CRYPTONOTE VS SHADOWSEND SHOULD BE ON HOLD TILL MORE INFO COMES FROM SDC DEVS
Fair enough, but I keep telling you there is no "CRYPTONOTE VS SHADOWSEND" except that one particular person seems to want to make it into that. NO!! i just want you to cut it out couldn't care less for cryptonote, i bought em i dumped em now im here, why are you? Because I was discussing some technical issues about SDC and shadowsend before you starting talking about some other coins. I was also invited to have this conversation by other members of the SDC community who don't share your ugly and combative approach. Constantly repeating in every post you make how SDC is the same as cryptonote is not technical analysis it's being a broken record, you have said the same thing like 10 times, and you said you haven't even studied the code only read the white paper, you don't even have any SDC im guessing, my approach maybe "ugly and combative" but yours is smooth and sneaky like your name. |
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CRYPTONOTE VS SHADOWSEND SHOULD BE ON HOLD TILL MORE INFO COMES FROM SDC DEVS
Fair enough, but I keep telling you there is no "CRYPTONOTE VS SHADOWSEND" except that one particular person seems to want to make it into that. NO!! i just want you to cut it out couldn't care less for cryptonote, i bought em i dumped em now im here, why are you? |
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Mother of God...Sorry i just really appreciate all the hard UNPAID!! work our team has done, and refuse to give anyone credit but them untill they say it's okay to give credit to someone else, i don't think that's going to happen.
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What perplexes me is why people are bending over backward to claim that shadowsend doesn't use (something very close to the) the cryptonote design for anonymous coins. It's a great system, the best one around. Your project and developers should be congratulated for choosing it and apparently implementing it effectively.
Instead this turns into a food fight over claims of "No, it's completely new!" (which as someone else pointed out is rather silly even if it weren't incorrect with respect to cryptonote, since every single coin is copied from bitcoin) and who is supposedly advertising in your thread. Silly.
Just give cryptonote their due credit for their part of all this (which is sort of done in the white paper since they are listed as a reference) and get back to the business of building and promoting the coin.
How about we give our Devs credit because cryptonote has nothing to do with what they have doneHow about you stop posting that lie? Especially since your own devs included the cryptonote white paper as a reference in their white paper. It was somewhat questionable that they never explained how that reference relates to the rest of the paper (hint: extensively) but perhaps that was an honest oversight. But since I've explained this to you several times already, and cited specific technical details to back it up, I can only conclude that you are being deliberately dishonest. Let's hope you are the only one. Individual trolls on bitcointalk are no big deal. The rest of the SDC community seems pretty cool about the whole thing. Easy. I invited smooth yesterday to rejoin the tech convo. There clearly might be similarities between the two systems and I'm all up for comparing. At this point we await Ryno and the cryptographer Techovert who together wrote SSv2 to weigh in. CRYPTONOTE VS SHADOWSEND SHOULD BE ON HOLD TILL MORE INFO COMES FROM SDC DEVSThere is no Cryptonote vs Shadow just some guy constantly comparing them, saying they are the same, and telling us we should give them credit for something our dev team did and they had nothing to do with, I respect the hard work our dsev team has done, and giving credit to cryptonote for there hard yards and constantly comparing them is fucking rude. |
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What perplexes me is why people are bending over backward to claim that shadowsend doesn't use (something very close to the) the cryptonote design for anonymous coins. It's a great system, the best one around. Your project and developers should be congratulated for choosing it and apparently implementing it effectively.
Instead this turns into a food fight over claims of "No, it's completely new!" (which as someone else pointed out is rather silly even if it weren't incorrect with respect to cryptonote, since every single coin is copied from bitcoin) and who is supposedly advertising in your thread. Silly.
Just give cryptonote their due credit for their part of all this (which is sort of done in the white paper since they are listed as a reference) and get back to the business of building and promoting the coin.
