Didn't say that. I said that his ownership cannot be maintained without a government. Protection of property is impossible without government? How about I just setup traps and access codes? Hey, if my machine cuts your head off at night, it's not my fault - I told you to not touch it!  good for you. And if you are the one working your machine that works just fine. The means of production are then owned by the producers. Meanwhile if you hire someone else to use your machine he won't be able to, it will cut off his head. nah, it can have retinal scanners, owner types code - let him work for 1 day, if you want to get paid and work tomorrow give me the boots you "made" (it's not only worker who made it - machine also makes it and workers who produced materials - another commie nonsense) Of course I doubt it would be needed because in normal society private property would be respected. Then he gets outcompeted by the worker owned cooperative because he has to pay overhead on the machine security and also because his workers don't give a damn how good of boots they make, they aren't in business for themselves. |
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As to your house Kiba, if you are renting it out to someone else, then it's his house (just like that truck that Russian Truck driver was driving in the example someone brought up earlier)
The landlord is supposed to maintain the house and the tenant is supposed to complain to the landlord. That's how it suppose to work, no? If that's how the landlord and the tenant wish to arrange it. Depends on how much you are charging for your maintenance services, and besides, if I have nothing that needs to be maintained, why should I pay you? |
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Didn't say that. I said that his ownership cannot be maintained without a government. Protection of property is impossible without government? How about I just setup traps and access codes? Hey, if my machine cuts your head off at night, it's not my fault - I told you to not touch it! good for you. And if you are the one working your machine that works just fine. The means of production are then owned by the producers. Meanwhile if you hire someone else to use your machine he won't be able to, it will cut off his head. |
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Also consider the fact that under an anarcho-communist system, you could not 'host' a small anarcho-capitalist system, whereas the reverse is possible. Hell, if you want to, go and collect money from many workers, and buy a factory. Then you all own a share of the company and the product of your labor. Unfortunately none of you would receive paychecks, but you have all those boots to sell so you should be fine, yes?
Why couldn't you host a small anarcho-capitalist system? Anarchists aren't going to prevent you from living in whatever manner you choose, so long as you don't go trying to keep them from living in whatever manner they choose. Ownership meanwhile is a legal fiction, backed up by force. Anarcho-capitalists are the ones which claim they wish to live in a society free of force, without force ownership is not possi8ble. |
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I like how Marxists believe the owner produced no valuable work at all.
Didn't say that. I said that his ownership cannot be maintained without a government. If he does valuable work and trades it to someone for something, great. if he attempts to simply maintain ownership and collect rent then there is going to have to be a government to protect his right to do so. I'm not saying anarcho-capitalism is evil, I'm saying it's impossible. As to your house Kiba, if you are renting it out to someone else, then it's his house (just like that truck that Russian Truck driver was driving in the example someone brought up earlier) |
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if a factory is used to produce boots under capitalism the boots belong to the owner of the factory, under socialism they belong to the workers who used the factory to produce the boots. That doesn't make any sense. Why not to the workers who made machines used by the factory? And to the workers who mined raw materials? Maybe the machines do 90% of the work, not the workers inside the factory? Of course I don't expect any sense from communistic ideas. Who enforces this ownership? Without a government of some sort you can't. As far as raw materials, you extract raw materials, then you trade them to someone who is going to use them to make finished goods. Same with production machinery. |
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...No. That is incorrect.
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Let me elaborate. In my opinion, and most anarchists' opinion (I presume), there is no entity that has a monopoly on coercive force in a true anarchistic society.
Capitalism does not promote the subjugation of anyone by anyone else- it merely suggests that the market will choose which businesses rise or fall, based on any number of factors.
In my opinion, anarcho-capitalism is far superior to anarcho-communism for some of the reasons you mention, but mostly that anarcho-communism rejects the idea of private property; a critical, basic freedom.
