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781  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) on: August 27, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
The spam attack is worrying for me because BIP101 can do nothing about it as the Jan date is hard coded.

At least with BIP100 something could potentially happen sooner (though we are still going to have the whole issue about getting a majority to run it). I'd be happy to pin my colors to a BIP100 based solution if it meant that block size increases could happen sooner rather than later - even though I think that block size as a function of miner voting is totally unnecessary and overly complex.

I'm interested in how the anti-XT crowd feel about a BIP100 implementation that could very well facilitate 8MB blocks even sooner?

Its pure speculation I know - I'm used to the other board in this respect Wink - but I suspect a lot of people went XT on the 8MB blocks issue (its the only reason I switched). If in fact XT is being 'rekt' are people overlooking the fact that there is still large support for 8MB blocks amongst those 'rekkers'.

With regards short term block size increase, it may be that the only difference between BIP100 and BIP101 is that the latter requires 75% on XT (or xt-compatible) whereas the former requires 80% of miner votes to be 8MB.

I wonder if the anti-XT crowd may end up being the ones that get the block size increase implemented even sooner! That would be ironic Smiley
782  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) on: August 27, 2015, 07:34:15 AM
Of course not. But in typical dictator fashion they have managed to use their authority, PR & industry relations to instill false expectations into more simple users and steer the masses to get behind them against a "common enemy" on the premise of "inclusion" and general abuse of the sever misunderstanding of your typical redditor.

They absolutely have a right to release different code but it should stand on its own and not require a complete propaganda campaign.

There is now a recurring theme of cripplecoiners just reusing arguments levelled against them. What you wrote is pretty much exactly what has been said about those who would block development in the area of block size increase (the dictators) and those on the forums who tirelessly post anti XT rhetoric to try and convince everyone that Mike and Gavin are the enemy.

Then hilariously you suggest they should be allowed release code that stands on its own. Which is exactly what has been said about lightning.

Cut and paste designed to muddy the waters. You are a relentless poster, unnaturally so IMHO. So tell me is this propaganda?

"XT has already lost"
783  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 26, 2015, 04:11:26 PM
Not sure if you are being disingenuous or you really don't understand. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your stupid.
A few things:
1) blocks can be anywhere from a second to well over an hour, so no, your stats are only theoretical expectations.
2) XT being 75% doesn't mean it can't lose - there's a reason why core uses higher than 75% ...
3) 'XT' have stated they will use block markers to force people to stay on XT and not switch to Core, if however, Core is above 50% and gets ahead of XT, everyone on XT will be royally screwed Smiley
4) It only takes one 'XT only' block to be mined to keep everyone using XT off Core

but more importantly, XT wont happen.

Yes my stats are based on averages. The stats are theoretical probabilities, you can throw variance in there as a red herring but it doesn't alter the fact that after an hour there is virtually no chance of core having a longer chain. I think you do understand this, and so you *are* being disingenuous.

I get you don't want bigger blocks,  but its clouding your ability to see the truth.

How exactly do you *know* XT won't happen? I certainly don't know if it will or it won't.

You talk of centralised control as if core isn't already? This fork is exactly the essence of decentralised. Why are you so afraid of it?
784  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP101 and 8GB blocks by 2036 on: August 25, 2015, 02:26:34 PM

Honestly, are you just saying this BS to show you support BIP 101? Did you at least did a calculation before saying so?
Yep it looks pretty clear to me BIP 101 stops at 8GB certainly not exponential.
It has some exponential growth phase just like loads of things in nature but then it settle. Noo drama here...

It's growth has a sudden halt (at 8GB) but it is exponential. And looks nothing like an S-curve. Really basic maths.

The argument is that it is unsustainable, which relies on the exponential growth being unbounded. The growth is bounded therefore the premise it is unsustainable is invalid.

Really basic logic.
785  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitfury goes, its all over. The debate has been won. on: August 25, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
Bigger Blocks != XT, please stop believe that the unique way to scale Bitcoin is not using it (and use GavinCoin instead).

He's right bigger blocks is entirely different...

