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821  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinica - Advanced Bitcoin Trading Platform on: December 22, 2011, 05:06:32 AM
This is not a good sign....... Site down.

I was having the same problem. It's a DNS issue. Change your DNS server or connect using IP. http://50.56.4.62/
Is there a bitcoinica.bit?

There is, but I haven't configured it.

I don't use NameCoin personally.
822  Economy / Marketplace / Good News: Bitcoinica's Mt. Gox code withdrawal problem has been solved on: December 22, 2011, 04:06:14 AM
I'm happy to announce that Bitcoinica users don't have to wait in line for Mt. Gox code withdrawals any more.

The new version of the mtgox Ruby gem (0.7.2) now supports Mt. Gox's key-secret API authentication, which means that any account protected by Yubikey can still utilize the "very secure" API authentication to withdraw. As a result, now Bitcoinica users can withdraw using a *verified* account with a much larger withdrawal limits.

However, the "manual approval" feature is still there. Large withdrawals are subject to manual approval (usually within a few hours). Most users won't ever hit the threshold.

Thank you for your support!
823  Economy / Speculation / Re: For transparency... on: December 21, 2011, 10:06:11 AM
How can we see it when we are logged in?

Option 1: Open another browser.

Option 2: If you're logged in to https://www.bitcoinica.com, try https://bitcoinica.com/, or vice versa.

824  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 08:15:18 AM
the_joint,

Welcome to Bitcoinica! I will send you the f**king 5 BTC to your account for you to start trading. You made a pretty great guess!

(This is off-topic forum, so I posted this off-topic stuff.)



That's unique...are you offering me a 5 BTC account as a promo or something?  If you genuinely think I deserve it, then I really want to thank you, but I only truly care about the original 5 BTC.  It is up to you.

In either case, you are very kind.

I understand what the original 5 BTC means to you. But well, why can't there be a tie? You deserve it as much as Goat did, and old_engineer wasn't wrong at all to give out only 5 BTC for the contest.

Just post your username and I will send 5 BTC to you immediately. If you don't want to trade on Bitcoinica or don't like it, just withdraw it right away. :-)

How very generous of you!

dfjJ3-cnapd@  is my username. 

I have credited the 5 BTC to you.

Thanks!
825  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many of you have been Zhoutonged? on: December 21, 2011, 08:12:46 AM
Let me get this correct... So when the price spiked up and people were trading on Mt.Gox at $4.5,  Zhoutong's genius matching algorithm put the buy price at a $1 spread and force liquidate people's position at $4.9 Huh??  Angry

So when all these forced buy bitcoins are actually bought in Mt.Gox market at any price around $4.1-4.5, the all difference goes into Bitcoinica's pocket?

I've been Zhoutonged good!!!

Can you send an email to support@bitcoinica.com about this? We'd like to compensate you on this.

While it's true that our algorithm sets the price by balancing and predicting the benefit and the risk, after all the trading, there's no point of predicting, and we can clearly see that the prediction was wrong. So we are perfectly okay to refund you the "unexpected profit" we made from you.

I hope this explanation makes sense.

to be honest, i don't see any explanation as to why or how you determined "unexpected profits".


If we liquidated the customer's assets at $4.50 but we charged the customer $4.90 for it, I would say $0.35-$0.39 should be the unexpected profit.

On the other hand, if the customer's assets shouldn't be liquidated at the price of $4.50 instead of $4.90, the better solution is to reverse it.

how did your algorithm make this mistake?

At the point of $4.50, there were a lot of forced liquidations, stop orders and market buy orders, and there's almost no depth beyond the price until $4.90. So the algorithm decided that the price should be set at $4.90 to minimize the risk for Bitcoinica based on the actual situations.

Then there are sell orders and price decreased, so the algorithm relaxed and lowered the spread. And the previous high were proven wrong.

It's important to know that currently we always have a chain of forced liquidations, because forced liquidations will push the price to trigger more forced liquidations. We will just make sure that they are fully hedged in the market and the prices are reasonable.
826  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 03:12:50 AM
the_joint,

Welcome to Bitcoinica! I will send you the f**king 5 BTC to your account for you to start trading. You made a pretty great guess!

(This is off-topic forum, so I posted this off-topic stuff.)



That's unique...are you offering me a 5 BTC account as a promo or something?  If you genuinely think I deserve it, then I really want to thank you, but I only truly care about the original 5 BTC.  It is up to you.

