People wrongly assume that more miners means higher diff, and ASSUME it means higher price for the thing being mined. Some of us have been trying to point out that it doesn't work that way, but you might as well be talking to a wall. So no point in bringing it up anymore. Let the MARKET school all these NOOB's that have come out of the woodwork like flies chasing the "gold rush". Greed blinds people and they don't do their homework.
Yes correct. Thank you. Today would be a nice example. LTC Diff = 725k LTC price $46.50 down very recently from $80.00. Oops. I'm awfully glad I didn't pay $2280.00 for any L3+. But like you said. People don't want to hear it. There is only one thing people hate more than Poetry.....they hate the Truth much more. |
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Guys, Bitmain is planning a $50 million dollar foray into mining in the USA. One could reasonably assume that they would not want to flood the future market with competitive commercial servers. They started issuing these batch warnings on twitter shortly after their announcement that they are coming onshore here. Since those Batch warnings this site has been FUBAR. EVEN after they supposedly upgraded their servers. I also find it VERY suspicious, that the ONLY posters in here that claim to have gotten through are completely new posters with very low post counts. I may not be the brightest bulb in the house, but I can tell the difference from when it's raining and when someone is pissing down my back. I smell rotten fish.
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I doubt any conspiracies against US or Europe, I'm living in Asia and couldn't get my order through !
Yeah, I agree. When I VPN to Hong Kong, my results are the same. Did you use a reputable VPN that requires you to program your router? Free VPN's are worthless. Reputable? Ehhh, I got a free subscription with GhostPath with my UseNet subscription. I just tested with that and couldn't get through any easier so I went back to not using the VPN. Yeah I tried "Tunnel Bear". Useless. From what I understand and I'm no network expert, you need to program your router and the router has to function as a VPN client. Most home routers don't. You need a specific router that can do this. Anyway, I'm not saying "conspiracy" I am saying that the site is definitely "Geo Blocked". It's the only thing that makes sense. |
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I doubt any conspiracies against US or Europe, I'm living in Asia and couldn't get my order through !
Yeah, I agree. When I VPN to Hong Kong, my results are the same. Did you use a reputable VPN that requires you to program your router? Free VPN's are worthless. |
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SOLD (via ebay)
Yep with my "newbie" here it's tough to sell something.
Will have more to sell - still L3 and D3 coming so if anybody interested please PM or follow up.
Would prefer to sell for crypto directly without paypal>convert>crypto so that's why posting here.
It's actually funny experience to sell something with crypto - while having legit stuff and good price new entrants have to go to the old fashion marketplaces and work old way.
Looks like I gonna setup more "official" kind of store to sell next ones.
If you have any advices/ideas how to setup sales in crypto format would really appreciate any feedback.
Whole field looks very promising, demand is high, products are there but still no system setup to make a business fast&secure
Cheers!
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Guys, I'm not much of a "conspiracy guy" but if you look at what's happening here, it's abundantly clear that US and Euro buyers are being "Geo Blocked". Anyone else notice the occasional newb with three posts chiming in about how they bought 30??? Obviously a Alibaba or Bitmain plant to throw you off the scent.
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Looks like there were a few L3+ that didn't complete the checkout process. As of 10:45PM PST, they are available again.
Gone in 3 minutes maybe I'm just old and have already too much equipment and am jaded as heck but really...this batch size and this batch delivery and what 4 batches before yet in the wind to be delivered yet? I really, really can't see how even with a modest price pump back to 75 bucks for LTC a way for these to ROI after electric in less than 14 months maybe anyway, again old fart for crypto (2013) maybe I'm just missing something or everyone 'just knows' the price of scrypt pow coins are gonna moon but damn $2,280 bucks for a miner.... I suppose all will be fine if it was say LTC at 100 bucks..but why take the risk on the pump with equip? just get coins? Unless everyone is like me and really, really needs the equip deduction to spin this top up again and mine next year this old fart is not getting it at all (and don't even get me started on the D3 dash miner that is 4x riskier imho for ROI) (ambles off..confused...mumbling to self.......kicking can.......mutter wtf..younger asic generation...in my day ......) 2280 is a great deal for a scrypt miner , fuck u talking about lol , best ROI least amount of manufacturers why do u think they are on ebay for 5k You're an idiot. LOL. Its already overprice before and now the btc price sink to the hell, today price become too overpriced, i am glad that i couldnt get any today LTC just traded $47.50. BUT....The difficulty is still 745K!! How does this guy think THAT will play on his "ROI"  LOL. |
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Looks like there were a few L3+ that didn't complete the checkout process. As of 10:45PM PST, they are available again.
