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8721  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: UX for bitcoin address field on: April 25, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
Here's a specific example of why I ask this:
  MtGox withdrawal issues
  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6511.msg95327#msg95327
8722  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / UX for bitcoin address field on: April 25, 2011, 10:11:47 PM
The user experience for pasting to the bitcoin address input field in a web form varies widely across Bitcoin's growing presence on exchanges, merchant sites,  blogs, etc.

Is it appropriate to massage the value that was input?  e.g., to strip out leading blank space character, or a trailing linefeed, etc?

Or are there any other tips regarding the UX for this field?
8723  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the NSA on: April 25, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
Related discussion here:
  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2699.0
8724  Economy / Marketplace / Re: MtGox withdrawal issues on: April 25, 2011, 07:55:58 PM
why would my receiving BTC addresses from my client be getting an "invalid bitcoin address" error over at MtGox for under $1K?  BTC client is actively generating BTC's so i know its connected to the network.  owners of MtGox aren't responding via email.

That is the message that I've seen on other sites when the bitcoin daemon had not been responding.  I just tested BTC withdrawal and was successful.  Does your problem persist?

Though it appears Mt. Gox site does a good job of sanitizing input to ignore spaces or other extraneous characters, I've seen a similar problem when copying a bitcoin address from a browser page that when pasted included characters that were not visitble nor were they part of the bitcoin address but as a result the "invalid address message" was shown.  To resolve that situation, I pasted the address in notepad and then did copy once again of the bitcoin address from notepad which was then "clean".
8725  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Week In Bitcoin - Apr 18 through Apr 24, 2011 on: April 25, 2011, 08:06:23 AM
Sunday, Apr 24th, 2011

  • Article / Blog post:
    Is the bitconomy the frontier of economic innovation? by Duane Jonson, @CanadaDuane
    “One could say that while we live in a political democracy, we live in an economic aristocracy.”
    “One of the central questions of the French Revolution and earlier the American Revolution was, “Can a society exist, or even thrive without a king?”
    - http://bit.ly/eKHNk3
  • New software: Moneychanger, a reference implementation (experimental only) of a currency accounting application that accesses the Open Transactions API.  Plans for the app include Bitcoin integration to support Bitcoin as one of the currencies used as backing in a currency trading system or payment network.
    - http://github.com/FellowTraveler/Moneychanger
    - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Moneychanger
  • New Bitcoin-specific Job board and Freelancer listings: Bitcoiners
    Listings include jobs that pay using Bitcoins and a directory of freelancers showing their availability and qualifications.
    - http://www.bitcoiners.org
    - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoiners
  • Bay area finally warms up to Bitcoin?
    Silicon Valley Bitcoin Users meetup group in Sunnyvale schedules first meeting, and the San Francisco group is forming.  Meetup.com shows six groups now, including NYC, D.C., Chicago, L.A., Tokyo
    - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6389.0
    - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Community_portal#Events
  • s3052’s Bitcoin Market Technical Analysis (updates)
    “Both [linear and log scale] charts show how bitcoin perfectly follows textbook like chart patterns.”
    “The likelihood is high that we see continued rises (after pausing a couple of days [sideways]).”
    - http://bit.ly/gc0YvF
    Short term: “Another bullish triangle has formed over the last 2 days. Another test [of the $1.95 record level] or breakout above 2 $ possible.”
    - http://bit.ly/fd8o7M



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8726  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could bitcoin fail? on: April 25, 2011, 07:55:52 AM

[...] I just want to give bitcoin a try, even if it might be risky.  I just don't want to hoard any national currency any more.

Someone wrote somewhere something like :  "Current financial system is completely messed up.  Give geeks a chance."

That's along the same lines as the message from this article by Duane Johnson:
Quote
This also happens to explain why the the left is correct to want regulation, while at the same time the right is correct to want deregulation--when the system itself is flawed, it seems that we need both more and less regulation.
  Is the bitconomy the frontier of economic innovation? #bitcoin
  http://canadaduane.posterous.com/is-the-bitconomy-the-frontier-of-economic-inn

8727  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: April 25, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
So, what I think will happen, is after the US government has cleared it with all the lobbyists and other people of importance, they'll do a domain name seizure of mtgox.com, as well as some other sites, probably 3 to 6 months from now. Then, all the commercial vendors that accept bitcoin will start to dry up, rather then be targeted.

What do you guys think?

Worked for poker, right?
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/86247.html
8728  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: concern for bitcoin and the environment on: April 25, 2011, 02:34:23 AM
From the Bitcoin Myths page:

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Myth: Bitcoin mining is a waste of energy and harmful for ecology

No more so than the the wastefulness of mining gold out of the ground, melting it down and shaping it into bars, and then putting it back underground again. Not to mention the building of big fancy buildings, the waste of energy printing and minting all the various fiat currencies, the transportation thereof in armored cars by no less than two security guards for each who could probably be doing something more productive, etc.
As far as mediums of exchange go, bitcoin is actually quite economical of resources, compared to others.
 http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_mining_is_a_waste_of_energy_and_harmful_for_ecology

Would you be able to suggest an alternative computational task such that cheating would have no bearing on performance?  Without that, mining activity would neglect the tasks that don't provide the highest return.