How about we give our Devs credit because cryptonote has nothing to do with what they have doneHow about you stop posting that lie? Especially since your own devs included the cryptonote white paper as a reference in their white paper. It was somewhat questionable that they never explained how that reference relates to the rest of the paper (hint: extensively) but perhaps that was an honest oversight. But since I've explained this to you several times already, and cited specific technical details to back it up, I can only conclude that you are being deliberately dishonest. Let's hope you are the only one. Individual trolls on bitcointalk are no big deal. The rest of the SDC community seems pretty cool about the whole thing. You forget to tell me why the SDC community needs to give give credit and respect to cryptonote, what did they do for us again? And im not a troll i don't go on other coins threads i am one of the largest SDC holders and have been holding for about 4 months now, i bet you don't even own any SDC so why the interest..if it's almost exactly the same as cryptonote as you claim. |
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your name suits you smooth,smoothest most sneaky troll on btc.org, i take my hat off too you, but it's time to go back to your own thread.
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What perplexes me is why people are bending over backward to claim that shadowsend doesn't use (something very close to the) the cryptonote design for anonymous coins. It's a great system, the best one around. Your project and developers should be congratulated for choosing it and apparently implementing it effectively.
Instead this turns into a food fight over claims of "No, it's completely new!" (which as someone else pointed out is rather silly even if it weren't incorrect with respect to cryptonote, since every single coin is copied from bitcoin) and who is supposedly advertising in your thread. Silly.
Just give cryptonote their due credit for their part of all this (which is sort of done in the white paper since they are listed as a reference) and get back to the business of building and promoting the coin.
How about we give our Devs credit because cryptonote has nothing to do with what they have done and we stop talking about cryptonote coins here because SDC is not a cryptonote coin and this is the SDC thread sound good? it does to me, what perplexes me is how people make a big deal about price speculation here but they listen to this shit and say nothing, and we don't have to give cryptonote respect or credit like seriously why? give me a reason why we should give them respect and credit, what did they do for SDC again? |
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SDC is only a few months old mate this is not the final product it will be improved and right now it's as good if not better then anything else out there, that being said please stop talking about monero this is the SDC thread and everyone of your posts mentions it I mention it only in response to others who do so, particularly when the statements are incorrect. Example: with Monero this fails, i.e. person A can tell the money comes from me with a high probability.
then xmr Now you are doing it. Why? I never mentioned it once here until you started talking about it the other day anyways just seams like subtle advertisement to me, carry on, not looking for a back and forth. You probably missed this post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg9947874#msg9947874 yep sure did i don't go on that thread anymore, only here. |
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SDC is only a few months old mate this is not the final product it will be improved and right now it's as good if not better then anything else out there, that being said please stop talking about monero this is the SDC thread and everyone of your posts mentions it I mention it only in response to others who do so, particularly when the statements are incorrect. Example: with Monero this fails, i.e. person A can tell the money comes from me with a high probability.
then xmr Now you are doing it. Why? I never mentioned it once here until you started talking about it the other day anyways just seams like subtle advertisement to me, carry on, not looking for a back and forth. |
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SDC is only a few months old mate this is not the final product it will be improved and right now it's as good if not better then anything else out there, that being said please stop talking about monero this is the SDC thread and everyone of your posts mentions it, you made your point, there are similarity's but were not done and we have done more in 4 months then xmr have in like 6 months really they haven't done much at all apart from change there name it's really not that impressive i bought in at the start and have been watching them all i see is promises and no delivery, here i see no promises only delivery, face it, there is almost no coin out there that has done what the SDC team did in 4 months, it's insulting comparing SDC to other coins, there just not even in the same league, xmr is bytecoin with less coins and smaller pre-mine apart from put an X in there name what have they actually done? and i mean delivered not promised or currently working on, delivered, this is why SDC is better in every way, sorry to carry on but this is the SDC thread, you should expect it.
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all sdc votes are fake, we all should call it, "Proof of Shame". We should all call you "Proof of Pussy" for making a noob account just to post here. Use your real account next time. Anybody who spends Christmas trolling is really sad lets just give thanks that we have lives and family who love us unlike these sad people sniff sniff i just wish i could hug them all better. |
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If Rynomster wins this it's going to bring alot of attention to SDC alot of people have voted. |
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Dude, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with Monero and Bytecoin. That ship sailed a long time ago. But the point is that the true credit for the cryptography used by all of these coins lies with the developers of the cryptonote design, whoever they are.
