The royal "we" in these here parts does not give no sheeeits about ETH...

What the fuck is ETH, anyhow?  That's a rhetorical question.

 

Covid was released to help Trump into showing himself more clearly as the narcissistic fool that he is.. who is incapable of handling any kind of real and meaningful crisis because his only tool in his tool shed is to make things about himself.. and this actual public kind of crisis just showed that trump is a bundle of self-absorbed incompetence.  


What's the relationship of these blurbs to our lil fiend, aka bitcoin?   

Surely, fillippone you make a good point regarding bitcoin being the most seize resistant asset, yet still there can be problems if governments were to be focusing on any narrow kinds of assets as the enemy, such as bitcoin and then befriending others as if they were more friendly... but still in the end, you are correct to suggest that bitcoin was designed around this concept that governments might become hostile to it - and we have already seen some hostility that could be ramped up, possibly, as acquafredda suggests.

Regarding acquafredda's focusing upon some kinds of government/regulatory actions that are possible or might be possible...   Ultimately, it's a BIG SO FUCKING WHAT with more FUD spreading than reality? because it is not currently happening, and there would definitely exist decently LARGE trade offs for governments to go down such a path - especially the longer that bitcoin is existence and as bitcoin has gained further and further adoption - including the adoption of public companies - and presumably more private companies too and high networth individuals too. 

I know that you, fillippone, recognize these dynamics and trade offs, but frequently we do get a lot of "what ifs" that may be truly believed and sometimes scare newbies from taking a BTC stake or making plans to take a BTC stake - because they are so busy worrying about some kind of speculative future that is very unlikely to happen... so they screw them selves into giving too much weight to such FUD based information pieces, and thus failing/refusing to take some kind of reasonable and prudent actions to allocate a sufficient portion of their investment portfolio to bitcoin.. whether somewhere in the range of 1% to 10% or some other reasonable number that is based on sound reasoning... .

So the more and more adoption of BIGGER players into the bitcoin space is going to contribute to dynamics that cause trade offs that governments might not want to attempt if they were to become increasingly hostile towards bitcoin - which would seem to be a reversal of some of the current direction in bitcoin that is largely allowing for channels for BIGGER players to get into bitcoin and even clarification of some bank custody matters.   

Sure, many governments would like to channel bitcoin interactions into KYC channels which is another ongoing attack vector that could lead to a kind of attempt to later engage in seizing of BTC stashes of individuals and companies - so we should take it into account as a direction that could come up and to attempt to protect ourselves and to attempt to create channels in which seizure attempts would cause a lot of costs for any governments attempting to go down such road.. that remains a BIG SO WHAT slim possible direction, at this time... and in that regard, we do not need to unduly focus on these kinds of matters - even while it remains healthy to keep them in mind and even engage in self custody, mixing and joining of coins in order to keep a large collection of the bitcoin obfuscated from government attack vector channels if they do attempt to engage in such seemingly short-sighted hostilities.

Hahahahaha

At least you were able to retain some semblance of a wee bit of humour in your response upon the interwebs...

And, geez, I had not even taken into account that the life of wee lil ole me had happened to have been any kind of emblem of perfection...

Good to know these kinds of tingilies.. especially, if you are reigning me in like dat. 

Makes me feel even MOAR better dan I did. 

Prices of lil fiend going up, and my situation ended up playing out in a kind of puuuuuurrrrefect.

 


Go figure.


 


I doubt that the results of this particular presidential race are going to be thrown out or even seriously considered as challenged on those grounds.....

Is the Trump camp making arguments  based on such hypothetical of "what if?"  Trump is surely desperate at this point because he is going to have to do some pretty heavy dancing to NOT become subject to a variety of lawsuits.. potentially even criminal matters... Maybe starting on January 21?  Or maybe he will trump up some of his own drama for the civil service have to take measures to physically remove him, which might cause some of its own legal ramifications were such a thing to occur.  I am sure that he is weighing his options in regards to how extreme he can attempt to play, in the event that less extreme measures do not seem to be working.

hahahahaha

Thanks for sharing that bitebits.

I had heard that discussion on John Vallis's podcast - Bitcoin Rapid-Fire, and I was going to say something, here... .. but for some reason, some kind of real life matter got in the middle of my saying something and then I forgot about it... until seeing your post.



Hm?

I never thought about such subject from that angle...

So, there is that.     

By the way, I would like to proclaim that when BTC prices go above $15,500-ish (currently, yes and no and bouncing in that arena), then my networth goes UP and beyond what it was at the end of the month of December 2017.. which was actually the highest end of month valuation that my networth has ever reached...