In either case, you are very kind.

I understand what the original 5 BTC means to you. But well, why can't there be a tie? You deserve it as much as Goat did, and old_engineer wasn't wrong at all to give out only 5 BTC for the contest.

Just post your username and I will send 5 BTC to you immediately. If you don't want to trade on Bitcoinica or don't like it, just withdraw it right away. :-)
827  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 03:00:27 AM
the_joint,

Welcome to Bitcoinica! I will send you the f**king 5 BTC to your account for you to start trading. You made a pretty great guess!

(This is off-topic forum, so I posted this off-topic stuff.)

828  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Blast from the past! Mtgox: Promises and Reality on: December 21, 2011, 02:52:27 AM
it hasn't even been a year.

Please explain to me how something like margin trading takes more than a year.  In fact, mtgox was so slow that zhoutong went ahead and made Bitcoinica.

Now mtgox wants to reverse the effects of their incompetence by blocking Bitcoinica from timely withdrawals.

Seriously, if I work at Mt. Gox, I wouldn't be able to finish margin trading in a year. Mt. Gox has a very professional trading engine and I don't know how to add margin trading facility effectively.

That's why Bitcoinica is not an exchange and will never be. I initially had the idea of Bitcoinica on September 3, shared with a few friends, and then launched on September 9.
829  Economy / Speculation / For transparency... on: December 21, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
As requested by some of you, the hedging data is now available on Bitcoinica home page.

Now you can know the percentage of Bitcoinica trades that were hedged at Mt. Gox in the last 24 hours. Please be reminded that this may not be 100% accurate as some orders can remain "open" when the prices are changing too quickly.

Available on https://www.bitcoinica.com/.

We have a very useful feature coming soon this week. Stay tuned!
830  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many of you have been Zhoutonged? on: December 21, 2011, 02:18:19 AM
Let me get this correct... So when the price spiked up and people were trading on Mt.Gox at $4.5,  Zhoutong's genius matching algorithm put the buy price at a $1 spread and force liquidate people's position at $4.9 Huh??  Angry

So when all these forced buy bitcoins are actually bought in Mt.Gox market at any price around $4.1-4.5, the all difference goes into Bitcoinica's pocket?

I've been Zhoutonged good!!!

Can you send an email to support@bitcoinica.com about this? We'd like to compensate you on this.

While it's true that our algorithm sets the price by balancing and predicting the benefit and the risk, after all the trading, there's no point of predicting, and we can clearly see that the prediction was wrong. So we are perfectly okay to refund you the "unexpected profit" we made from you.

I hope this explanation makes sense.

to be honest, i don't see any explanation as to why or how you determined "unexpected profits".


If we liquidated the customer's assets at $4.50 but we charged the customer $4.90 for it, I would say $0.35-$0.39 should be the unexpected profit.

On the other hand, if the customer's assets shouldn't be liquidated at the price of $4.50 instead of $4.90, the better solution is to reverse it.
831  Economy / Speculation / Re: What's the least costly way to cash out of Bitcoinica? on: December 21, 2011, 02:08:04 AM
I just acquired a nice wad of USD in a Bitcoinica account. Can anyone suggest the cheapest way to get it to a place where I can do an ACH transfer of it or perhaps just turn it into purchasing power in something like PayPal?

Thanks for your input.


Mt. Gox code is good if you have a Mt. Gox account.

Wire Transfer is also cool. Super fast transfer (most customers receive funds on the next working day). The fee is $30 SGD or about $23 USD flat.
832  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many of you have been Zhoutonged? on: December 21, 2011, 02:05:07 AM
Let me get this correct... So when the price spiked up and people were trading on Mt.Gox at $4.5,  Zhoutong's genius matching algorithm put the buy price at a $1 spread and force liquidate people's position at $4.9 Huh??  Angry

So when all these forced buy bitcoins are actually bought in Mt.Gox market at any price around $4.1-4.5, the all difference goes into Bitcoinica's pocket?

I've been Zhoutonged good!!!

Can you send an email to support@bitcoinica.com about this? We'd like to compensate you on this.

While it's true that our algorithm sets the price by balancing and predicting the benefit and the risk, after all the trading, there's no point of predicting, and we can clearly see that the prediction was wrong. So we are perfectly okay to refund you the "unexpected profit" we made from you.

I hope this explanation makes sense.

come one come all, Zhoutong proposes to refund you all?