Monero has rewritten significant parts of the Bytecoin code from scratch by now, and extensively refactored other parts, and will likely do far more of this. Monero does not, however, claim to be the inventor of the cryptonote design, or the original writer of the code. We always credit cryptonote for their work. Credit where credit is due.
Bytecoin devs developed cryptonote bro that's why it's relevant? According to them, they didn't. The cryptonote team developed the cryptography and design and the bytecoin team did the reference implementation for them. The bytecoin team then wanted to focus on the actual currency so the group split. Perhaps the original designers weren't real interested in running an 82% premine pump-and-dump scam. I have no idea how much of that is true, but I know for certain that we don't actually know who developed or invented any of it. it's a clone unlike SDC.
What? SDC is a clone of bitcoin, unless I'm mistaken. The difference is XMR is a direct clone of Bytecoin the only difference the premine and the devs, I see a few differences between SDC and BTC hahaha ridicules comparison. SDC is a fork of BTC XMR is a fork of BCN None of this coins are clone, there is a lot of developments added to the original code BRO there is like no difference between Bytecoin and XMR BIG BIG BIG difference between BTC and SDC seriously WTF. |
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Dude, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with Monero and Bytecoin. That ship sailed a long time ago. But the point is that the true credit for the cryptography used by all of these coins lies with the developers of the cryptonote design, whoever they are.
Monero has rewritten significant parts of the Bytecoin code from scratch by now, and extensively refactored other parts, and will likely do far more of this. Monero does not, however, claim to be the inventor of the cryptonote design, or the original writer of the code. We always credit cryptonote for their work. Credit where credit is due.
Bytecoin devs developed cryptonote bro that's why it's relevant? According to them, they didn't. The cryptonote team developed the cryptography and design and the bytecoin team did the reference implementation for them. The bytecoin team then wanted to focus on the actual currency so the group split. Perhaps the original designers weren't real interested in running an 82% premine pump-and-dump scam. I have no idea how much of that is true, but I know for certain that we don't actually know who developed or invented any of it. it's a clone unlike SDC.
What? SDC is a clone of bitcoin, unless I'm mistaken. The difference is XMR is a direct clone of Bytecoin the only difference the premine and the devs, I see a few differences between SDC and BTC hahaha ridicules comparison, but all the best for XMR hope it does well no reason why it can't, best of luck to you also, hope you get rich no matter your investment SDC or XMR, Merry christmas. |
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Dude, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with Monero and Bytecoin. That ship sailed a long time ago. But the point is that the true credit for the cryptography used by all of these coins lies with the developers of the cryptonote design, whoever they are.
Monero has rewritten significant parts of the Bytecoin code from scratch by now, and extensively refactored other parts, and will likely do far more of this. Monero does not, however, claim to be the inventor of the cryptonote design, or the original writer of the code. We always credit cryptonote for their work. Credit where credit is due.
Bytecoin devs developed cryptonote bro that's why it's relevant? as i said i was invested in all the annoncoins from the start because that's were the money will soon be at, i have profited off all of them, so im not obsessed it's just a fact that bytecoin devs developed the tech XMR copied.And this is the SDC thread i dumped my XMC for XC like 6 months ago you were the one who brought XMR up, not me, I'm just telling you it's a clone unlike SDC. |
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I don't see Bytecoin like a scam but a test
Well, you have know the history of how it was claimed to be launched two years earlier, which was simply a lie, and many of the premined coins were being dumped on unsuspecting buyers. That makes a fraud and a scam. But ultimately you are right, it was essentially the testnet for Monero, and that's how any project run by non-scammers would have done it. XMR and bytecoin devs had nothing to do with each other bytecoin was good tech launched stupidly and all the rest including XMR copied,SDC did not they built it better and faster with a more mainstream wallet without copying there is the difference. the tech in SDC is better then anything in the crypto world to date and the wallet is more mainstream then any Bitcoin wallet i have seen, it's a clear winner. |
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BTW, Monero never claimed to be anything new (though new things have been since added), it was launched as a direct of clone bytecoin (cryptonote) to get rid of the 82% premine. The rest of the technology was (and is) just fine.