Of course, if I were to measure networth, as of December 17, 2017 (BTC's ATH of $19,666), then that selective (peak) (not end of month valuation) would have been a higher number, but hey... I have a system that keeps track of these kinds of matters in a somewhat arbitrary, yet systematic, end of the month basis.. so let's stick with the official system rather than any kinds of attempts at selective spinning, no?

Note: The BTC price on the last day of December 2017 was ONLY in the lower $13ks.., but for some reason, my calculations are a bit unclear about my seeming to have had used a wee bit of a higher valuation with a kind of anticipation that the BTC price were going to go back up... Perhaps perhaps?  Anyhow,  surely some peeps might inquire how could the networth of any person purporting to be a mostly HODLer of BTC necessitate a higher BTC fiat price in order to cause networth to return to a previous all time high?

Besides proclaiming that "shit happens" or asserting that networth is comprised of a variety of assets besides merely the price of BTC, o.k.. I will tell a story and provide a partial excuse/explanation for what seems to be part of  why my networth requires BTC to be supra $15,500 in order to be higher than it was on December 31, 2017 (prices lower $13ks)..

It seems that I am going to have to attribute matters to my having had left value on BTC-e (WEX), the exchange that ended up going under in late 2018 - and accordingly, it appears that I had about 4% of my BTC investment portfolio (combination of BTC, dollars and some of the tokens that BTC-e had created when they had gotten seized by the USA govt in 2017...).  In some sense, BTC struggled along for about a year after their first seizure by the USA govt to result in complete inability to operate one year later in mid to late 2018... Sure, there were some peeps who removed all of their value from that exchange, yet I was not one of those peeps.. so surely may have been a BAD idea to end up losing that value... And, also difficult to proclaim exactly if attempting to make up for a 4% loss in value was the problem of necessitating supra $15,500 in order to reach new ATH valuations..

Surely, even $15,500 is about a 13% greater value than even $13,500?  so go figure how all of these actual numbers work out in the real world, and also some of the confusion is likely to contribute to some peeps to remain reinforced with their ideas in regards to "trading bad" and don't leave any of your value on an exchanges because in the end, HODLing remains the better principle guarding, and therefore wealth guarding practices... Could be?  Could be?... not going to argue about those kinds of matter, but just providing some somewhat personal details regarding where my own portfolio needs to be based on current happenings (rather than theory) in order to close at ATHs at the end of this particular month, if such an ATH closing were to happen this month or sometime soon.. None of this is guaranteed, that's for sure.. but it does seem that at some point, BTC is going to experience an ATH closing month.. Which would be about mid $13ks overall or for me, necessitate $15,500 or higher in order for my own portfolio to reach ATH levels (maybe I have been consuming too muchie, that could be a partial explanation, too?).


Don't beg.

It is not becoming of either gentlemen or soon to become gentlemen (presuming that you should by now** HODL a sufficient amount of lillie fiends)

**registration date: May 6, 2013


Not so soon... you are just getting started.. newbie troll wannabe.     

In other words, you have not paid your dues.. ...

In other words... get the fuck out of here.

There are some member(s) (who shall remain unnamed) who have been trying to catch up with me, and I am not even suggesting that catching up would not be possible, but it surely is going take a decent amount of effort.   


Yeah, but what does it mean?

Well, even if you are suggesting that such evidence had been easy to gather, I feel that I now have my own.   


Every bot must be from somewhere, and why not russia? 


Lauda is a popular topic too, but I would suspect that since she left, her popularity is likely to diminish in the coming years, and become more of a myth than anything... even though her typed words will still exist - especially since she did not embark upon a deletion spree... which is likely better for keeping some accuracy intact.


You have more energy than me.  I do have some threads that I follow in other languages and Google translate them to English.. but I really have trouble following any of them in detail.. .. even if I might spot a post here or there that strikes my interest.


I am NOT much into either competition or even being a meanie... I feel that I employ meanie only from time to time.. and surely some members do bring meanie out.. but it is NOT really my preferred way of interacting with members - even though some members don't seem to recognize or appreciate any other approach.  Regarding competition, I do sometimes compete with myself, or I might compete with some other member in a more non-stated way...

I remember about 20 years ago competing with a colleague from work over an athletic event that was kind of a serious competition but at the same time fun... and it did go well for me, even though there was a bit of a nail-biter aspect to the whole thing because it took several months to play out.. and then even when it went in my favor, the competition did not really end at that point, and arguably that colleague did end up subsequently taking the lead in the whole matter in a kind of passive aggressive way.. which surely, life happens and sometimes we do need to recognize certain ways that we might end up getting bested at a later date. 

