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781  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-26] Crypto Owners in US Have Risen 81% YTD on: October 26, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
From the article: "[The United States] is the country that has the largest number of cryptocurrencies hodlers"

Interesting.

So while the article seems to say that the US *government* isn't crypto friendly, the individuals are.
782  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you waste your time for 5 cents worth of bitcoin? on: October 26, 2019, 12:08:01 AM
I am doing market research for a potential project.
If there was a website you could go to daily where you would earn anywhere from 1 cent - 10 cents worth of bitcoin just for clicking a button, would you do it?
No strings attached, no deposit required. You go to the website, push a button and 5 cents is deposited into your wallet. Would you go every day and do it, or is it not worth your time?

If it was 2009, 2010, or 2011 and I was getting 1-10 cents worth of bitcoin, then yes.  Just as it wasn't "wasting time" to learn about bitcoin and mine then for only a dollar worth of bitcoin per day.
783  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 5 Reasons McAfee’s $2 Million Bitcoin Prediction May Not Be So Crazy on: October 24, 2019, 10:18:42 PM

    1. Bitcoin’s Scarcity Will Lead to a Price Surge
    2. $2 Trillion+ Institutional Investment Dollars
    3. Bitcoin Halving in May 2020
    4. Governments Holding BTC in Central Bank Reserves
    5. A Global Recession in 2020

https://bitcoinist.com/mcafees-2-million-bitcoin-prediction/

BTC  is at $7500 as I write and it seems we are going to end up in a BEAR market. so to think BTC  price will go from $7500 to $1Mil , some one will need hell lot more strong weed than that of what John Mcafee is smoking!.  

BTC price going to $1k is more realistic than it to be $1Mil in just 1 year time!  

You sound like the people in July 2010 who were saying it was worthless and would never hit $1, and then 6 months later saying it would drop under $1 and never come back.  The FUD was wrong then and is now.

Will it go that high?  No one knows, but placing bets against it has been a losing proposition for more than a decade. 

Halvings have led to orders of magnitude growth in fiat price each time so far. Much decreased new supply (halved), increased demand follows the supply-demand curve.


784  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-24] Lightning Network User Reportedly Loses 4 Bitcoin: What Happened on: October 24, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Thank you for the TLDR, I wonder if they'll publish a story every time someone does something stupid.

e.g.  Person using the euro fiat network loses 40,000 euros after they burn the money while trying to start a campfire.
785  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-23] New Bitcoin ETF Proposal Filed by Gold Fund Veteran on: October 23, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
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But are we really that excited of the prospect of this getting approved or has this become just another routine and a boring one? And in the first place, do we really need an ETF?



"Need"? No.  Something beneficial to the entire ecosystem, yes. 

Will it be approved?  Something will eventually, sometime soon?  That is anyone's guess. 

The good thing is that there are a fair number of groups who have attempted this and each time more of the (supposed) issues are dealt with.  Some of those issues won't be dealt with until the market is more mature.  The somewhat ironic thing is that adding an ETF to the mix would tend to stabilize the global bitcoin market and make it less prone to manipulation on some of the sketchy exchanges because it would add a lot of volume and a lot of ballast in the form of people buying for protection which is something that would be beneficial to everyone. 

Not to mention an ETF would allow more people to take part safely in future appreciation.  While it certainly is doable to purchase it on your own, if people can purchase an ETF from their brokerage account, it makes things much simpler.

786  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-22] Bitcoin Sidechains To Send Altcoins Prices to ZERO? on: October 22, 2019, 09:03:45 PM
An advantage of sidechains adding features is that it is then secured by the full value of bitcoin

They aren't. Sidechains are altcoins. Nobody has even figured out how to theoretically secure sidechains in a trustless and decentralized way.

This comment from Peter Todd outlines one of the primary problems:

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Miners can't steal with 51% attacks alone; they have to also do doublespends, which is very limited.
With merge mined sidechains and drive chains 51% attacks are sufficient to steal funds.

Other approaches like federated consensus are uninteresting.

They aren't NOW, but responding to the article and the potential designs discussed, they will be, which was the point.

