For the record, this is the least technical discussion I've ever taken part in. Ever hear the story of the chess playing pigeon? It just shits all over the board and struts around like it won something.  Then why not try stating something worthy of technical discussion? Assuming that you are capable of that then there is no reason we can't actually make this topic have some technical point (so far it has just been politics). |
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To clarify, you're responding to a two-part question:
1. Do you concede that there is, indeed, possible conflict of interests (Y/N)
2. [Are we now] discussing the mechanics of mitigating it? (Y/N)
There are always possible conflicts of interest (I have never stated there couldn't be). We can discuss that provided you stop wanting Gavin to control things (so if we are arguing a solution for "both sides" then Gavin is excluded from leadership for a start). |
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Gold is used as heat shielding in both performance machines and satellites.
It is used for mirrors in space telescopes.
It is used as a coating on electronics to prevent corrosion.
It is used for jewelry and decoration.
It is used in heat reflecting windows.
It is used to reflect electromagnetic radiation in military jets.
In fact, It has lots of unique use cases, but cost limits its use.
But why is that every time we have a financial crisis gold goes up in value? (hint - it isn't for any of the above reasons) |
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If Gavin would agree to simply have "no power" then I would support him (you and I both know that he will never do that as he only cares about taking control and doesn't care if he destroys Bitcoin in the process of trying to do so).
Ass. Ass? I see - you are resorting to insults now - guess I've beaten you then. Next? |
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If Gavin would agree to simply have "no power" then I would support him (you and I both know that he will never do that as he only cares about taking control and doesn't care if he destroys Bitcoin in the process of trying to do so).
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That is not an answer. If you want to be treated like an adult then please behave like one (you are behaving like a silly child right now). |
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Gold was useful first. Why do you think it became money. Have a look at the periodic table if you still think gold is just a shiny metal.
Then you agree it is not useful now. But it still has its value - how? Drugs and gambling and capital flight from China is great. Is that really your sole ambition for Bitcoin?
What on earth are you on about (when have I ever promoted the use of Bitcoin for drugs or capital flight)? |
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Do you concede that there is, indeed, possible conflict of interests, and we're onto discussing the mechanics of mitigating it?
By letting Gavin take over? If you have a serious suggestion (other than that) then let's hear it. |
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It needs to be useful as money first.
No it doesn't - gold isn't very useful "as money" yet it is still extremely useful as a store of value (same with other precious metals and minerals). Bitcoin has never been as easy to use a conventional things like credit cards (and still isn't) so if your argument is about usability then Bitcoin should have already failed. |
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At the end of the day we don't even need Bitcoin to scale in order to have a "store of value" (do we really need to revisit the stupid "coffees" argument again?).
So there is no rush (unless you are Gavin who knows that his chance to "become dictator" again is running out rapidly).
If you are just "so impatient" to do more txs might I suggest that you try Litecoin or another alt?
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This is ridiculous. Gavin gave up his role as benevolent dictator. Who do you think dished out all the commit access in the first place?
Likely a move he has now regretted (as he is clearly trying to get back this power). The man honestly believes that different implementations are the right way to go about decentralizing all the things. He might be wrong, but to (yet again) suggest he's illintentioned is bad faith at best.
If he was serious then he wouldn't just switch from XT to Classic in a matter of weeks and not even bother turning up to Hong Kong to discuss capacity scaling, etc. It is hard to imagine that he is not trying to destroy the project when he refuses to communicate with anyone involved (and instead runs around trying to get a hard-fork to happen with as little as 75% consensus). How on earth can you put a positive spin on his behaviour since he left? |
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Is that all FUD or should we be concerned bitcoin has been co-opted by corporate interests?
It is FUD and he is being paid to post it. |
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I think it's pretty disingenuous at this point to suggest that any of these guys don't want what's best for Bitcoin. They just don't/can't/won't agree on what that is.
The strategy of Gavin is to say "we need to change right now so give me control of the project with this simple but nasty hack" whereas the strategy of the core devs is we are building proper scalability solutions and have a plan. I'd say that the plan is the better way forward (and I'm not even being paid for saying this - shame on me). |
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Saying that blockstream is 'just another company' is so obviously incorrect, its ridiculous.
To me it just shows how deep your bias is and that you'll argue even the dumbest points
to try to support your position.
But that is *exactly* what you are doing as Gavin is being backed by companies as well (he just doesn't disclose as honestly as the core devs do which is apparently something that you think he should get away with and that they should be punished for). |
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Read the above article very very carefully and ask yourself who controls development of the "parent chain."  Who pays Gavin to try and take over Bitcoin? Or do you think he is some sort of "white knight" coming to save the project for nothing? |
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I think one of the implications here is that you should have better known better in the first place.
As a courtesy to you I have deleted the post in question. |
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How do you explain the fact that China has so few full nodes?
The GCF (Great Chinese Firewall) makes it basically impossible to run a full-node without using a proxy and that is not something that most people in China even know how to do. For mining they are basically using SPV in order to get blocks solved as fast as possible (it isn't great and has been shown to cause forks but the profit motive from mining is the main concern in China - not "being a good citizen"). |
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No he can't. No one can. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Again - if you think I've "overstepped the mark" then report my posts to the mods (I'll have no problem at all if they decide to delete them). |
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You're not being fair to those who gave you this information, you're not being fair to Gavin, and you're not being fair to anyone reading your unsubstantiated attacks against him.
Okay - I will not say anything more about Gavin in terms of a personal attack then (if you think my previous posts should be deleted then please report them to a moderator who can decide). Also Gavin still has an account on this forum so he can always defend himself if he wants to. |
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Your personal attacks on my character remind me of the time you tried to extort the forum and blame it on your wife. Remember that?
You can try and troll me all you like - but it isn't going to work. I am not the only forum member that is now actively posting to try and protect Bitcoin from the reckless approach that Gavin is using in order to try and wrest political control from the project. Luckily I think that once Gavin has tried one or two times more he will find it hard to actually garner any further support and will disappear. |
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