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7761  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: In Gambling, Money is not everything on: August 26, 2017, 04:13:41 AM
If money is not everything when it comes to gambling then what's everyone doing in the first place, gamblers gamble because they want to win the jackpot, with the exception of the money there is nothing else to gain in the world of gambling. Even in the entire world it's always about the money and nothing else.
There is a lot of people who gamble without really give a damn about money.
And that's enough i guess to show how money is not everything.
Money just hsve a big role on making people so excited, just it.
Of course, but you can only see few of them as most of the gamblers are not rich, some of them really gambling for money and that's why we lose because of that purpose. Maybe we can say that there are some who can make a fortune in gambling but that will take a lot of time and dedication, regardless we still cannot deny the fact that a lot are losing which gives the gambling industry more profit to take.
Without money wagered , the game won't so excited right?
It is okay to say it was an important part of gambling thrill , still it wasn't everything .
As some people gamble such as an idealist looking for pure have fun and don't care about lost/win the prize.
This is true that gambling is no fun if there is zero involvement of money at all. This is because having your precious amounts being bet for a game on in poker or dice games is itself nothing less than the curiosity.fun seeking gamblers have no care for their money but they find it exciting when it comes to winning or losing your capital only in a matter of seconds.
Those people who dont care for their money and just want to lose their capital in a matter of seconds are those filthy rich persons which they do have the money to spend and waste on but for a normal or casual gambler who do have only a right amount to play they will surely most likely to target on aiming money for sure. We do have different minds and we do have different views this is why answer wont really be precise at all.
7762  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: [ANN] BitCred.Club - Earn up to 2.5% Weekly. on: August 26, 2017, 03:45:57 AM
Sorry for post in wrong place.

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Cant be helped no matter what things you would say that negative trust do really suits you after all. All people knows that you deserve such thing. Dont try to promote an obvious ponzi scheme site because red paint would really comes next for sure.
7763  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Excuses on: August 25, 2017, 08:57:38 AM
Yeaaaa sometimes emotions could always takeover your brain, your thought to execute an action.
That is the beginning of losing control that usually leading into crazy thing that doesn't makes sense at all.
For example to take loan for the sake of gambling , it has been in the highest level of addiction when you do it i guess.

It is not sometimes, it is always to those who have weak discipline in themselves.  See those who are hooked and those who are addicted in gambling?  They do not let their emotion take over their brains sometimes instead they always choose to follow their emotions and keep their sense of reasoning that is shouted by their brains shut.  Result, they will keep on gambling even though it affect them negatively.  Their excuse, it will be their last time to bet that keep on repeating in their day to day lives.
I Agree , People who is hook in in gambling are addicted on playing it and just chasing their lose money or aiming for more profit. It come to the point that they are risking the things that they can't risk in order to play gambling. Some people are getting out being addicted on gambling games by reducing their addiction. Trying them selves not to play for a day or playing with a little capital.
If addiction is severe you would definitely done this thing without minding on the problem that it would cause more ahead which we know gambling do have random chances and we cant really be sure that the money we borrow and tend to play that on gambling would eventually won. If you win then youre lucky but if not then you will surely regret because problems do arise even more.
7764  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Frustration in betting. on: August 25, 2017, 07:55:07 AM
Funny enough have been looking for just daily two odds. But seems it's impossible
Now am down to daily 1.50 odds daily. Please does anyone knows a genuine tipsters or site that I can pay to give me daily odd of 1,50. Or 2 odds
 or can anyone in the house assure me of a daily 2 odds or 1.50 odds. Then I will pay you. Odds should be 100% becausE my stake are always high
You can actually see free tipsters here on this forum but would really depend on what game you are looking at since most common tips have given here is on soccer,basketball etc. I would say theres no guaranteed 1.5-2.0 odds winning on daily basis knowing that this is gambling and results are not assurance on every game to win.
7765  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling bot - need advice - [First post bear with me] on: August 24, 2017, 03:08:37 PM
Was wondering if someone here already encountered pages like : earnbitcoinwithsatoshibot
Yes, i had similar site which reminds me i have to create something like this again.
Have anyone had any experience? do you have other tips / recommendations for the long run?
Do you want to know do we have experience with gambling sites or do we have experience with promoting our referral links and making some extra money from that?
Lets be honest, it's your site, i don't think you are really asking questions here.
This is just a clickbait on which he pretends that its not his own website but its really an obvious one because even though he didnt say such thing we know that its his own site together with a referral link on it. Most people do know here that any gambling bot out in the market wont really work in the long run,it might give you profits for sometime but depends on the luck you do have not actually on the bot. They are just tools though.
7766  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can you tell if you are suffering from gambling addiction? on: August 24, 2017, 02:14:16 PM
I just want to ask how would you know if a person is suffering from gambling addiction. Can you guys tell me the signs of it?

