well that will be an issue for me - 2 years ago I ordered 10.6k worth of miners from Alibaba seller - who never delivered - I used PayPal, after 3 months with no miners or even a tracking number, I filed a claim, after a month more of going back and forth with PayPal, they refunded the 10.6k order but also promptly closed my payPal account and said I was a "risk" not sure why I got that but I was also happy to get my 10.6k back.

Long story short - I cannot use my corporate PayPal account to pay or place orders any longer as the account has been closed.

I have now sent 3 emails after receiving their initial email about the price differences and that we would receive refunds/credits and I have gotten zero responses. Today I opened a support ticket on Bitmain's site - not sure if that will get me any answers faster.

I want to order a T17e with the credit or get the refund so I can order, I have enough coming back that with the $150 coupon I have that I would only be out of pocket for around $200 and shipping.

I tried to place an order to see if I would see the credit at payout, and I got the following message:


and like Phil above, I did not see it on the payment screen, so I will be letting this order expire.

if the domain was around prior to the .org one - why would you report it? it is not trying to pretend to be the .org nor is it any real competition to the .org site. They have a few members that still post there but I don't see any issues why it needs to be reported.

could be that tbdice.org is their failover pool so that might explain why they are never there long.

it might be that they do not support those miners - neutralLTC did post a list of miners they support:

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btw I forgot to post it here, @neutralLTC resolved all my issues - thanks!

I do not think they are "squatting" on the domain - they have been there since 2011 and they do have threads with over 20 pages of posts. At least that is what I can see from a non-registered user pov. I do not have an account there so there might be more to see for registered users.

nice!

correct - all the "abuse" he claims he is getting would cease if he carried thru with the 3rd post - but I also agree that all sellers should at least receive courtesy if they are new instead of being trashed on their first post. Save it for when they refuse to comply is my opinion. That being said OP has not provided any of the request information.

and these posts.... I see dozens of them each week many times the same user - eBay policy strictly prohibits this and states they sanction/ban the sellers but I still see the same guys over and over.

I think the issue is that it has been days since you stated you would provide the requested information and you have made many posts but not provided the requested items. You are new here and maybe unfamiliar with how it works here and he is trying to tell you how it does work here.

My electric is 5 cents so 6.25 would be a higher cost.

I appreciate your lower price but I will pass for now - If I did not have credit owed to me by Bitmain and I was not using coupons as well, I would take you up on this. But with those things, the T17 is only $700 from Bitmain - maybe 1000 if the tariff is still in play.

I understood that - and my point was that is the same thing in my opinion. and I understand that they are click bait - what amazes me is the prospect that even one of them might get someone ignorant to pay that much to begin with. lol

will have to think on that - its 1003 direct from bitmain with shipping within a week. Yes there would be the tariff but it would be less than the $500 difference in price that you are charging.

I don't charge extra for the fees - unlike most, I accept the fees as the cost of doing business - without the services for which I have to pay fees for, I would not have the sales to begin with.

I completely detest companies that charge stuff like credit card processing fees to customers and things such as that. Again, I see it as the cost of doing business.

it is not about hate - but there are more scammers trying to sell miners here that start their posts like you do and then never deliver on anything, than there are legitimate sellers.

especially when the accounts are new accounts.

not sure about a visit - but there have been a few members that hosted with them and purchased from them with no issues.

one of them being Biffa who is in the top 3 or 4 miners in hashrate on Kano.is pool

Oh, I buy from eBay quite often - but I always do my own research before purchasing. As for selling - I have sold iPads, PC's, Laptops, Cameras, Miners etc - and have had zero returns and zero issues.

There was only one where the person who bought my scrypt miners could not get them working at first, but that was eventually resolved - If I recall, he just need to reset the pool information. The BWL21's were finicky at best and would not always save the information in the UI.

at least you got a reply - I asked about my refund/credit almost 4 days ago now.


also --- Now that Bitmain owes me a refund of 152.01 or 0.01822347 BTC based on the value of BTC at the time of purchase, 8341.44. Or because BTC is worth more and Bitmain owes me (instead of me owing them) is Bitmain going to claim that the refund will be processed at current BTC value?

basically meaning they will give me less BTC??

While that would be the fair answer overall - it would not be fair since they did not afford me that luxury when I was paying for my miner, BTC was near 9500 and they made me pay BTC amounts based on the 8300 value above because that was the value at the time I placed my order.

I cannot wait to hear the answer to this... I really expect them to be hypocrites and claim that they will do it at current BTC value, as that will save them BTC.

my guess is they do whatever nets them more - when I did an order to try their 50% up front and 50% later (I paid only a few weeks after the first payment) the first half was when bitcoin was worth 8341.43 - when I made the second payment, I scanned their QR code and it told my wallet how much to send (USD) which my wallet sent that value - the problem was that bitcoin was worth 9610.92. Bitmain claimed I owed them still another $72 worth of BTC because they were valuing BTC at the 8300 price not the 9600 price. They said they do so to be more fair to their customers.... I am sure that if when I made the second payment, if BTC would have been worth 7,000 they would have not honored the 8341.43 price, nor would I expect them to. But in this case BTC was worth more so they used the lower value to get more BTC.

I will never do the 50/50 payment again unless I know that BTC will plummet in value right after the first payment so that my second payment will be worth more - but of course, how would I ever know that?

true - I did not think of that but if funds are released upon delivery - they are only held by PayPal until delivery - the seller can simply remove the funds from PayPal - unlink their banking info from the PayPal account and walk away. Then there are no funds to return to the buyer.