You can talk about technology without talking about XMR why not talk about bytecoin same difference  1. Why would one talk about a scam with an 82% premine that is now largely abandoned. It matters for historical purposes only. 2. I'm less familiar with what the Bytecoin project is doing these days, if anything at all. 3. By all accounts (even the scammers, who I tend not to believe anyway) the true innovators here were "cryptonote", who invented the cryptographic scheme. 4. People seem to be asking about the similarities and differences between SDC and Monero. No one is asking about Bytecoin (see #1 above). well since XMR is a copy and paste of bytecoin it's pretty relevant the only real difference is the the lack of premine, SDC is scaled down and not cloned may use tech that is similar to cryptonote but it's not. |
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yeah but they built it from scratch instead of copy and paste from bytecoin big difference, and they built it better and quicker
It was build from scratch based on an existing design. Monero has also rewritten portions of the cryptonote code from scratch, but we don't claim to be the inventors of it. Cryptography and brilliant creativity are very different from programming. BTW, Monero never claimed to be anything new (though new things have been since added), it was launched as a direct of clone bytecoin (cryptonote) to get rid of the 82% premine. The rest of the technology was (and is) just fine. so just drop it, go back to the XMR thread and focus on innovation because right now your getting your ass kicked I thought I was having a conversation here about technology. Sorry to have rubbed you the wrong way. You can talk about technology without talking about XMR why not talk about bytecoin same difference P.S im stirring you up bro but seriously SDC was built from scratch quicker and better with no premine and just look at the wallet..i rest my case |
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What many people seem to be missing (and it is totally normal to do so because it's not been seen before) is they keep comparing it to existing solutions.
SDC has something completely new in that it destroys coins that are then converted into redeemable tokens that sit on top of the blockchain and these tokens can then be reconverted via minting into new SDC.
It's only the exchange / allocation of tokens that use the ring sig with basic NIZK to prove to the blockchain that the holder owns the value of the output without revealing identity, it's not the actual coins using ring sig.
It is indeed a very well thought out system that the cannot be followed on an explorer.
First of all, every single cryptocurrency destroys coins when they are used. That's how the work. An input can be spent once and only once, and any output (including change) is a new coin. What SDC has is essentially two types of coins on the same blockchain. When you say "destroys the coins" what that really means is a type of transaction that has one type of coin as input and another type as output (SDC calls this "mint" I believe). The latter kind is what is virtually identical to cryptonote. The former is (as far as I know, and I will assume this, but I haven't studied it) virtually identical to bitcoin. There is also a transaction type that has cryptonote-style coins on the input side and bitcoin-style coins on the output side (SDC calls this "redeem" I think). This is indeed something new, and there are some advantages to it, but also disadvantages. It is not correct to say that it adds anonymity though. The anonymity comes from the use of cryptonote style coins. As long as you use the cryptonote-style coins exclusively or predominantly, you have the same anonomity as Monero. If you mint and redeem frequently, you will have issues that reduce your anonymity. Doesn't the anonymity come from the use of ring signatures? It's just that both Cryptonote and ShadowCash use similar simplified applications of them? And that Cryptonote did it first? That's an important thing to clarify and will help with discussion. What you are calling anonymity comes from ring signitures (untracability) and stealth addresses (unlinkability). Cryptonote (an anonymous unknown entity) first applied both of these methods in a coherent cryptocurrency system, and deserves credit for the synthesis much the same way Satoshi deserves credit for synthesizing the ideas that went into bitcoin. SDC is using essentially the same construction as cryptonote for the anonymous coin type (Shadow tokens or whatever they are called). yeah but they built it from scratch instead of copy and paste from bytecoin big difference, and they built it better and quicker, so just drop it, go back to the XMR thread and focus on innovation because right now your getting your ass kicked |
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