcoin were mined in the first day (incidentally, there are around 2 800 Darkcoin emitted daily right now, so that should give some level of contrast). This may not seem to relate to your question, but it is important to establish the legitimacy and technical competency of the developer. The fact that the block reward does not match either of the three block reward formulae published by the developer is worrying. This points to an outright scam at worst, pure incompetence at best.

2.    When dealing with a cryptocurrency you need to be able to cryptographically and mathematically prove a particular claim. So in the original Bitcoin whitepaper Satoshi was able to mathematically prove the validity of the longest chain rule. The rest of his cryptographic claims were backed by the papers he quotes (Adam Back's Hashcash paper in particular). Darkcoin has no cryptographic proofs of their claims. This is important, because a cryptocurrency is a manifestation of cryptographic theory, not the other way around. If you try and shoe-horn it the other way around you'll likely find your model unsafe under the most basic of assumptions.

3.    The developer seems to eschew well-defined, anti-fragile, and proven Bitcoin concepts (eg. building a model based on paying for services via micropayment channels) for bizarre models that are poorly implemented and fragile (eg. payments based on uptime make a MasterNode a ripe target for DDoS attacks null-routing that IP).

4.    I have seen no evidence that InstantX transactions are not susceptible to malleability. This means that it is trivially easy to disrupt every InstantX transaction, and the network will fall back to processing them as "normal" transactions.

5.    This malleability approach also allows for easy forking of the network if you own a subset of MasterNodes, whereby your malicious MasterNodes vote for both of your transactions and feed those votes to two groups of miners. The claim made in the InstantX "whitepaper" is that the conflicting messages will "cancel each other out", but once the network is forked that isn't the case, as half the conflicting messages won't even be received by the one part of the forked network. By continuing to run this group of malicious nodes, feeding sets of InstantX transactions that appear to be voted in as valid, you can keep the network split indefinitely.

6.    The entire basis for "anonymising" transactions is based on clients being online at a given point in time, which means that those clients are also open to leaking information via temporal association.

7.    The developer seems to have a grave lack of understanding when it comes to the danger of incentives. The clearest example of this is this table of MasterNode ROI. As you can clearly see, a MasterNode's ROI is substantially higher when there are fewer MasterNodes. Thus there is clear incentive for a MasterNode operator to systematically attack and destroy other MasterNodes, but not so much that the network ceases to exist. Just enough to double or triple his ROI. Incidentally, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, as in a hypothetical future where Darkcoin is processing thousands of transactions an hour it will require quite a hefty server to act as a MasterNode. The fewer MasterNodes there are, the more work individual MasterNodes will have to do, which means that those run by non-technical people or on cheap VPS's will be the first to go, eventually leaving a group of big boys with big guns operating the remaining MasterNodes.

8.    We've already seen ample evidence of law enforcement turning seemingly anonymous people into informants (eg. Sabu), hacking servers, and infiltrating systems in other ways. It is safe to say that LEA could also outrightly purchase large portions of the MasterNode network. It is impossible to tell which MasterNodes are real and which are owned by LEA (in perpetuity). Unfortunately it appears that the developer's line of reasoning, with respects to "how much" privacy Darkcoin gives you, started with the assumption that a supermajority of the MasterNodes are honest / not being watched / not infiltrated by LEA. This leaves open a huge, gaping hole whereby all of the "mixing" MasterNodes are involved in can be revealed by an owned / compromised majority. I can guarantee that the bulk of all MasterNode operators do not know even the first piece of opsec required to keep from your tin from being tampered with.

9.    MasterNodes can be tricked into believing they can no longer accept new connections, simply by filling up all their file descriptors. It is somewhat trivial to force new connections to a group of MasterNodes under your control.

10.    The developer has no clue how dangerous and stupid it is to chain hashing algorithms, as you open them up to pre-image attacks among other things. As a security researcher who discovered a flaw in chained hashing algorithms in PHP concluded: "The underlying problem is that combining cryptographic operators that weren't designed to be combined can be disastrous. Is it possible to do so safely? Yes. Is it a good idea to do it? No. This particular case is just one example where combining operations can be exceedingly dangerous. But the bottom line: never roll your own crypto. It can have fatal consequences."
755  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: March 02, 2017, 07:27:46 PM

Not 2, but 20% have been traded with latest market moves.
We can't set these datas as support to me. DGB will have it's time.

Closer to 2% I'm afraid, but we'll let some other contributors confirm that.
756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: March 02, 2017, 06:38:57 PM

Digibyte has been well marketed compared to other coins, Jared is a marketing superstar in the crypto world but the development is not able to back up the marketing. People have caught onto this fact.

I couldn't disagree more, on both counts. The marketing here has been hopscotch, inconsistent and fleeting, in my opinion. And there are major scam coins, major premines, with huge amounts in the hands a few very savvy "promoters" - if we can be so kind as to call them that - whose technology is riddled with holes so big you can make thousands of coins with one keystroke - literally.

No, I don't think you're going in the right direction with that conclusion.