Actually I did reverse/refund those obviously inaccurate forced liquidations. But it just happens that some were missing (excuse me hundreds of orders come at once).
833  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many of you have been Zhoutonged? on: December 21, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
Let me get this correct... So when the price spiked up and people were trading on Mt.Gox at $4.5,  Zhoutong's genius matching algorithm put the buy price at a $1 spread and force liquidate people's position at $4.9 Huh??  Angry

So when all these forced buy bitcoins are actually bought in Mt.Gox market at any price around $4.1-4.5, the all difference goes into Bitcoinica's pocket?

I've been Zhoutonged good!!!

Can you send an email to support@bitcoinica.com about this? We'd like to compensate you on this.

While it's true that our algorithm sets the price by balancing and predicting the benefit and the risk, after all the trading, there's no point of predicting, and we can clearly see that the prediction was wrong. So we are perfectly okay to refund you the "unexpected profit" we made from you.

I hope this explanation makes sense.
834  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinica - Advanced Bitcoin Trading Platform on: December 20, 2011, 11:57:06 PM
Zhou, have you changed the way Trailing stops work? Because they don't seem to be trailing...
+1
they're not moving for me either Sad

I will check the code and see if everything is right. Perhaps I broke something since the last minor update. I apologize in advance!
835  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many of you have been Zhoutonged? on: December 20, 2011, 05:57:54 AM
How many?

A lot, seriously.
836  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica not processing orders? on: December 20, 2011, 05:23:37 AM
you are probably lucky your Market BUY orders didn't trigger on the moment it broke above 4.00.  Zhou, I assume you are taking the other side of every trade on your site?  So you are selling to people at 4.77?



We are not trading against our customers. There's seriously no depth above $4 at that time compared to the massive forced liquidations. Bitcoinica, as a market maker, has to offer guaranteed liquidity on the price displayed. There's simply no better price to offer according to our algorithm.

We have recovered all the inaccurate forced liquidations as a result of this spike.
837  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica not processing orders? on: December 20, 2011, 04:15:31 AM
Does anyone else have a problem with Bitcoinica not processing market orders? Mine has been waiting for 9 minutes now

Sorry for the problem. Just now someone used API to spam us with tiny orders, and unfortunately our matching algorithm spent a long time processing them.

I have already optimized the code to process orders on user-by-user basis so similar things won't happen again.

Thank you for trading at Bitcoinica!
838  Economy / Marketplace / Re: This is why Bitcoinica users must wait in line for withdrawals on: December 18, 2011, 05:18:23 AM
FWIW, you can search for the corporate status of Xwaylab here:

https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

It looks like the registration was done via this online corporation factory:

http://www.incorporate.com/business_structures.html

The paperwork is up to date.  With no offense intended to zhaotong, if this corp was just formed by a minor who (as I understand it) is a foreign national on some $99 website, I'd question the actual validity of the corporation itself.  A minor can basically disaffirm any contract, saying they didn't know what they were signing.

MtGox's legal concerns are legitimate.

Also, I'm not hiding anything. In Bitcoin community basically we rely on personal trust and reputation a lot. The legal backing is just an extra enforcement. You don't have to trust my company more than myself.
839  Economy / Marketplace / Re: This is why Bitcoinica users must wait in line for withdrawals on: December 18, 2011, 05:16:06 AM
FWIW, you can search for the corporate status of Xwaylab here:

https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

It looks like the registration was done via this online corporation factory:

http://www.incorporate.com/business_structures.html

The paperwork is up to date.  With no offense intended to zhaotong, if this corp was just formed by a minor who (as I understand it) is a foreign national on some $99 website, I'd question the actual validity of the corporation itself.  A minor can basically disaffirm any contract, saying they didn't know what they were signing.

MtGox's legal concerns are legitimate.

In Delaware, any corporation must have a registered agent. You simply can't incorporate elsewhere other than "a $99 website". Also, all the personal information is held by the registered agent instead of the state office. It's the partner's responsibility to ensure my eligibility to commit and enforce a contract, not the state's.

840  Economy / Speculation / Re: This lack of volatility almost makes Bitcoin look... civilized on: December 18, 2011, 05:07:21 AM
This is definitely remarkable, but I'm sure it's temporary too.

Bitcoin can almost never gain stability unless: 1) the price rises to above $100, or 2) it dies.

The potential instability is still there until the price is high enough to push market cap to an astronomical number.
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