787  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-22] Bitcoin Sidechains To Send Altcoins Prices to ZERO? on: October 22, 2019, 05:07:05 PM
An advantage of sidechains adding features is that it is then secured by the full value of bitcoin, thus it is distributed and has a lot of value securing it as compared to a new alt coin that has very low value and therefore lower security.
788  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-20] HTC Launches Exodus 1S, First Phone That Can Run a Full BTC Node on: October 22, 2019, 05:00:34 PM
Full node? So the owner will use the expensive storage of a phone and the even more expensive data plan?
Who on earth would use that?!

Yes, it's an interesting advertising, now everybody talks about it. But useful / practical? Nah.

I agree right now it isn't really useful or practical, but IF (and that is a big if, admittedly) they continue to update it in 5 or 10 years, it might be practical and they will have experience dealing with it. 

As far as the data plan, maybe it is smart enough to avoid the full node being active while on cellular and only activate it while on wifi?  I don't know, and agree it isn't practical, but it is nice to see people pushing things out that may not be useful now, but will be later.
789  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's acceptance in the World on: October 22, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
At some point in the future - perhaps another 1 or 2 orders of magnitude in fiat price - bitcoin will stabilize and it will become much more prudent to use in commerce.  Personally, if someone wants to pay me in bitcoin today, I am fine with holding it and using it.  Never transferring to to fiat is the goal.

The people using it as a store of value today will in all likelihood be well rewarded while we get to the point of stability in fiat terms.  Or it will implode and be worthless, however, that likelihood decreases by the day.
790  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-19] With 18 Million Bitcoins Mined, How Hard Is That 21 Million Limit? on: October 22, 2019, 12:37:19 PM
The 'real bitcoin' is not meaningless.  I agree there have been some changes to "what satoshi implemented himself" - certainly the overflow bug was a change in the implementation (that was about a month after I first read about bitcoin on slashdot and started mining), but there have NOT been meaningful changes to what Satoshi *designed* himself.  Implementations may have bugs, designs may have poor design choices, but the root design precepts have not.  Even if all the miners pass it, that alone is insufficient to make that the 'real' bitcoin, see the UAHF and UASF previously.

 

Anyone is welcome to fork bitcoin and add inflation, but it will no longer be bitcoin, it will be something else.
Inflatecoin, whatever.

What is best for bitcoin is to not follow fiat down the road of inflation. It might start at 1%, but then the arguments will be it should be 2,5, or 10% in order to be "fair" and the rate will change and it will have no advantage to fiat.

Please, fork it and go elsewhere and don't try to destroy the real bitcoin.  There are plenty of people who will stick with bitcoin or inflatecoin.

The 'real bitcoin' is meaningless. Changes have already been made to the protocol that go against what satoshi implemented himself. Unfortunately he's not around for us to be able to know his opinion anymore, but I highly doubt that he would have been steadfast in all his beliefs and refused to accept the idea of any change at all because "it wouldn't be the real bitcoin". If there is a BIP vote to add a gentle inflation in, and miners pass it, that is the 'real' bitcoin, because it's been passed by the same people who give bitcoin its inherent value.


791  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-18] Winklevoss: Buy BTC to Escape Negative Yield Bonds on: October 20, 2019, 11:04:56 AM
As you can see, there are several ways to make a profit with this kind of investment, and that's why investors don't keep money in safes or in bank accounts. The opportunity to make money even exists in something that seems rather illogical to most, this is a classic example of how even one word can mislead people, negative does not necessarily mean unprofitable.

It is still confusing. In the example that you had given, a bond with yield of -0.10% was sold at a premium of more than 6%. So that means that first an investor purchased a $1,000 bond (with -0.10% interest, i.e $999 on maturity) for a premium of 2.6%, i.e $1,026. And then he managed to sell the same bond for $1,069 (at a premium of 6.9%). In the end he was able to make a profit of $43 per $1,000 invested. What I don't understand is why anyone would purchase a bond that yields $999 on maturity for $1,069. That is a $70 loss for anyone who purchased it.

A few reasons, maybe only one good in my opinion:
1. As a safe asset - even if they lose money, people believe they'll lose less than potentially elsewhere.
2. Greater fool theory - that there will be people who will buy it later and become the bag holders.
3. Cross currency hedges, obvious.  And perhaps a reasonable one.
4. Rolling down the yield curve.  A short term, risky strategy.
792  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-18] Winklevoss: Buy BTC to Escape Negative Yield Bonds on: October 19, 2019, 11:20:58 PM
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Why would anyone invest (or continue holding) in a bond that can make him lose money, in the first place? And in that case, according to Cameron, you should be shifting to Bitcoin and cryptocurrency because, even with its extreme volatility, the yields can be much better. Now, we are hoping many would be listening to this guy as he is surely speaking based on his experience and wisdom as a longtime Bitcoin supporter and billionaire.