Persons will be considered addicted to gambling if they always visit a gambling place and play likes there is no more tomorrow. Their days will not be complete if they did not gamble within a day specially if they have money in their pocket. Doing this kind of addiction may forget their job, family, friends and studies.
They would really wreck down their lives if they would just let this sever addiction would control them until the end. It will really eat you up until you dont have anymore money to spent from your pocket. This kind of thing is just common on gambling world on where there are really people on which their addiction is already severe where comes to a point that they are not on the right mindset or thinking anymore on the things that they must do.
7767  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dump the news? on: August 24, 2017, 01:25:16 PM
sorry bra the correction has already happened down to $3600 and the "hammer" of Thor is also visible after it Wink



Basing on this technical analysis it really indicates that the correction do happen since hammer have already appeared and the best time to entry buy orders is on that opening of the next bullish candle but knowing cryptocurrencies technical analysis might work sometimes it wont this is why its really confusing if this would be the right time to buy coins while its still low in price. Somethings coming up on next month or on this year.
7768  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: August 24, 2017, 11:04:32 AM
The worst mistake in gambling is,
When we are not able to control the game being run.
And when we menyiakan profit that has been in the can,
until finally run out of all profits and funds that have been in deposit

We really can't control the game alone and this is the mistake that every gambler experience. When we think that we are able to beat the house but this is just leading us to frustration because we do really can't beat the house alone. We have to depend on our skills and luck alone but not all the time skills and luck isn't enough.
I also agree with you on this that the worst mistake in gambling is simply being over confident. Once you have bet your money, then you should opt for playing on the safer side as a next step. Never think about winning against the casinos all alone.

It is not possible to do so just by depending on your luck and skills. Gamblers need to be more conscious about the environment in which they are playing and stay calm as much as they can.

Being too overconfident will lead you to fall down. Because you think that you are too good enough but it's the way to make yourself pull the trigger down. Don't always commit the same mistakes as it is going to lead you frustrated and that can make yourself think that you are not that good.
Overconfident is one of the reasons why do gambler fall out on being a loser in the end of the day. Usually when we do experience a winning bet and our mind and emotion do already changed up and believing that we can go further and its sounds very easy to achieve such goal. This is somehow a boost up on emotions on being confident and bam, you lose on the next bet and frustrations would really comes next.
7769  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitsler.com cheated me, they declin my withdraw on: August 23, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
This is why instead of playing these games casinos should just PERMANENTLY remove the faucet.

They are wasting the gamblers time and energy into thinking he might actually win big from faucet and make a withdraw.

They are wasting the admin supports time in having to verify every withdraw.

How hard is to to add a fake BTC option to gamble and try out the site before making a deposit.


Casinos in Vegas don't give people free pennies and they don't have this issue.
This is a nice idea but there would be some disadvantage of it because not all faucet players are just those people who do make abuse of it because there would be cases that faucets would be the cause too to hooked up a potential regular player from their site but this is just for unusual cases because we all know that there are lots of faucet abusers than on potential players and also if you did put fake money i would say the interest on playing on the site would really be lessen for sure.
7770  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitmain Hacked - Change all your gambling site passwords on: August 23, 2017, 10:37:51 AM
It is never a good choice to use the same passwords for all of the sites that you are registered with, and this was one of the main reason, once a site got hacked and if the customer information are being stolen by the hackers in the process, the hackers might have a chance to access the other sites which you are registered with if you use the same password.