[edited]
8729  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Sharing Economy - Fast Company article on: April 24, 2011, 07:17:23 PM
Another article, similar message:
  The Emerging, Collaborative Economy
  http://www.smartmobs.com/2011/04/24/the-emerging-collaborative-economy

8730  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What does Wal-Mart want? on: April 24, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
A payments industry expert from Glenbrook wrote her summary of the NACHA Payments 2011 conference:
  http://paymentsviews.com/2011/04/06/reflections-on-nacha-payments-2011

Included was a description of what Wal-Mart wants to see from the bank ACH network:

  • same-day ACH clearing (mandatory as opposed to opt-in)
  • same day credits
  • mobile payments
  • corporate eChecks (push ACH transactions)

Looks like Walmart might like Bitcoin?

Incidentally.  Most bitcoins purchased using PayPal, Dwolla and PopMoney today do result in an ACH transaction.  I'm not sure how many people selling bitcoins and receiving funds in PayPal, Dwolla, etc, then withdraw to their bank afterwards though.

There's plenty of this type of P2P payments activity on #bitcoin-otc:
  http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=paypal
  http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=dwolla


Also mentioned in the article was FedGlobal ACH payments:

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International ACH is not intended to replace wire transfers, but is meant to be an alternative to check payments for non-urgent, low dollar transactions to and from foreign countries. The Fed is partnering with Equens for transactions to/from Europe (SEPA) and with Arias for transactions to/from Latin America.

  http://frbservices.org/serviceofferings/fedach/fedach_international_ach_payments.html


Also from the same author was another recent article:
 Research Results: Need for Faster, Easier Cross-Border Payments
 
Quote
Participants would like to move away from reliance on wire transfer systems, especially for mid-value international payments.
http://paymentsviews.com/2011/04/04/research-results-need-for-faster-easier-cross-border-payments/

[edited]
8731  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Events - Meetups, conferences and other events on: April 24, 2011, 05:26:55 PM
Silicon Valley Bitcoin Users Meetup Group
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sunnyvale, CA

  http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Bitcoin-Users
  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6389.0  (w/ plans to start a meetup for San Francisco as well)
8732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / People v. Western Express on: April 24, 2011, 05:10:26 PM
Interesting:

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A NY Appellate Court significantly weakened the “structure” and “hierarchy” required for an enterprise under the OCCA. 

In the case of People v. Western Express, Judge David Saxe, writing for a divided court in the First Department (the Appellate Court in NY that handles cases from Manhattan and the Bronx) found that an internet forum that handled transactions for identity thieves was a criminal enterprise even though there was no connection between the thieves and the forum.

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While Western Express offered a variety of legitimate services, such as check-cashing, mail receiving, money orders, digital currency exchange, and Russian/English translation services, it also acted as an intermediary, or “money mover,” providing credit and facilitating transactions for buyers and sellers of stolen credit card data, while earning a commission for each such transaction.

Quote
What Vassilenko did, the court said was to shape his previously legitimate business “into a hub for criminal activity geared toward maximizing its own and its participants’ profits from the theft and use of stolen credit card information and its protection from law enforcement.”

Quote
This case could have far-reaching implications if it is not reversed by the Court of Appeals.  The idea of the Penal Law is to let people know what is illegal and what ramifications you will face if you engage in certain conduct.

Quote
It is clear that courts are willing to be flexible and creative as they try and use pre-internet laws to deal with internet related activity.

- http://www.courtroomstrategy.com/2011/04/ny-court-finds-loose-affilitiation-of-cybercriminals-to-be-enterprise-under-organized-crime-act
8733  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Marketing bitcoin: morals on: April 24, 2011, 04:14:39 PM
Fairness/reciprocity: if you're an early adopter geek, start circulating your coins-- send them to MyBitcoin or MtGox and then back to yourself if you want to keep them, but make it hard to tell if there ARE any early adopter geeks holding lots of coins.  

It is kind of odd to see a post discussing morals include a recommendation to hide evidence. Tongue

That recommendation is good for another reason as well: Having those coins mixed back in increases our ability to remain anonymous when transacting with Bitcoin.
  - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity#Help_other_people_stay_anonymous

As far as how many individuals you're talking about ... its difficult to know.  For reference here's the most recent "Bitcoin top 100 'Rich List' 20th March 2011":
 - http://bitcoinreport.blogspot.com/2011/03/bitcoin-top-100-rich-list-20th-march_20.html
8734  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Week In Bitcoin - Apr 18 through Apr 24, 2011 on: April 24, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
Saturday, Apr 23rd, 2011