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks
786  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 25, 2015, 02:16:55 PM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!
That yes/no image is incorrect.
If core is the longest chain and someone is stupid enough to mine an XT block that core doesn't allow, then all XT nodes will follow the XT block fork.
Thus if core continues to be the longest chain (which it will) then XT clients will not follow the longest chain possibly until later.

Not sure if you are being disingenuous or you really don't understand. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

BIP101 activates *only* if XT has >75% of hashing power. So once a big block is mined then it doesn't matter if core ignores it, because core doesn't have the hash power to be able to orphan XT blocks by producing a longer chain.

At the point a big block is mined the probability of core being able to produce a longer chain quickly falls to zero. In the first 10 minutes there is a 25% chance, in 20 minutes 6% chance and so on... 1.5%, 0.4%,0.1%. After on hour of XT mining with 75% hashpower there is a 0.02% chance that core has a longer chain. Core is dead in an hour. Thats the real socio-economic incentive, regardless of how many anti-XTers try and claim there isn't one.

If XT doesn't have 75% of hashing power then BIP101 doesn't activate. So both XT and core both continue to mine small blocks and nothing changes.

The chart is quite correct.
787  Economy / Speculation / Re: Nights Watch by Afrikoin on: August 25, 2015, 09:04:04 AM


Bro, any idea why it's important step for bitcoin till mid-sept. ?

obviously because of ....PRICE

What about the price, I didn't get it.

because of the shemitah
788  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: "Node war" possible with spoofed version strings? on: August 25, 2015, 08:55:36 AM

I must be missing something, but I thought the fork depended on blocks
mined, not on number of nodes.

So maybe the anti-XT party could spend some electricity to
mine "fake" XT blocks in order to produce illusion of 75% goal
reached. But would that really accomplish anything? Undecided miners might
still jump on the bandwagon.

Yes, the XT's fork is triggered by 750/1000 last blocks self-reporting their version as XT.

Mining fake XT blocks generates the same reward as real XT or plain old 1MB blocks, so it's not a waste of power.

But would that really accomplish anything?  We don't know!  That's the point of NotXT.   Grin

Even with perfectly accurate metrics, being the first to defect from Bitcoin consensus (IE accept XTcoins) is risky.

In this fog of war, with its weaponized version strings, such first mover defections are an extremely brave leap of faith.

Oooh FUD. SCAAAAARY!
789  Economy / Speculation / Re: [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 months from now on: August 25, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
After last nights excursion into how bitcoin adoption plays out, I played around with some charts. Broadly based around these concepts.

A. There is an underlying sigmoid function (wikipedia'd that one!) that drives base valuation - the adoption curve.
B. That the market price is some cyclical function underpinned by the base valuation (A).
C. We end with widespread adoption after about 10 years, representing a base value of BTC based on some percentage of the economy. I picked risto's $300k because its as good a figure as any Smiley

If you use the function tan^-1 to model the s-curve
If you use some function such as sin to model a cycle

Then all is left to do is set up some start and end points, and mess around with modifiers to amplitude and frequency of the cyclical input, and rate of adoption of S-curve.

After trying out a variety of values it became obvious this was just an exercise in throwing darts Smiley - if it wasn't already obvious this is not a method of trying to predict highs and lows so you can trade your way to victory. It is more an exercise in preparing mentally for the magnitude of movement that one might expect were these assumptions of mass market adoption true.

It became clear, that it doesn't matter what values you put in. There is always some point where, despite how incredible/insane you think BTC price has been up to know, it pales compared to what it would need to do to fulfil this kind of projection.

No matter how you try to tame this model, doing so makes early movements far too placid.

Eventually I settled on a model that roughly followed the trend up to $1200ish with a sell off to about $400, then zoomed out to see how those parameters unfold over the 10 year adoption curve.

I got this...

https://i.imgur.com/VIUygWWl.png

I though this is ridiculous, it can't possibly happen. Then I thought, how else *could* it happen.

*if* it is ever to go mainstream. like a serious part of the world economy mainstream, there has to be a tipping point. Up until now the whole bitcoin market cap has been toy money compared to the kind of numbers that are thrown around when people start talking about things like the money supply, and absolute chicken feed compared to things like derivatives.