Gone in 3 minutes maybe I'm just old and have already too much equipment and am jaded as heck but really...this batch size and this batch delivery and what 4 batches before yet in the wind to be delivered yet? I really, really can't see how even with a modest price pump back to 75 bucks for LTC a way for these to ROI after electric in less than 14 months maybe anyway, again old fart for crypto (2013) maybe I'm just missing something or everyone 'just knows' the price of scrypt pow coins are gonna moon but damn $2,280 bucks for a miner.... I suppose all will be fine if it was say LTC at 100 bucks..but why take the risk on the pump with equip? just get coins? Unless everyone is like me and really, really needs the equip deduction to spin this top up again and mine next year this old fart is not getting it at all (and don't even get me started on the D3 dash miner that is 4x riskier imho for ROI) (ambles off..confused...mumbling to self.......kicking can.......mutter wtf..younger asic generation...in my day ......) 2280 is a great deal for a scrypt miner , fuck u talking about lol , best ROI least amount of manufacturers why do u think they are on ebay for 5k You're an idiot. |
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Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. You're hopeless. I told you before, I spent 30 years in institutional level derivatives and options trading working with the best and most ruthless. I've seen countless starry eyed dreamers like you get their skin ripped off. You're a classic case. It's obvious you're trying to convince yourself. Best of luck to you.
Sounds like some one worked for Lehman... sorry couldn't resist I know Cheap shot... Sorry...   HAHAHA!!! I DID!! But not when they went down. That's where I started. Actually was a great place to work for a while. Lehman, Cantor Fitzgerald, JP Morgan, GSA all the filthy scumbag thieving banks. That's what sparked my passion for this stuff. I hope they all go down in flames.....even though I know they won't. Been in the belly of the beast. It's way uglier than most people know. I am a product of JP Morgan worked for them as a Quant and I 100% agreed with Jamie Dimon on what he said 2 days ago. Dear God. I don't. One of the most evil, greedy pieces of shit on this planet. He's scared to death of Block Chain protocols that might break up his little circle jerk. That POS would murder his own mother for $. |
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L3+ is 2280 USD, Shipping: 11-20 Nov
A bit pricey but should still be able to turn nice profits.
Nope you are looking at 12 months ROI don't forget 4 more batches shipping before that one. 12 months ROI is the expected ROI once they actually ship out in November. Right now the ROI is 1/3 that, but of course we're expecting the difficulty to rise by the time they ship. 12 month ROI - assuming that's how long it will actually take - is very good relative to traditional investments where those kinds of profits only exist in your imagination. Yeah but anything over 6 months is risky in crypto world i remember when original butterfly came out a lot of people never got the money back. Edit: you cannot compare traditional investment to crypto world Risky of course, but some would agree that the potential profits are worth the potential risks. Making all of your money back in 12 months is unheard of in the traditional investing world, and the amount of risk in the crypto world is unheard of in the traditional investing world. It all depends on your risk level I suppose. I'm not getting any because it would push me over the 220v 100a threshold that I don't want to pass for my October batch that I got. Dude you need to stop with that line "better than in the traditional investing world". That's patently false. Number 1 this is comparable to NOTHING in the traditional investing world because you have NO WAY of quantifying your risk. Second, I can buy Bonds, Notes Annuities and get GAURANTEED returns. Nothing is remotely guaranteed here. You need to take a reality check. Scrypt mining will be on par with BTC at BEST in December or $350.00 per month. EACH MONTH WILL BE WORSE. At 2280 you will NOT pay off that machine. WAKE UP!! You can compare anything to anything. I also didn't say anything was "better than in the traditional investing world". I said that compared to the traditional investing world, the profits are much much higher, and compared to the traditional investing world, the risk is much much higher. There is nothing false about that statement. Just because we can't quantify the risk of investing in crypto, doesn't mean we can't observe it (as we all obviously do and can agree). Also, if you think these will be selling for $800-$900 USD 4-5 months from now, you're the one that obviously doesn't understand this game at all and obviously hasn't been around for too long. Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. You're hopeless. I told you before, I spent 30 years in institutional level derivatives and options trading working with the best and most ruthless. I've seen countless starry eyed dreamers like you get their skin ripped off. You're a classic case. It's obvious you're trying to convince yourself. Best of luck to you. So instead of countering the points I've made to continue what could be called a constructive conversation on the profitability of mining you instead call me hopeless and a classic case, you tell me that I'm trying to convince myself, and you tell me that I'm talking a bunch of gibberish? If you can't reply with something constructive, why reply at all? I was genuinely interested in why you think you can't at all compare crypto investing traditional investing, but if you're not looking for a semi-intelligent conversation and instead would like to plug your ears, close your eyes, shake your head, march around, and scream "I'm right" like a child, go ahead. I gave you the argument. You ignored it. Do you know what S7's are selling for. Cheap, because they are "old Technology" You don't have as long as you might think to run these machines. Moore's law? It's a race to the bottom. But no worries, you're right. Rock on. I wish you all the best. I really do. I'd love to be wrong. I'm just not. |
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Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. You're hopeless. I told you before, I spent 30 years in institutional level derivatives and options trading working with the best and most ruthless. I've seen countless starry eyed dreamers like you get their skin ripped off. You're a classic case. It's obvious you're trying to convince yourself. Best of luck to you.
Sounds like some one worked for Lehman... sorry couldn't resist I know Cheap shot... Sorry... HAHAHA!!! I DID!! But not when they went down. That's where I started. Actually was a great place to work for a while. Lehman, Cantor Fitzgerald, JP Morgan, GSA all the filthy scumbag thieving banks. That's what sparked my passion for this stuff. I hope they all go down in flames.....even though I know they won't. Been in the belly of the beast. It's way uglier than most people know. |
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L3+ is 2280 USD, Shipping: 11-20 Nov
A bit pricey but should still be able to turn nice profits.
Nope you are looking at 12 months ROI don't forget 4 more batches shipping before that one. 12 months ROI is the expected ROI once they actually ship out in November. Right now the ROI is 1/3 that, but of course we're expecting the difficulty to rise by the time they ship. 12 month ROI - assuming that's how long it will actually take - is very good relative to traditional investments where those kinds of profits only exist in your imagination. Yeah but anything over 6 months is risky in crypto world i remember when original butterfly came out a lot of people never got the money back. Edit: you cannot compare traditional investment to crypto world Risky of course, but some would agree that the potential profits are worth the potential risks. Making all of your money back in 12 months is unheard of in the traditional investing world, and the amount of risk in the crypto world is unheard of in the traditional investing world. It all depends on your risk level I suppose. I'm not getting any because it would push me over the 220v 100a threshold that I don't want to pass for my October batch that I got. Dude you need to stop with that line "better than in the traditional investing world". That's patently false. Number 1 this is comparable to NOTHING in the traditional investing world because you have NO WAY of quantifying your risk. Second, I can buy Bonds, Notes Annuities and get GAURANTEED returns. Nothing is remotely guaranteed here. You need to take a reality check. Scrypt mining will be on par with BTC at BEST in December or $350.00 per month. EACH MONTH WILL BE WORSE. At 2280 you will NOT pay off that machine. WAKE UP!! You can compare anything to anything. I also didn't say anything was "better than in the traditional investing world". I said that compared to the traditional investing world, the profits are much much higher, and compared to the traditional investing world, the risk is much much higher. There is nothing false about that statement. Just because we can't quantify the risk of investing in crypto, doesn't mean we can't observe it (as we all obviously do and can agree). Also, if you think these will be selling for $800-$900 USD 4-5 months from now, you're the one that obviously doesn't understand this game at all and obviously hasn't been around for too long. Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. You're hopeless. I told you before, I spent 30 years in institutional level derivatives and options trading working with the best and most ruthless. I've seen countless starry eyed dreamers like you get their skin ripped off. You're a classic case. It's obvious you're trying to convince yourself. Best of luck to you. |
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"Upgraded our servers"......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! GOOD JOB!! NOT
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L3+ is 2280 USD, Shipping: 11-20 Nov
A bit pricey but should still be able to turn nice profits.
