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9081  Other / Off-topic / Re: Free merchant accounts for everybody! Square gets $27.5 million funding on: January 25, 2011, 08:29:08 AM
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Square’s focusing on the unserved – folks like you and I who have iPhones in our pockets and/or iPads in our backpacks – but who can’t get traditional merchant accounts. Square’s willing to take us in and allow us to accept credit/debit cards on our mobile devices. Voila, suddenly things begin to happen.
 http://paymentsviews.com/2011/01/22/innovations-in-card-acceptance/

Willing to take us in?  How noble of them.
9082  Economy / Marketplace / Re: The Bitcoin Times on: January 25, 2011, 12:26:31 AM
I periodically check to see what is being said in the Local forums for the non-English languages.  Though I only can read posts written in English, viewing those forums is trivial thanks to modern browsers (e.g.,  Chrome) which translate -- however doing so is time consuming and often there appears to be much lost in the translation.

If anyone is wondering what they might contribute to the Bitcoin Times and happens to be multilingual, even just a paragraph or three highlighting the best of what was found in those forums over the past week would be something I would find quite worthwhile.
9083  Economy / Marketplace / Re: help wanted on: January 24, 2011, 11:14:22 PM
Yes, it's a scam, ... but it's making money!  0.1 BTC so far.

  http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Jv3APkm3APMHexVGVzxCk4NCGUy4Csm67
9084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Hard Digital Currency versus Soft Digital Currency on: January 24, 2011, 10:03:38 PM
I had not seen the term "hard digital currency" used before, but this article describes it as:
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With hard digital currencies, in contrast, there is no debt created when the currency is issued.

Soft digital currency, in contrast, allows payments to be reversed if accusations of fraud are involved.

[...] Credit card and PayPal transactions can be considered soft digital currency transactions.

[...] Decentralized systems are being developed which have not yet proven their effectiveness, and consist of peer-to-peer systems.

   http://www.finance-weblog.com/86193367/what_is_digital_currency.php


It is a good read.
9085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin topic on Quora.com on: January 24, 2011, 01:04:34 AM
This just occurred to me.  The existing 150 Ghash/s network costs just $144 per hour.

Interesting when one considers it that way.  So what about a parallel currency whose exchange rate is being subsidized such that mining the new parallel currency is more profitable than mining Bitcoin currently is?

In other words can enough of Bitcoin's miners be seduced into switching to a new parallel currency such that Bitcoin becomes vulnerable?

Maybe that quora question's part 3 (#3. Competition) merits further discussion?
9086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin topic on Quora.com on: January 24, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
This just occurred to me.  The existing 150 Ghash/s network costs just $144 per hour.

There were 165 blocks created in the past 24 hours (per Bitcoin Watch) and each earned 50 BTC.  That means 8,250 BTC were paid to those mining.  At BTC/USD currently at $0.42 each, that's $3,465 per day that is paid for a network that will do 150 Ghash/s.

So why does Amazon charge seventy times as much?   :-)
9087  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: January 23, 2011, 11:41:04 PM
What method is used then?

The last price as-of 11:59:59 PM using NAT (Nome -Bering Time) -- a timezone that is GMT-11 I believe? http://www.timezonecheck.com/
9088  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin topic on Quora.com on: January 23, 2011, 01:57:51 AM
I just edited it and corrected some details such as the hypothesis of "stealing" BTCs with the hypothesis of double-spending BTCs.

Heh, ... composing answers, collaborative / wiki style against questions that evolve based on the answers being composed.
9089  Other / Off-topic / Re: good books on: January 22, 2011, 11:32:30 PM
[edited]
Once yours is online, you might wish to add it to the selection of Bitcoin-related Blogs: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:Blogs

if anyone wishes to guest blog, I'll consider publishing submissions on either of the two collaborative blogs that I edit, Bitcoin Money and Bitcoin Miner:

  http://www.bitcoinmoney.com  General and Financial topics
  Submit: http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/submit

  http://www.bitcoinminer.com
  Submit: http://www.bitcoinminer.com/submit
9090  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin topic on Quora.com on: January 22, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
I'ld like to create a community response to the post.

I set up a collaborative editing pad:
   http://meetingwords.com/GO5tVHslbz

Following is my stab at a response.  Anyone care to make it better?  I'll paste the community response on the Quora post at a later time.


Community response to:
  http://www.quora.com/Is-Bitcoin-doomed-to-fail


Is Bitcoin doomed to fail?

> 1.) Technical
> it would require ~2k CPUs for 1h to steal 5M BTC.

Let's do the math.
 - Amazon Quadruple Extra Large Cluster Compute Instance $2.10 per hour. http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
 - That instance is 2 NVIDIA M2050s, or about 32 Mhash/s per https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.msg26185#msg26185

The currenty network is about 150 Ghash/s.  To get 50% of current network hashing, that means you'ld need to match that amount.
That's 4,688 of those XL Cluster instances.  Hey ... that's just under $10,000 for the hour.

Whether or not that amount of capacity is available to just spin up is unlikely however.  49.9% of the hashing strength won't be enough.

So if you take over the network, what does that let you do?

Yes, there are over 5 million bitcoins that exist, but they aren't yours to spend.  You can try to accumulate bitcoin and then double spend once you have control of the network.  Assuming you start sending those to Mt. Gox and other exchanges in hopes of double spending, its quite likely the combination of a ramp in the number of nodes plus an influx of bitcoin funding by the exchanges wouldn't go unnoticed.

Amazon is likely to be the only one likely to profit from such an attempt.