There has already been talk that the most recent price spike was 'the last time'. People claim everybody already knows about bitcoin, its all over now. I think this is nonsense. If I go out in the street and do a spot survey on people, your answers range from "oh yeah I think i heard of it on the news one time" to "huh?". The man in the street does *not* know about bitcoin. Anyone claiming they do is merely demonstrating their embarrassingly limited world view. Maybe every one of your online mates knows about it, but bitcoin isn't WoW gold. In a 'success' scenario - widespread adoption - it's slightly more relevant on a global IRL scale.

Wall st has indeed come. Its just that people are looking at things from the wrong angle. Wall st is part of the infrastructure that is currently rising up, such that once everyone notices what has happened. It's already happened.

To get to 300k we have to get through 3k and 30k. When the world's eyes turn to what bitcoin has become, then there will be no orderly queue, and understandable rise. It will be full on (mask) hysteria. The rise to 32 was when the neck beards were buying into a 7200BTC per day production. The rise to 266 was the first wave of internet interest, the rise to $1200 was a continuation fuelled the rest of the plugged in generation. It made the MSM which may have fuelled a little speculation. That's when things got serious.

Governments have noticed it, powerful people have noticed it, *banks* have noticed it. Right now we are in a perfect storm of the aftermath of a huge overshoot on the purchase of mining equipment - this is *fact* as evidence by the hash rate/difficulty.

This will take time to unravel. It surely will though, as irrational as people are, they will eventually stop flushing money down the mining drain. That money will turn towards the supply. As it becomes obvious the bottom is in, that is when people will start the next run up. Only this time it isn't going to be just neckbeards, redditors, hipsters and anonymous, it will be institutions. That have pretty much unlimited buying power by virtue of them essentially being able to print their own money, because they are TBTF and will just keep bankrolling each other whilst nuzzling the teat of QE washing away their toxic assets.

So the move will be unprecedented.

Unprecedented to you and I and all the other peons around here. To those behind the move, they just spent a few hundred millions to acquire assets they can now assign book values of billions. Selling into this only makes you weaker in the end game, and selling is what they want you to do because those dollars you are acquiring get more worthless the more bitcoin they have. Who here though has the constitution to hold as they see the price double repeatedly. We are still at the end of the day all hardwired for fiat. As much as anyone pretends they are not.

So the number I have picked is probably not that accurate. The magnitude, and the colossal unbeleivableness of it, is what is important. That's the black swan that nobody sees coming. That 90% of the people in the world will miss 90% of the bitcoin.

I repeat this exercise is about being ready if this happens. About having thought about what you are going to do. Me personally, I don't pretend for a second I can hold tight to everything. I'll sell a little on the run up just like a have every other time, and just like every other time, I will regret the stuff a sold a week earlier for far less. Just like every other time, when the dancing is done I'll reflect about how I used to have soooo many more bitcoin. Just like every other time, I will have made my end game worse.

I won't have sold everything though.

That's the difference between this post and every "talking your book but pretending not to" post on here. Everyone knows I'm long, I'm not telling anyone to go all in or all out I don't think posts on here make the slightest bit of difference, we are way beyond that now. The train has left the station and the driver is still drunk in the station bar. I'm just chatting to people about what I think. Getting more responses and replies from people who have other ideas and using this to shape my future decisions.

I'm already well past caring about whether I *lose everything* because for a long time now that's been impossible. The fact that people are up on here posting "advice" to sell is even more ridiculous to me than the suggestion that btc will be worth over half a million in just over a years time.

For the record, yes that chart does say over  1m in 3 years. It also says 250k the year later. It absolutely terrifies me to think how one might ride that out. Once again the figures aren't right, its the magnitude of the moves you might have to go through that is the message.

I've realized that taking your posts seriously was the problem. I find them much better now I view them as light entertainment. I can't believe I was so naive as to fall for it before! Still we can't always be perfect  Cheesy

I've realized that taking your posts seriously was the problem. I find them much better now I view them as light entertainment. I can't believe I was so naive as to fall for it before! Still we can't always be perfect  Cheesy
790  Economy / Speculation / Re: Better Sell... on: August 25, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
AAPL -10%
NFLX -16%
IXIC -8%
DJI -4%
BHP -8%
BRK.B -6%
BP -7%

Better sell *everything* and buy buttcoins.


[prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 months from now -- by master investor sgbett
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=800330.0

Still laughing at this one...

You and me both.

It's times like these one backs up the truck! Hello, Localbitcoins....
791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. [NooNooPol] on: August 24, 2015, 01:54:08 PM
The scaling debate is an open question, but it's now settled that XT is not the answer:

Doing nothing is worse.

Lol no.

Or is it based on the same bs that you extrapolated to get your 500k$ bitcoin?

On piece of advice, when you do not qualify, you STFU.


You seem scared. Just relax, let it happen.
792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Better Sell... on: August 24, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/24/wall-street-prepped-for-meltdown-as-futures-plunge.html

U.S. stock index futures screamed lower on Monday, with Dow futures tumbling more than 700 points, as fears surrounding the health of China's economy multiplied.

The New York Stock Exchange is invoking Rule 48 for the Monday stock market open, Dow Jones reported.

The rule allows NYSE to open stocks without indications. "It was set up for situations like this," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Wunderich Securities. It was last used in the financial crisis.

The Dow futures held about 700 points lower, with the S&P futures off about 80 points, and the Nasdaq 100 futures off about 5 percent, which marks the lower end of the price limit.

The major averages are on track for one of their worst opens since the financial crisis of 2008.
793  Economy / Speculation / Better Sell... on: August 24, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
AAPL -10%
NFLX -16%
IXIC -8%
DJI -4%
BHP -8%
BRK.B -6%
BP -7%

Better sell *everything* and buy buttcoins.
794  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 24, 2015, 01:14:09 PM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!

Following the longest chain isn't the same as following the longest *valid* chain.

Bitcoin gave its first movers tremendous advantages.  XT gives its first movers tremendous disadvantages.

Defect from the socioeconomic majority at your peril.   Tongue

I've realised that taking your posts seriously was the problem. I find them much better now I view them as light entertainment. I can't believe I was so naive as to fall for it before! Still we can't always be perfect Smiley

talking about your post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=800330.0

noob. Roll Eyes

To talk about my post you have to first read it (beyond the title that is specifically designed to catch out simpletons) and then understand it. You are going to struggle with that second part I can tell.

oh and its "n00b!"
795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 24, 2015, 12:49:15 PM
This is a great illustration of the attack on core.  The so-called "75% attack", carried out in broad daylight with great pride.

As opposed to the Blockstream minority trojan attack, carried out with great malice, in secret!

Why waste time convincing everyone when you can just subvert the key holders. Solid planTM.
796  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 24, 2015, 12:46:54 PM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!

Following the longest chain isn't the same as following the longest *valid* chain.

Bitcoin gave its first movers tremendous advantages.  XT gives its first movers tremendous disadvantages.

Defect from the socioeconomic majority at your peril.   Tongue

I've realised that taking your posts seriously was the problem. I find them much better now I view them as light entertainment. I can't believe I was so naive as to fall for it before! Still we can't always be perfect Smiley
797  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 24, 2015, 11:18:20 AM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!
798  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. [NooNooPol] on: August 24, 2015, 10:23:04 AM
The scaling debate is an open question, but it's now settled that XT is not the answer:

Doing nothing is worse.
799  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 24, 2015, 09:59:33 AM
The reasoning is flawed, the math is flawed, the whole thing is fooking flawed. No way btc is going to be worth more than $500-$600 at most. Unless the Chinese gov't totally goes bananas and unban it.

is it banned?
800  Economy / Speculation / Re: [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 months from now on: August 23, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
I am wondering if this chart will also hold relevance for Monero and any other successful 2.0 cryptos going forward. 
 
Make no mistake, I am still following the logic and patterns behind this prediction even if the timing wasn't quite accurate.  There's something compelling and logical about the way this would go down, and I still hear sgbett's words which I think will prove true in retrospect, "how else could it possibly happen?"   
 
sgbett, I have no idea how you wouldn't have heard of Monero by now but I humbly suggest you look into it.

I have heard of it. It's interesting don't know if it's a bitcoin killer. Or if the two would co-exist.

I think the future of crypto will be mostly affected by how the world economy unfolds. The markets look shaky. Global banks running out of options? Or maybe everything will blow over and crypto will remain niche for decades...
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