It is also better to change your password once in a few months on the site that you frequently visit, and also enabling 2fa is a good way to safeguard your account and balances.
This is why i dont use repetitive passwords on any accounts that ive made because if you use the same passwords or log-in information on various sites then chances of getting hacked would really be high compared on having different information anytime.This is why im not really bit worried on this kind of hacking incidents because im confident that i wont be easily be hacked by someone.
7771  Economy / Marketplace / Re: weird site but they give out free bitcoin, ive gotten paid b4. on: August 23, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
Well, well, a senior member posting this. It is free but you need to upgrade. Doesn't look free to me. I don't see any link. Did OP remove it in the last minute? Is he promoting his signature?

He's not advertising anything in his signature and it looks like the OP has abandoned this thread since then. May be a bought account to scam newbies here so think twice before putting your money into any of these.
I have already encountered fraud more than once and therefore I have to be extremely cautious about what they offer you. I practically do not react at all to any investment projects from personal links of users. Here If you pay attention to the company's signatures and what they chirp about, then these projects should be considered.
On all of my experience and encounter on this kind of sites ive learned enough and i would say im done on this one. Once i do read on those kind of investment or those websites that do offer returns or whatsoever i usually turned back directly without leaning it back. Upgrade thingy is really a bullshit for me because they do just like for you to put money on them even more.Free bitcoins isnt bad as long you are not getting money from your pocket.
7772  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Benefits from Gambling on: August 23, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
I like the story of Op's a tale of self-discovery and his character development. It is a classic and I am sure that many of us had gone through a period like this.
The thing is, Op was still young and his 'gambling' passion was more of a youthful rebellion of some sort more than anything real.
I am afraid that it is very hard for a fully grown man to change his ways once he will become an addict.

Those things that you are afraid of is already happening as of now on which there are really people would not realize along the way on what they are doing and didnt even bother to think of on the possible things that would happen ahead to them.Basing on the experience of OP we should really have the same mentality or realizations on playing gambling before we would able to experience bad things later on.
7773  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to control greed on gambling? on: August 23, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
It's really hard to control your greed on gambling as long as you win, you want to continue playing. You want more money, but if you lose you want to take your money back that's why you continued to risk your money. I think the best way to control your greed is to never start gamble or if you can't control yourself to start to gamble just give yourself a limit. For example, you can bet until 100$ of you win you can continue playing but if those 100$ lose that's the time to stop playing.

Human is greed. It is already rare that you can win because of the house edge. And when you win, you already know that you are on luck right now so you will naturally think that since you are able to get $100, you will be able to get another $100 and so on. This is the same as stock market also. You will keep pray that the stock price will keep going out so you can earn more and may overbuy with no balance profile.
Exactly it is! Your brain automatically think that you will always can get easy money.
As in the previous game you have won easily too , then why not to give another shot?
They don't know that the house edge will eat you! It will make you get nothing but only house edge get the profit.

Absolutely, our mind always thinking to make money and search the way where we could earn money in a less time. We are always greedy for money more than love, and in gambling we see that we could come true our dream of make money. Also i agree with you, when we win in a bet then our mind convince us to do more bet and more win. But we don't know the next step.
In our world now, money is almost everything already on which theres a point on which happiness can already be bought by money and as a normal part of a human being the feeling or being greedy is always been part of us in which we would really see on gambling that it is indeed the fastest way on making money in an instant but without caring too much on the possible risk of it.This is the thing on which most people do really fall.
7774  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why I suddenly decided to leave gambling alone. on: August 22, 2017, 02:39:29 PM
These kind of decisions would really normally come out when we already realize that we are already doing the wrong thing and as a person you would really think off on the responsibilities that you should do and prioritizing the important things into your life because if someone would only focus on playing gambling i would say that hes too selfish on doing such thing because hes just thinking of on his own happiness without thinking that hes already gradually destroying his own life together with his loved ones.
7775  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Fun seeking gamblers vs profit seeking gamblers on: August 22, 2017, 01:44:39 PM
It seems to me that gambling is too risky. That's why I do not find it fun or profitable. Maybe it can be fun but only at first and only  for people who enjoy the risk. Also I dont believe in the profitability of gambling.