You're in a dream world. You just don't understand this game at all. Mark this down. By January 2018 Scrypt mining will pay $250.00 P/M. With a real possibility of going lower. In January - February, I'll be buying these servers for 800-900 USD. What's your hurry to pay so much. Resellers are popping up all over the world trying to boost these things while Scrypt Profit is cliff diving. Do the math. |
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L3+ is 2280 USD, Shipping: 11-20 Nov
A bit pricey but should still be able to turn nice profits.
Nope you are looking at 12 months ROI don't forget 4 more batches shipping before that one. 12 months ROI is the expected ROI once they actually ship out in November. Right now the ROI is 1/3 that, but of course we're expecting the difficulty to rise by the time they ship. 12 month ROI - assuming that's how long it will actually take - is very good relative to traditional investments where those kinds of profits only exist in your imagination. Yeah but anything over 6 months is risky in crypto world i remember when original butterfly came out a lot of people never got the money back. Edit: you cannot compare traditional investment to crypto world Risky of course, but some would agree that the potential profits are worth the potential risks. Making all of your money back in 12 months is unheard of in the traditional investing world, and the amount of risk in the crypto world is unheard of in the traditional investing world. It all depends on your risk level I suppose. I'm not getting any because it would push me over the 220v 100a threshold that I don't want to pass for my October batch that I got. Dude you need to stop with that line "better than in the traditional investing world". That's patently false. Number 1 this is comparable to NOTHING in the traditional investing world because you have NO WAY of quantifying your risk. Second, I can buy Bonds, Notes Annuities and get GAURANTEED returns. Nothing is remotely guaranteed here. You need to take a reality check. Scrypt mining will be on par with BTC at BEST in December or $350.00 per month. EACH MONTH WILL BE WORSE. At 2280 you will NOT pay off that machine. WAKE UP!! |
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This is why we have escrow - Especially philipma1957!
Thank you philipma1957!
I was wondering when you overpayed in shipping did the "seller" reimburse you that amount? I just found it weird that seemed to be something that I thought to myself, a scammer wouldn't do. I guess he was playing the long game hoping maybe someone would bypass Escrow or something. Thanks again philipma1957, I really appreciate you offering to reimburse us our shipping, that is a stand up gesture that goes above and beyond. Maybe one day we'll actually get to see the end of a good deal lol. On a side note I really liked your setup for moving the air flow around your mine. No, I did not get the over payment reimbursed. Thanks to escrow through philipma1957 we were saved A LOT of money! As to the reply by BenRickert, Don't stress about it. What goes around comes around. Not stressed at all, I would just like to be the one to deliver his Karma personally. |
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Does anyone know if a U.S. Consumer has to deal with customs when shipping through UPS for these things? Never ordered out of country before.
I have never had that issue. UPS has been smooth for me. I'm in USA. ( probably just jinxed myself). |
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$9,000.00!!! LMAO!! And he's probably been mining with it since June!! |
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I'm sure that dirt bag is reading the forum and admiring his work. Filthy lowlife coward POS. If I had 3 minutes with you, you'd never walk or use your arms again you maggot. You were obviously raised by pure human garbage.
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All three are reserved.  Meaning sold or still available? What batch is this and when are they available? |
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