Difficult to measure meanie status results, too, is it not?


I agree that in regards to "meanie" being a constructive meanie would likely be a better thing, and you and I seem to agree that Lauda would have fit into a kind of constructive meanie status, even though other members are not necessarily going to agree - especially if they had gotten red claw marks from her.. that are still enduring, since she has now exited this matrix.


hahahahaha....

It is funny how peeps in the WO thread will just make shit up regarding whatever our current WO topic happens to be... even though in the end, on the deep inside each of us realize that despite some short term divergences along the way, king daddy remains our topic herein.


Fair enough.   


O.k.  Thanks for that shortened explanation.

I could kind of appreciate that the clip was going in that direction as I got to about half way through watching the clip, but I did not want to spend another 14 minutes on it in order to watch it all the way to the end...

Sorry about my own attention-span weakness... 

Funny about that link that you provided.  Each time I click on (or refresh) it, it gives me a new image... so surely an interesting concept about computers generating images that appear to be reality-based.

Sure, it is a kind of geeky phenomena, but I do remain a little bit unclear why I would want to spend a lot of time playing around with such computer generations, unless I am actually either studying the concept of computer generation or just having some fun with it... So, for example, let's say that there are only 24 hours in a day, and I  were to spend about 8 hours sleeping, 4 hours engaging in various tasks of arranging my day, 4 hours eating and exercising, 4 hours in money-making activities, 2 hours on the forum and 2 hours discretionary**.... Why would I necessarily want to spend my discretionary hours clicking on computer generated videos, or studying such phenomena?  **note, I am not necessarily proclaiming/or admitting that I dedicate my daily hours as outlined above

Your guess is as good as mine, whether we might have some gradual increase that ends up in a blow off top one year or a wee bit more, or if we were to get some kind of double top like 2013 - or if there might be some other kind of variation.

How would anyone know the pattern with any kind of certainty before it happens... because the pattern kind of creates itself, as it goes, no?


Quoted for the proofs that nullius is a bot.

I suppose that if any of us are around enough and we engage in persistent posts - or even have some consistencies, then we may well be appreciated for some of our contributions... and surely, Lauda could really get into a lot of disputes, and surely being both proud of being the red marker and NOT hesitant to use such red marker caused some hostilities - especially when no other member stepped up to such plate... so surely some of that has (or had) its place in a forum like this.....


Fair enough.. It does not hurt to have some peeps who are willing to stand up for you, and that kind of thing... I remember some of my older cousins were like that towards me in grade school... so a similar kind of phenomenon.


My reasons have been to connect with bitcoin and learning about bitcoin.

Sure, I met some peeps along the way, but I cannot consider that I come for any peeps, specifically except if there might be some substantive matters that happen.. and of course, I attempt to follow the posts of certain members, too.... so yeah, if the member has shown to put forth content that resonates with me, then I may well spend more time reading their content in detail and even responding to various portions... whether serious, substantive or even light-hearted responses.


Fair enough... Sometimes I will write something that appears to show emotions but it may well be a kind of emphasis rather than actual emotions.. not that I am a bot...



Just like there are differing kinds of nice, differing kinds of intelligent, differing kinds of substance sharing, there are also different kinds of meanies...    I cannot say that I have any favorite meanie..


Is it worth it?

Sure sometimes I respond to other posts that I know are going to largely be a waste of time... so yeah, each of us will decide whether to spend time responding and whether we believe our spent time is being spent in a worthy way.


Not sure about GAN... I did watch almost half of the video without conceding whether I understood any of what I saw/heard.  

Probably does not hurt to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of seeming to be engaging in normal kind of plan to accumulate bitcoin and then to get into a kind of "scared as shit" status - including perhaps being too receptive to various bearish scenarios...

Of course, we cannot really know with any certainty that he was being genuine about this, especially when so many members here found it quite incredulous that he would both sell all of his coins and then fail/refuse to buy them back.. even when the BTC price got very close to (if not below) his earlier sales price.. which was around $4,500 it seems.

So, anyhow making a decently BIG financial mistake (which surely was a kind of gambling that he might be able to buy back lower.. and being a bit stubborn in his head that he was going to be smarter than everyone else and realize his buying lower expectation)... so yeah, it is almost a perfect situation that might have exacerbated a previous condition  - which is another way of saying to make a previous condition worse.. just by the context and some of the luck / or skills in the whole matter... that ended up being the bottom was in at $3,850.. was not going any lower.. , even if it was not clear to any of us.. but he remained inclined to gamble against what seemed to be the odds and his bad decision made worse..  but some of us were not willing to take such chances to sell on the way down (and so much down) with an expectation of buying lower... even though a lot of us might have still been traumatized by the stress of the whole BIG downity price situation. 