As for me it only becomes fun when I'm winning and beating the house . That's the only time gambling becomes profitable and fun at the same time else I'm all for the profits and no joking around with perceived fun.

Gambling for fun is my past dna, because gambling is better now as an attractive profit procedure, happy to be identical to just playing games, but the seriousness of the attitude will result in a good level of comfort at regular intervals, not necessarily driven by defeat, what we need is the percentage of victory and defeat in one period.
If you can earn money in gambling then good for you, what can be better than to earn money doing something you like and that is also a game, that is why you see all of those people earning millions while practicing sports that are very happy since they earn money doing something they enjoy greatly.

Well i think the biggest difference here is the pressure you'll have if you exclusively gambling for profit. Who would have fun if they're expecting too much and then don't get what they expected. Gambling for fun is a much more relaxed type of gambling compared to puahing for profit which may also make you lose more since emotions will be high
Maybe you are right but I think if a person is gambling for profit, he would be serious and want to win. Same is the case with gambling for fun. He would also be serious in the matter of winning.

However, it is the effect of outcome which is different for both types. A fun seeker would not cry as much as a profit seeker if he loses. Pressure is always involved whether you do it for fun or profit. The impact is just different.
The impact of an outcome would really be different and i agree on what you are saying here. Fun and Profit seekers do have the same target on which they should really win the game but speaking with the results it would really be different already but there are instances on which a certain person do tend to seek fun purely but later on in the middle of the game he already changed into a person on where he would really aim strongly on making money.I can able to say such thing because i did experience that one.
7776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin hitting the next level... requirements. on: August 22, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
In order for bitcoin to hit levels of $250,000+...... it will need to be accepted and marketed everywhere. So far, Microsoft accepts bitcoin. This could be the ice breaker and the door opener for other companies such as Apple, Sony, Google, etc down the road, eventually leading to retailers such as Walmart and franchise such as Mcdonalds.

In order for bitcoin to take off to levels that seem ridiculous right now, we will need to see the average Joe not only be holding bitcoin..... but also be spending it. (In this case, $250,000 could possibly be severely underestimated)
It would really be an Icebreaker when Microsoft would tend to accept bitcoin knowing that its really a big company and would really caught the attention of big companies too and they will surely decide to jump into bitcoin craze. If this thing would happen then high prices would really be expected but the main thing or concern here is what would be the thing that they would need to see on bitcoin for them to be convinced?

I don't think that it will benefit Microsoft to accept bitcoin. And I don't see them accepting bitcoin as payment. Its really the price instability that causes this big companies to accept bitcoins. Unless Bill Gates himself has admitted in public and he has invested millions on bitcoin and they will accept it, then bitcoin will become more popular and universally accepted because its Microsoft. And maybe other big IT company will follow what Microsoft has started and this will really push the price on the next level. But now, I don't see it happening.
You do have a point but its still a good payment option for them to implement.We do know its an IT company which means accepting bitcoin to them would really suits up.This would really increase awareness even though it wont give too much effect on Microsoft but later on when people already do know about bitcoin they will surely get benefit from it later on.
7777  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker v Other casino games online on: August 22, 2017, 12:32:54 PM
We all know how much bitcoin users love dice but I think even poker websites ( bitcoin supporting sites ) also generate same or even more revenue than dice sites . Do you guys play only dice or only poker or both using bitcoins ?
Comparing both field i would say that dice market is huge compared on poker based on my own view. Considering on the number of sites existed we do see there are lots of dice sites and bit somehow saturated already because gambling site owners do see that theres a high demand on that game but there are site which do decide to have both games on them and decide to put most of casino games.
7778  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you consider trading as gambling? on: August 22, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
Well for me trading looks a bit lead to gambling from the level of risk and put the capital. But when viewed on more detail again trading is still different from gambling from the nature of both. Gambling i think just depends on lucky only, but trading isn't just lucky only but must have more skills and knowledge of price movements.