> 2.) Legal
> BTC will represent a deadly threat for a national state, and that they would react accordingly using their full moral, legal, judiciary, police, military, PR, press powers to shut down such a threat.

Governments could make trade using bitcoins difficult, that is true.  If they make it a crime to trade with bitcoins only criminals will trade bitcoins, or something to that effect is how the saying goes.

> 3) Competition
> the lock-in power of such network is extremely low, and the entry barrier for competitors is also very low

There already is competition.  Testnet Bitcoin is a live, functioning parallel currency.  Today you can mine for it, exchange it .. it even trades on Bitcoin-OTC!  But you might want to think twice.  Because it is not protected by 150 Ghash/s like Bitcoin currency is, it is rather vulnerable at this stage.  There will be competition at some point, certainly.

> 4) Community
> infiltrate the community of developers in order to push their own agendas

Bitcoin is open source and runs on open protocols.  Let the best fork win.
9091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Make your "we accept Bitcoin" logo on: January 22, 2011, 08:37:19 PM
Are there more variations for promoting bitcoin?

I created this using the DIY Dotty Dots tool.

9092  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Willing to pay clickers on: January 22, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
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So, what industry will be the first to get clobbered by bitcoin?

CPC advertising is one that is quite vulnerable to anonymity + micropayments + remote workforce.

 / me thinks it might be a good time to reconsider using CPC advertising.   :-)
9093  Economy / Marketplace / Re: What is the best data for BTC-USD conversion rates? on: January 21, 2011, 06:11:26 PM
I look at bitcoincharts.com, which I think covers the main exchanges. But the Mt. Gox price there is what I look at the most, as it looks to me to have the most volume.

Of course, if you believe the price shown at Mt. Gox reflects the scarcity of LRUSD more so than it reflects the market price of bitcoins, then that source of data is not terribly useful:
  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2903.msg40006#msg40006
9094  Economy / Economics / Re: Efficient Market Hypothesis on: January 21, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
I doubt most people here have their life savings in bitcoin.

But I don't doubt there are many here whose only life saving are in bitcoins.
9095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which countries have the cheapest electricity? on: January 21, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
In the UK there are alternatives to the standard residential fee structure. One of those provides very cheap off-peak electricity in exchange for slightly increased peak prices. For most people it's not a good deal, but for someone who wanted to use their computer normally in the day but mine all night it would be perfect.

For consumer use, time-of-use pricing would provide a nice benefit. [edited]

When equipment is dedicated for mining -- as long as the cost of peak electricity is below the revenue from mining during that same period of time, mining will not likely be curtailed for any part of the day whatsoever.

Time-of-use electric pricing irrelevant — Mining is 24x7:   http://www.bitcoinminer.com/post/2858427974/time-of-use-pricing
9096  Other / Off-topic / Are You KIDDING PayPal? [Community Help Forum] on: January 21, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
A Google search returned the following.   The original post on PayPal's Community Help Forum has since been deleted, but fortunately there is Google Webcache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1M9nMVSIq90J:https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Account-limits-and-verification/Are-You-KIDDING-PayPal/td-p/173790+bitcoin&cd=174

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Are You KIDDING PayPal?!
Jan-16-2011 08:50 PM

This is the 3rd or 4th time in the last YEAR this has happened to me, PayPal decides it's funny to put my account on temporary holds for receiving funds. I have no history of bad business, I have no history of disputes, yet they keep putting it on hold over and over again. This is getting annoying. How do you expect me to get money from family and friends and pay bills when my account is constantly being watched over and everything is thrown into pending?
 
I understand that you want to protect from disputes so there is no threat to your PRECIOUS REPUTATION, but do you REALLY think that throwing peoples accounts into pending is going to make us want to use you? This is EXACTLY why people are looking into other payment methods like BitCoin and Moneybookers. PayPal's irresponsibility and dominating monopoly-esque regime over the online payment industry is going too far, and they're overstepping boundaries they have no right overstepping. Who are they to decide who can do what at any given time? You've built up such a monopoly that it's no longer possible to use anything but PayPal. If it was up to me, PayPal would've been shut down ages ago.
 
Unprofessional, rude, and arrogant are all words that fit into the PayPal business structure. I hope PayPal goes down in history as one of the biggest shams of all time.
 [Emphasis added]
9097  Economy / Economics / Re: As long as the music is playing, you've got to get up and dance. on: January 21, 2011, 04:35:43 AM
Then again, they got nothing on Bitcoin:


At this moment, Bitcon's money stock is 5,188,550 BTC (103,771 blocks, each of which had 50 BTC generated), ... is that Bitcoin's M0?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply
9098  Economy / Economics / As long as the music is playing, you've got to get up and dance. on: January 21, 2011, 04:19:58 AM
We're still dancing!

Late 2009 through 2011 YTD

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/m2-update-1



http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_(economics)#Empirical_measures

The title of this thread is a quote courtesy of former Citigroup Inc. Chief Executive Charles Prince who said that in July 2007, shortly before the complete meltdown of our financial system:
  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aBBDg8lSUmrM

9099  Economy / Economics / Re: Efficient Market Hypothesis on: January 21, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Thus there is an imbalance between the supply of one commodity (bitcoins) and the supply of the exchange medium (LRUSD)

At this phase, insufficient access to LRUSD (the common denominator for trading) is Bitcoin's Achilles' heel.
  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2436.msg32962#msg32962
9100  Other / Off-topic / Re: Starbucks launches largest mobile payment program in the US on: January 21, 2011, 01:11:51 AM

from: http://www.psfk.com/2011/01/starbucks-makes-life-on-the-go-even-easier.html
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