BTW, I think the same thing holds true for Myriadcoin. ;-)




@ghostycc, 2% DASH current available supply traded = total aggregate volume of all the exchanges it is traded on for that period.
757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: March 02, 2017, 12:37:10 PM

Which introductory video do you like best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0oNO3mbBE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmDyhKOjNKM

They're both pretty spiffy, don't you think?

But more than 4 times the number of views of the DASH video in less than half the time. What’s the difference?

And why the very divergent paths in terms of adoption? What has taken DASH to where it is and what has DGB been lacking?

And why the difference in relative performance to BTC in terms of price (50 times undervalued vs 5000 times undervalued)?

What has DASH actually implemented that DigiByte hasn’t?   Huh

Perhaps some serious reflection might lead to some future success. If after 3 years DGB is still trading in the 20 SAT area, perhaps it's time these questions be seen as serious issues to consider and not childishly disregarded out of hand.

Is it finally time?




Jared's policy is to not hype and in fact feed the P&D industry. I find it legit, unless his investors are the P&D'ers.
Whatever, the work behind is real, but that's a very big mistake to not marketize it every time, to me.

Marketing strategy is a real work, people did not invent it for nothing. I agree with you.
It is very professionnal to have such plans. Digibyte definitely needs it, and I think the team knows about it.

Where other scamcoins made their way out without backend work and full marketting... DGB is completly the opposite... Full backend work with no official marketing "yet?"...
Might be good, might not. Maybe they will do better than what we even think, or not Smiley

Who knows after all, that's crypto world! Smiley

I agree with what both you and Telenong said. It's all about marketing and getting the word out. But about what? What do you market? What do you leverage? And, before that, the question about whether you decide to do something or just let the opportunity pass into oblivion. I say DO something. If a scam coin can achieve the success that some have achieved, why not the real thing?


Here's a data point and question for everyone. Perhaps it might be the basis for a beginning with respect to what DigiByte chooses to leverage in its marketing efforts.

One big difference between DASH and DigiByte is that during the current spike, a period of 16 days that began with the breakout on Feb. 14, only 2% of DASH’s current available supply has traded, while over 200% of the total available supply of DigiByte traded over a similar period when DGB spiked to 185 SAT last year.

Do you think this is an important difference? Why? / Why not?

758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: February 28, 2017, 04:51:19 PM

Which introductory video do you like best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0oNO3mbBE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmDyhKOjNKM

They're both pretty spiffy, don't you think?

But more than 4 times the number of views of the DASH video in less than half the time. What’s the difference?

And why the very divergent paths in terms of adoption? What has taken DASH to where it is and what has DGB been lacking?

And why the difference in relative performance to BTC in terms of price (50 times undervalued vs 5000 times undervalued)?

What has DASH actually implemented that DigiByte hasn’t?   Huh

Perhaps some serious reflection might lead to some future success. If after 3 years DGB is still trading in the 20 SAT area, perhaps it's time these questions be seen as serious issues to consider and not childishly disregarded out of hand.

Is it finally time?


759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 28, 2017, 04:39:21 PM

Which introductory video do you like best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0oNO3mbBE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmDyhKOjNKM

More than 4 times the number of views in less than half the time. What’s the difference?

And why the difference in relative performance to BTC in terms of price (50 times undervalued vs 5000 times undervalued)?

What has DASH actually implemented that is real world and real time beyond the projects, plans and promises (a handful of ice cream stand merchants don’t count as meaningful examples) that DigiByte hasn’t?   Huh

Not fudding. Just looking to educate myself and hoping this is a good place to start.

Also thought it might be interesting to share the huge spread that might be successfully arbitraged with handsome profits - both realized and future.  Wink
760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔DigiByte Gaming - CS:GO, LoL, DiguSign it?, DigiSpeed on: February 27, 2017, 12:11:50 PM
The problem this coin faces is too much supply and a high bitcoin price. It was ok when btc was under $500 but people with bitcoin are going to be really picky with how they use it at these high prices. Jared will be waiting for when bitcoin gets dumped and then start marketing digibyte in public. Marketing digibyte is a waste when people only watching bitcoin price at this time.

only fools turn their attention away from the alts when BTC pumps


You're so right.  Smiley



Charts courtesy of https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/ .




I'd like to know how you proceed to get these chart (I know that these are the global from CoinMarketCap). I'm more talking about the formula.
Aren't these based on GBP ? Might be wrong and could you correct me if so ?

Well, I wouldn't look at these myself. Specially without showing the math.


However, nice to see you around HR.

Based on USD (run your mouse over the plotted line on the graph).

The math? Pretty simple: 1) the sum of the 660 cryptocurrencies listed; 2) the sum of the 660 cryptocurrencies listed less Bitcoin; 3) Bitcoin market cap divided by the sum of the rest of the cryptocurrencies. (If you want to see the sources for the raw data drawn on, click on the "price" for each coin listed - it's very transparent and quite straightforward; there's nothing mysterious here.)

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/

DGB currently 52nd.
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