Sure.. I recall some points of you defending mindrust... even though I don't recall any of us really being very mean about the whole situation... because I think that a lot of people here generally had appreciated mindrust and his various participations in the forum and the thread prior to his having had gone off the deep end.. many of us were sympathetic.. even though some more skeptical than others regarding the genuineness of the whole story...


There are some other members who had bordered on those kinds of weaknesses, too.... There may have been some who just did not post about it, but made similar panic sales around that time and similar BTC price correction periods like that.


Perhaps?  But if you really are not investing more than you can afford to lose, as many of us suggest over and over and over, then you have made such a mistake that is going to be exploited.. and surely, going past the line of investing way more than you can afford to lose ends up being part of the contributory factor that many of us might not go beyond... I cannot remember how much of his percentage that he had put into bitcoin, but it was something approaching 40% or 50% or something like that...

I mean I recommend 1% to 10% for starters, and I could see if some peeps might go up to 20% or even 30%, but they better also have fairly solid abilities to support themselves with their other finances...   So the higher the percentage that they put in, then the harder it might be to balance the pressures of DOWNity BTC price movement when it happens.

I mean at some point before he went all out, he must have gone all in.. and got to his 10BTC threshold thinking that the bottom was "in" around $5k to $6k.. and surely the price kept dropping, even though he had been kind of rooting for down.. which may have been a kind of strange reverse psychology, because the next thing you know, as the BTC price kept dropping below $5k, he is then saying that he is out.. blah blah blah..




We all have these kinds of weaknesses that are potentially within us.. and probably part of the reason that we build and build and build, including some peeps proclaiming to use titanium plates, is because we have to work on our predicament that involves both our finances and our psychology... so we pretty much know what we are going to do, and any panic that we have is contained within reason.. and if we do not continue to practice such preparations, each of us is likely subject to those similar kinds of vulnerabilities in allowing our emotions to push us to a place that we should not be going.


Yeah.. but we still kind of get to know each other.. and mindrust had been active for a decently long period... and he had made some similar mistakes in the past of allowing his emotions to get to him, so he did have quite a few emotional bouts before the BIG one had hit in mid March.. so it was NOT completely out of the blue that someone like him might have gotten emotional.


Sure.. some people do... so yeah.. sometimes there are meanies on the interwebs.. including yours truly.



I don't know.. if you are sensitive in protecting Lauda.. that seems to be on you, more than anything... some people might purposefully want to rattle you in that direction, so in that regard, you might actually put yourself in such a position if you get too attached to that kind of thing... or showing that you are attached in that kind of way...


Pulling a mindrust could be interpreted in a variety of ways.. and I believe it is largely a panic sell kind of situation rather than any kind of "getting emotional" situation.

There are a lot of ways that peeps get emotional.. and  many of those situations would likely not fall into "pulling a mindrust" within the current definition unless it somehow involved selling BTC on the way down, refusing to buy back in, refusing to recognize losses and just deal with it or something like that...


Whatever suits you.... 

O.k... I did a quickie looking it up, and you seem to be correct about the split, and sure there are two senate seats there that may well be going down a run-off path.. so I suppose it could be interesting how those races turn out.  Georgia seemed to have been an interesting political location this year, and likely to continue to get a lot of attention for the next couple of months....

Politics is never over, right?

Mindrust is likely NOT in a very solid state of mind, currently.

BTC's current price may feel like it has been a bit extreme, but it is NOT really outside of fair probabilities and expectations, even though NONE of us really can know with any amount of certainty regarding the direction, the intensity or the quickness of such BTC price movements. 

Surely, on a personal level, I am happy to be pretty heavily leaning in the HODLers camp, and anyone who has prepared for UPpity by accumulating a decent BTC stash is also going to be feeling some comforts with the recent price actions of lil orange (or yellow, some say) fiend.

In regards to Lauda, of course her decision to exit the forum could be a bit traumatic, especially for any members who considered her services to have been a benefit to the forum...... I have no real ideas about the back story, but I did read the OP of her departure message.. and surely communicating a finality in such persona's presence on the forum.. so merely still alive to the extent some of her posts and trust marking continue to have effect.

 I had not quite expected such departure, but surely life happens, and we cannot count on matters or involved peeps staying the same with the passage of time.  In that regard, change does inevitably happen and sometimes in less than expected ways.

hahahaha

That's true...