  • Research paper on Bitcoin (draft review):
    Bitcoin: An Innovative Alternative Digital Currency by Reuben Grinberg (Yale Law School)
    The author posts an early draft (PDF) of his paper, which examines relevant legal issues, and solicits feedback.
    “Bitcoin  may  fall  under  the  literal  definition  of  ’currency,’  but  it  is  also  unlike  the  commercial  paper  that  Congress  exempted.”
    - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6247.0
    - http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1817857
  • Event: Bitcoin Chicago Meetup Group
    Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Argo Tea, Chicago
    - http://www.meetup.com/BitcoinChicago
  • #bitcoin-otc IRC channel becomes most widely used
    Attempts to understand the frenetic trading on the exchanges caused the number of simultaneous users to reach a record 282.  #bitcoin-dev previously was the Bitcoin-related channel with the most simultaneous users.
    - http://bitcoin-otc.com
    - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc
  • New exchange: Bitcoin.com.es
    Fixed-rate exchange for buying bitcoins using bank transfer (EUR) or by depositing cash at the Spanish bank OpenBank.  Rates based on Mt. Gox and fee is 2%.
    - http://www.bitcoin.com.es
    - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin.com.es
  • Bitcoin exchange rate reaches $1.60 $1.70 $1.80 $1.94 USD on its leading exchange following a 33% 41% 50% 62.5% rise occuring over little more than 48 hours.  Trading continues, 24x7.



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8735  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Week In Bitcoin - Apr 18 through Apr 24, 2011 on: April 24, 2011, 03:33:30 PM
Friday, Apr 22nd, 2011

  • Article / Blog post in The Bitcoin Weekly:
    Expanding the Bitcoin Economy - Legitimate Businesses and Food by Vitalik Buterin
    “It is [having those who both earn and use bitcoin in significant quantities] that gives Bitcoin intrinsic value”
    - http://bit.ly/eQSQ6f
  • Video: Don’t Buy Bitcoins
    There might be worse ways to spend the next eight and a half minutes of your life.  Or not.
    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoK8HXMSsNg
    - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6311
  • Article / Blog post:
    Peer-2-Peer Digital Currency: The Long Road Ahead for FinCEN by Mark Herpel, editor of DGC
    “PayPal is an extension of the bank account it is not a digital currency”.
    “Software designers have now created, built and operate systems that do not generate any of the traditional markers needed for proper regulation”.
    “There about a half dozen of these systems operating across the Internet which are known to the public.”
    - http://bit.ly/eIl8D7
  • Article / Blog post:
    On monetary restandardization on the Unqualified Reservations blog
    “I would like to see the gold books of all governments, exchanges, and banks. Who is naked? Who is transforming maturities? It won’t happen.”
    “But Bitcoin is not centralized, so there is no way the development team can prevent exchanges from operating. These exchanges are obvious targets for numerous predatory authorities. When they are destroyed, the currency dies.”
    [Please take the time necessary this weekend to read the article in full. - editor]
    - http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-monetary-restandardization.html
  • Article / Blog post:
    Bitcoin is a thing by Tate Watkins on his blog Short Sentences
    “this [Wikileaks] example and this example alone is enough to make Bitcoin novel, interesting, and relevant, and demonstrate its use as a store of value”.
    - http://shortsentences.org/2011/04/bitcoin-is-a-thing
  • Article / Blog post: LewRockwell.com
    Poker Freedom post shows a letter by a friend of Lew’s
    “It’s taken me less than a week to set up a virtual private network (vpn) that makes it look like I’m playing from another country, acquire a foreign PO Box, …”
    - http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/86247.html



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8736  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Events - Meetups, conferences and other events on: April 24, 2011, 04:26:36 AM
Chicago Bitcoin Users Meetup
Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 8:00 PM - Chicago, IL
Argo Tea - 550 St.Clair St, Chicago, IL

  http://www.meetup.com/BitcoinChicago
8737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [closed]Transaction search on: April 24, 2011, 03:48:51 AM
Should anyone else have the same question, here are the links.

After a transaction is announced to other nodes but prior to it being included in a block, the unconfirmed transaction will be visible from the Bitcoin Charts website:
  http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin

Once a miner includes the transaction in a block, then Block Explorer can be used to show the transaction:
  http://blockexplorer.com

  Wiki article: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_Explorer
8738  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin integration with Open Transactions on: April 23, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
Open Transactions (and integration with Bitcoin) was discussed in an excellent set of podcasts from AgoristRadio:

http://agoristradio.com/?p=234

http://agoristradio.com/?p=246

[edit: and the project was announced in the forum: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6354.0 )
8739  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Marketing project ? on: April 23, 2011, 08:26:53 PM
There is a wiki category for marketing now, though it is sparse yet:
  http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:Marketing

There is an IRC channel specifically for marketing discussions:  #bitcoin-marketing on Freenode
  http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-marketing
8740  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Temporarily Banned from MtGox... how long? on: April 23, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
Not heard of that yet.

Yes, would like to know more about that.  Were you accessing it too often with a bot or something?
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