Trading is 100% gambling and it is rather the control measures like "stop loss" and "take profit " that makes trading less risky because gambling can instantly drain your pocket whereas trading can be stopped when it moves out of your preferred range and thereby preventing further losses.
I don't think so. There is a huge difference in trading and gambling. How? Let me explain it.
When you go for gambling you have two things in mind either you win and double or whatever adds to your money you offered for a bet  and Incas case if you lose you lose all your money, there is no chance of a second survival with the same amount of money. Trading on the other hand is quite opposite to that, you don't lose all your money invested at the same time.
Gambling is a one go game with giving you on the spot result while for trading you will have to wait for your investment to give you a result.
Trading would really have the edge anytime regarding on possible profits and talking with lesser capital. Investment compared to entertainment can really be differentiated regarding on the level of risk. Gambling is gambling which do purely rely on luck and Trading goes on opposite way too and it does need knowledge and skills for you to earn for long term which you cant do on gambling.
I guess in both the cases if it is gambling or trading luck plays its role but in gambling it seems more vital than that in the trading. Both of the individuals are ready to bear risk but the one who is trading is dealing with a calculated risk while the other gambling has no risk calculation and thus depends solely on luck. Skills works more in trading than the gambling.
Luck would really be vital on playing gambling, Trading might need some luck for sometime but not all the times as long you do know how to calculate or make analysis on each trade on which on this thing trading do really have the edge since you can make studies and plans while you are planning to put orders and also trading and gambling is on different field i believe.
7779  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you consider trading as gambling? on: August 21, 2017, 03:36:22 PM
Well for me trading looks a bit lead to gambling from the level of risk and put the capital. But when viewed on more detail again trading is still different from gambling from the nature of both. Gambling i think just depends on lucky only, but trading isn't just lucky only but must have more skills and knowledge of price movements.

Trading is 100% gambling and it is rather the control measures like "stop loss" and "take profit " that makes trading less risky because gambling can instantly drain your pocket whereas trading can be stopped when it moves out of your preferred range and thereby preventing further losses.
I don't think so. There is a huge difference in trading and gambling. How? Let me explain it.
When you go for gambling you have two things in mind either you win and double or whatever adds to your money you offered for a bet  and Incas case if you lose you lose all your money, there is no chance of a second survival with the same amount of money. Trading on the other hand is quite opposite to that, you don't lose all your money invested at the same time.
Gambling is a one go game with giving you on the spot result while for trading you will have to wait for your investment to give you a result.
Trading would really have the edge anytime regarding on possible profits and talking with lesser capital. Investment compared to entertainment can really be differentiated regarding on the level of risk. Gambling is gambling which do purely rely on luck and Trading goes on opposite way too and it does need knowledge and skills for you to earn for long term which you cant do on gambling.
7780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin hitting the next level... requirements. on: August 21, 2017, 02:34:20 PM
In order for bitcoin to hit levels of $250,000+...... it will need to be accepted and marketed everywhere. So far, Microsoft accepts bitcoin. This could be the ice breaker and the door opener for other companies such as Apple, Sony, Google, etc down the road, eventually leading to retailers such as Walmart and franchise such as Mcdonalds.

In order for bitcoin to take off to levels that seem ridiculous right now, we will need to see the average Joe not only be holding bitcoin..... but also be spending it. (In this case, $250,000 could possibly be severely underestimated)
It would really be an Icebreaker when Microsoft would tend to accept bitcoin knowing that its really a big company and would really caught the attention of big companies too and they will surely decide to jump into bitcoin craze. If this thing would happen then high prices would really be expected but the main thing or concern here is what would be the thing that they would need to see on bitcoin for them to be convinced?
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