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You are confusing market anarchy with anarcho-capitalism. Capitalism means that the production is controlled by those with capital, the owners of the means of production, not by the workers, who do the actual producing. As Father MacGruder points out worker control leads to a bit of a dillema for someone who wishes to found a business and then retire on the proceeds. I think that I offered a workable solution in that he needs to work hard to cultivate the respect and admiration of the workers so that they choose to support him in his retirement. If he's cultivated the respect and admiration of the wider community so that they do as well, all the better. Personally if I started up a brewery I'd want to be involved in the day to day operation as a pat of my retirement, formulating recipes and such, things that a lifetime of knowledge helps with and a physically frail body doesn't serve as an obstacle to. |
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Anarcho-capitalism... Isn't that an oxymoron? Doesn't proper anarchism reject capitalism, insofar as capitalism promotes the subjugation of the poor by the rich? I think impossible is a better term than oxymoron. There's a discussion on that in he economics forum brewing at the moment. Most of the people on this board are Anarcho-capitalists though, so calling them oxymorons isn't likely to get a good response |
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as long as there is support for ownership of capital determining production, rather than actual use of production determining production then there is support for government. What does this exactly mean? "actual use of production determining production"? It means this. if a factory is used to produce boots under capitalism the boots belong to the owner of the factory, under socialism they belong to the workers who used the factory to produce the boots. Ownership of the factory is a convenient legal fiction, it's a form of capital and isn't really sustainable without force. |
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I'm not even sure it's illegal.
Defacing currency in the US is technically illegal. However it never gets prosecuted, there's a whole web community built around doing it actually (where's george) |
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There seems to be a new resistance forming at 0.7.
Volumes stays high.
Personally I put my money where my mouth is over on bitcoin sportsbook, I fully expect this rally to continue. |
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Um... what has that got to do with anything I said?
I think you might have mis-read me.
I got 10,000 bitcoin from offering my labor on the market that just happens to goes up to 100 times. I didn't cheat. Now the growth of the currency make me one of the "rich". You said the currency is not "controlled by the rich, for the rich", but that's like thinking every single millionaire as evil. No. Bitcoin is not controlled by the rich, since it is not controlled by anyone. It's not a matter of good and evil, if you are not rich you don't want to use a currency that is controlled and manipulate by rich people for the benefit of rich people, which fiat is. If you are rich and not part of their clique you also don't. |
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The most widely known historical example of Anarcho-Communism is Catalonia and some other parts of Spain during the civil war. There were operating breweries and wineries there, with the workers enjoying the fruits of their labours and also supplying all sorts of others with victuals.
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Watch out wading into that troll's nest.
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What are the reasons for this scarcity in bitcoins for the past couple of days? If one looks at the orderbook for Mt. Gox http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html, it appears that there are very few bitcoins available for sale. Only a couple of days ago the market was full of bitcoins. This sudden spike in prices is just completely irrational. What specific even was the trigger for such a dramatic increase in demand? Did some oil producing country start selling its oil in bitcoins suddenly? Actually, at the moment on MTGox there are several thousand bitcoins available for sale. However the vast majority of them are selling for $1 |
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You might want to give a slight idea as to what sort of audience/fetishes it is aimed at.
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I do production work, I don't have equipment to record anything other than voice although I have no problem doing voiceovers or vocals, if you send me tracks in need of mastering I can get you a good product. I can also add synthesized tracks to improve the music as needed.
Rates range depending on the complexity of the job.
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I was looking for something like this. I don't know what prestashop and ubercart are, but I would like more information if possible.
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On MTGOX, we almost hit 1 USD = 1 BTC today on MTGOX, but that was probably overspeculation.
But i'm thinking we're going to hit parity soon.
I think it was a hack. Someone unloading stolen MTgox dollars. |
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I don't get it anyway. Isn't a writer supposed to have enough imagination to come up with a story himself ? There's not much fun reading a story that I would have ordered. I want to be surprised.
There is some guy here who wrote a SF novel and sold it for a few bitcoins. You could do the same.
Personalized erotic stories are, in my opinion, a field that is ripe for expansion. I am sure Celine is perfectly capable of coming up with stories that please herself, that she is capable and willing to write stories that cater to someone else's fetishes speaks more to her writing talent in my opinion. I wish you luck in your endeavors Celine. |
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