People do it all the time. The rates on many bonds are less than the inflation rate so you are guaranteed to lose money on them.

These negative rates only make it worse.

Imagine a 1000 ($, Euro etc) bond. They might've paid 2% per year, so you'd get back 1020 after one year.  Inflation ran 3% so your purchasing power is less than 1000.

For a negative rate bond, you'd put in 1000, and get back 990 or something.  Inflation again ran 3% so, you lose even more purchasing power. 

Plus, unless the bonds are tax exempt, you had to pay taxes on the extra 2% or 20 in the first scenario even though in reality you lost money.  It would depend on the jurisdiction as to whether you'd get a deduction for the loss on the second.

For the people who want inflation in bitcoin, go elsewhere.
793  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-19] With 18 Million Bitcoins Mined, How Hard Is That 21 Million Limit? on: October 19, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
Certainly, I am not going to be stressed thinking of something that can happen not in my lifetime. Let them have all the debate they want to the question if there should be more than 21 million coins, that would certainly not my concern anymore but I am just wishing that cooler heads will prevail.

this is unlikely

money supply (and even money itself) is a simple concept that just isn't easy to grasp. It's not difficult to convince people that an inflating supply is good when they benefit in the short term, even people who can understand the concepts are happy to deceive themselves of the opposite if it means they have some short term gain.

Bitcoin was designed to stop all that, but using precious metals was a similar idea that has now ended up very contentious, and surrounded with stupid stories and questionable pundits. We can expect the same for Bitcoin (arguably, it already happened, made many times worse by Bitcoin being so technical)
An endlessly inflating amount of Bitcoin is definitely what is best for the future of the currency. Each year the total amount of gold ever mined in human history increases by about 1.x% (obviously, it fluctuates). Conveniently enough it's normally a percentage amount pretty similar to the % by which the human population grows each year, and so the amount of gold available 'per capita' across the world remains about constant. I think that inflation in the Bitcoin supply year-on-year that approximately follows this model would work well.

Anyone is welcome to fork bitcoin and add inflation, but it will no longer be bitcoin, it will be something else.
Inflatecoin, whatever.

What is best for bitcoin is to not follow fiat down the road of inflation. It might start at 1%, but then the arguments will be it should be 2,5, or 10% in order to be "fair" and the rate will change and it will have no advantage to fiat.

Please, fork it and go elsewhere and don't try to destroy the real bitcoin.  There are plenty of people who will stick with bitcoin or inflatecoin.
794  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-10-18] Bitcoin Has Failed But Global Stablecoins a Threat, Say BIS and G7 on: October 19, 2019, 11:55:55 AM
I also am very content with Bitcoin's "failure", there must be something wrong with me Grin

Another few years of "failure" like the last 10.75 would be quite welcome.  😂.  

I quite like an appreciating store of value vs one that is having its value inflated away every year like fiat.  Under their definition, fiat has failed as a store of value since you lose value every single year.

If bitcoin is to reach a "stable" value it will do so in the upper six or low 7 figure USD range. Then it will appreciate slower than in the past so it will be still increasing in value vs inflating away.
795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin May Extinct on: October 18, 2019, 03:20:32 PM
Great response as had previously been the case in your replies. Good to see you back after 18ish months!





Gents, Am I the only one thinks that bitcoin can be erased in the same way it is created?

No, you are not the only one.  There are other foolish people that also believe that.

Dont you think any attack can kill it?

If ANY attack could kill it, then it would already be dead.


That is not true.  One thing happening does not result in all things happening.  That's not how the universe works.

What will happen after satoshi dies?

He is already dead.  What will happen is what has happened.

What will happen when bitcoin stands alone.

Bitcoin has already stood alone.  What will happen is what has happened.

What will happen if it is banned globally?

Can you name any single thing that is banned globally?  If you can, does that thing still exist?

What if goverments start working on killing bitcoin?

Can you name anything that governments try to kill?  Does that thing still exist?

Dont you think goverments can work on it to kill it?

Governments can work to do whatever they want.  It doesn't mean they will succeed.

Btc is not like gold.