Deleting all my posts would have removed so much of the camouflage that I have been providing  (free of charge) within the thread and shown so many of the other members swimming naked.   I would not do that to you guys...   #nohomo

 

Couldn't help myself.

I must have been having a Bob (emotional) moment.   


Seems that we are going to have to watch this.

Sounds as if you have concluded that the odds of winning are against Loeffler?

This sounds really legitimate.

If he keeps trying sooner or later he is going to be correct, and then we can agree about how much of a smartie he happens to be...

Waiting for a correction may or may not play out.

And, surely each of us would approach such a situation with a different approach... geez, we had a correction to $10k in late August/Early September - and for the most part that was the last meaningful correction that we had.. all the way from $10k-ish in early September to nearly $16k in the last couple of days.  Sure, there might be a meaningful correction, but there might not.

For the last year and a half or so, I had been suggesting that if we break above $13,880 (which we did, of course) then the next meaningful resistance would be in the sub $17,250 price arena.. and if we break above $17,250, then we enter into no man's land, which is largely the price range between about $17,250 and $23,500... which it is hard to expect meaningful corrections in the no man's land price range...

Anyhow, you should consider your situation in such a way that you feel comfortable that you are prepared for both UP and DOWN... and surely we might even experience a 50% correction from here.. but sometimes, bitcoin gets into a kind of punishment mood.. and keeps recking anyone who is either shorting it or expecting down or flat.. which causes nocoiners to rush in, which may or may not work out for them... so the better advice has already been provided in terms of listening to some random dweeb on the interwebs.. and my advice is almost always to make sure that you are prepared for both UP and DOWN in both psychological and financial ways.. and sometimes preparing for such (both) can take a decently long time to work out.. especially if you have made some decently-sized mistakes along the way (which seems to be the case with you, hotpassion, if we can actually take you at your word for having had sold all your coins at $12k-ish.. and failed/refused to buy back when the BTC price dropped because you were hopening for lower prices... blah blah blah... greed and gambling is frequently an enemy and incrementalism tends to work a bit better, even if it tends to take quite a bit longer for real peeps to really solidify)..

Public companies have obligations to disclose some of these kinds of matters and to do it, publicly.

Private companies have little to no incentive.  It's like a private person disclosing how much BTC they own, and it would not seem like a very good idea.

O.k.  davinchi.. you first.  Prove your point by disclosing how much BTC you own...

Of course, if you own very little.. such as less than .5 BTC, then you might be more inclined to disclosed..  The more you own, the more likely you would prefer to be private.  There are reasons that richer people tend to want to have some privacy with the level of their wealth.. and maybe with bitcoin there will be greater incentives to be private for private individuals... but of course, there will be some people who might choose to be open, though I would still proclaim that they would be more of an exception rather than any kind of best practices.

Oh?  I thought that it was some kind of mass mailing (e-mailing, I mean).. I did not realize that it was ONLY me receiving such e-mails.

By the way, most peeps in these here parts of the WO likely realize that I am NOT much of a shitcoiner at all... I will admit that I did claim my Bcash, though - completed most of it in late 2017... though I may have cashed out a few in 2018, too.... and I did dabble a bit in some shitcoins sporadically in my bitcoin career.. but I cannot recall my monkeying around with shitcoins to ever go 1% above my bitcoin value.. especially since about mid-2014 and thereafter, but I cannot recall doing much if anything with any of the shitcoins that I still own in recent years - I mean prior to about early 2018...   I surely do not talk much about them, unless I am specifically asked... and even then, I might not say too much.

I do recall getting an e-mail from one exchange about my Bgold that I had been able to split off of the fork in early 2018.. or something like that.... Like in mid-2019 or something like that, the exchange said that they would no longer going to support bgold.. so i did remove that bgold from such exchange  because I would have otherwise lost them... I still do hold such bgold, even though they are surely NOT worth very much, currently.. and likely NOT going to appreciate in value much if any.. who knows?  I suppose if there were a pump, I might have to figure out how to sell them?  might be quite difficult.... 

Anyhow, my supposed love for shitcoins is surely a well kept secret that was not even known by me... go figure.

Sorry I brought it up...

You must be in a lureable mood, infofront...

I am pretty sure if I was a hot chick (maybe does not even need to be very hot), and I saw you pass by the park walking with your little kid.  I said..  "hey infofront, I regularly see you walking with the kid in the park.. Get rid of the kid for a few hours, and meet me back here in two hours, and we will go have some 'funzies' ." (of course, such thingies would be said outside of the earshot of said kid) I would thereby see you back in the park a couple hours later sans kiddie.