Correct.  It is better.

You cant make the gold disappear suddenly as it is possible for btc.

Yes, you can. But regardless, in what ways do you think bitcoin can be "made to disappear"?

I am a fan of btc but I am also scared.

It's okay to be scared.  Lots of people are scared of lots of things.

It should be protected but who will do it?

I will.  Will you?

Exchanges? The top btc holder?

Perhaps. Perhaps not.  Does it matter?

796  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stop Worrying about the Bitcoin Price on: October 17, 2019, 12:58:26 PM
.... Many of the people worrying don't know the basics of TA. ...


And they are better off not knowing about TA since it is a bunch of subjective mumbo-jumbo anyway.
797  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hated Personalities in the World of Bitcoin on: October 17, 2019, 12:45:47 PM
How about Dr Doom aka Nouriel Roubini?

From BBC News

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Prof Roubini, who foresaw the financial crisis, says Bitcoin is "overhyped".

At a summit in Taiwan on Tuesday, he likened it to a "cesspool".



I love how they say he "foresaw the financial crisis."  He has been predicting a financial crisis for decades, hence the moniker "Dr Doom".  A stopped clock is right twice a day too. Just because eventually he is correct, doesn't mean he foresaw it.  If a 20 year old predicts a financial crisis "this year" EVERY January 1st, eventually she'll be correct even though it had NOTHING to do with being prescient, just persistently wrong for many years before being right eventually.
798  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hated Personalities in the World of Bitcoin on: October 17, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
I would add Warren Buffett to this list, a man who is highly respected in the business world for the enormous wealth he has earned during his life. But he has always had a very negative opinion of Bitcoin, and he never hesitated to say it publicly. Although I respect every man's right to his opinion, I think he has done a great deal of damage to Bitcoin with his statements.

Nonetheless, many in this community continue to respect him and defend his views which really seems a bit odd when we read his statements about Bitcoin itself and people who have something to do with it.

Roger&Faketoshi are certainly two characters who are highest on the list of hated people, without any doubt for very good reasons.



I'd agree about Buffett.  He should be disrespected as a hypocrite and liar, not just because he has pontificated about bitcoin when he understood nothing about it.  He wants everyone else to pay higher taxes, but when he has the chance to do so he put tens of billions into his foundation so it doesn't have to pay taxes.  Just like Bill Gates and a lot of other billionaires on the left, they have a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality - lower your carbon emissions, never mind that I have 100,00 sq meters of living space, fly private jets around the world, and have a fleet of cars.
799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I don't know Bitcoin is, I just know It is taking away the lives of family on: October 15, 2019, 06:57:37 PM
Your answer isn't that bitcoin did anything, it is right here:
"my brother stole that money for Bitcoin Dice."


What can you do now?  Realize that even family and people you care about can scam you. Also find something you can do that someone else is willing to pay you for.  Computer programming, web design or something else. Go to a library and read and learn.

In short, take control of your own life and don't rely on others. As soon as you stop feeling like a victim and start providing something of value, you'll have some power and feel much better.
800  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-08-15] Hong Kong Is Paying Higher Prices for Bitcoin Amid Political Unrest on: October 14, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
It's a good move, I'd recommend to any person residing in Hong Kong to pick up some of their own BTC and keep it for the future, China wants to control everything and having some BTC in your pocket is a good move and they'd never be able to take that away from you.

in this case, BTCPay is less/not needed

How is it less or not needed? A lot of commercial businesses and non businesses use centralized payment gateways for the sake of convenience. Every payment goes through a filter where these payment gateways analyze the risk of each transaction, even when the nature of the transaction is innocent. The need hasn't ever been more pressing.

BitPay & Co have done nothing but signal the need for alternatives such as BTCPay. The more businesses adapt the more freedom people and businesses  will have.

Speaking of such, Namecheap (largest domain registrar in the world) is exploring its routes to ditch BitPay after hundreds of complains of them being shady and because of their unfriendly checkout page. Several users have proposed BTCPay, so we'll see where it ends.
No buisness will accept a decentralized and unstable crypto-currency as a payment option, it's just way too risky on their site. Payment processors are able to provide a way for buisnesses to accept crypto-currencies without the risks.


Not just Hong Kong, but many places the world over.  And there are plenty of people who don't need to convert to fiat, if I was selling something, I'd take bitcoin and not convert.
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