I pretty much agree with everything you've just said secoccular

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Without Rob there is no developer to continue BiblePay developing with the same time commitment and passion,
and as investors that is the risk we have taken investing into the project
(as opposed to Dash coin, that has a team of developers and large monthly funding to pay developers)
[I feel like maybe people didn't understand this risk when they invested though]

Theres the ideals of what people want things to be, and then theres the reality of how things really are

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I very much value freedom of speech and open communication, and I have never silenced anyone (other than spammers)

(Sun decided the other day to ban Rob from Discord... I unbanned him)

If Sun is going to keep pushing his ownership/control interpretation though, I will keep pushing my interpretation, I do not want people being misled

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I believe many in the project have been overly critical, and have spent time talking a lot,
which is okay, discussion is good and great ideas can come from that,
but we need to help spread the coin, to help grow the coin and increase the value,
we have lots of people with opinions (and many lurkers), but not many doers

I recently documented all my marketing/advertising ideas/discussions again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51053114#msg51053114
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51053212#msg51053212
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51062536#msg51062536

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I dont claim to point any fingers, to me its as simple as it being a brutal 1 1/2 year bear market, and us going through a lot of changes

We havent spent much of any time/money/thinking on Advertising/Marketing,
we can have a great product, but if no one knows about it?

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In the past few months I have:
- commented about BiblePay in multiple Bitcointalk threads
- commented about BiblePay on masternode articles
- updated the website to reflect all new changes
- updated the ANN post to reflect all new changes
- updated the mining guides
- posted my charity investigation into the public
- helped test new evolution code in testnet, helped others setup testnet masternodes
- continually post BiblePay updates to reddit and twitter
- clicked like on other Christians on Twitter, replied about BBP to other crypto charity initiatives on Twitter (Dash Text, Binance Charity Foundation)
- posted again about how PrivateSend/CoinMixing works and run one coin mixer
- tried to get Rapture coin to merge with us
- posted on all other Christian coin bitcointalk threads
- posted about cryptocurrency to a Christian subreddit
- confirmed that GIN hosted masternodes can vote
- still run the main block explorer
- contacted Christian / Libertarian websites
- wrote medium article, got us published on Masternode Buzz
- wrote recent email newsletter
- updated our Facebook and boosted a post, tried to get us enabled for ads on Twitter
- clarified our number of orphan sponsorships and how to view them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts;start=20
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts;start=40
https://www.reddit.com/user/togoshige/
https://twitter.com/BiblePay/likes
https://twitter.com/BiblePay/with_replies
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=15
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=30

Ive been mainly just trying to keep information flowing from the forums to the rest of our community and to the crypto community
and to help out where I can (updating info, helping test, etc)
I wish there was more funding so I could do more!

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Many of you in this thread do not even have Forum Signatures to help spread BiblePay!
that is an easy first step to help spread BiblePay on the most highly used forum for crypto miners/investors!
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7s1qsy/bitcointalk_forum_signature_guide/

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I think a lot of technical people are against marketing/advertising for some reason, they dont value it or they think lowly of it

I also think people do not like stepping outside their comfort zones either, but we are all part of this startup, we can all try on and wear many hats,
Do you guys really think I have any idea I know what Im doing LOL, Im just winging it

If its silly to debate opinion, then why do you keep debating?

The data is that Rob only owns ~20-25% of masternodes, but somehow in your mind, this means he is in control

Im not sure how anyone who owns 25% of anything is in control of it?
If I own 25% of a business, am I in control of it? No

Its a silly opinion to have, and youve gone down a silly path of weird definitions to push your opinion

I believe in your mind that you cant believe that there are other people in the community who actually support proposals that Rob supports

Have you unknowingly surrounded yourself with only people that share your opinions?
Do the messages from other community members you see only represent a subset of the community?

You act as if you speak for everyone else in the community, You do not

Like Ive said before, there are many in the community who lurk, who dont talk, who are in the background, but yet you speak for them? You do not

So talking further, what are the steps for someone to invest:

1. They first have to buy Bitcoin, so they create an account on an exchange where they can buy Bitcoin with their government fiat money
2. They link their bank account or credit or debit card (Note: may have to verify personal information for KYC (Know Your Customer))
3. If using coinbase, they do a market order and get their first Bitcoin
https://www.coinbase.com/

Then to buy BiblePay, they have to use another exchange

4. They create an account on a 2nd exchange
5. They generate Bitcoin deposit address on 2nd exchange
6. They send Bitcoin from 1st exchange to 2nd exchange
7. They wait multiple hours
8. They then, now with more scary/confusing chart and numbers, buy BBP with their BTC
https://www.southxchange.com/Market/Book/BBP/BTC

If they dont trust the exchange to hold their funds (I dont: Not your Keys, Not your Coins)
but also risk themselves losing the coins or getting hacked or forgetting their password:

9. Download BiblePay Wallet, Sync the Wallet to the network
10. Generate BiblePay address
11. Send BiblePay from 2nd Exchange to Wallet
12. Encrypt Wallet, Create Wallet Backups

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Theres a lot of steps!
(Why hasnt anyone made a video on how to do this???)
What regular person is willing to go through all of these steps to invest? Who is technical enough to do it, and also not mess up?

So you have potential target audiences of:
- Stock Trader background
- IT/Technical background
- People who are already Crypto/Altcoin Investors

People already invested into crypto are the easiest to market to,
because you dont have to sell them on Bitcoin/crypto, the first hurdle (why invest?),
and they already know how to invest and use wallets, the second hurdle (education)

Why Invest?
Why invest in Bitcoin?
Why then trade that Bitcoin for BiblePay?
Do we do a good job of why people should invest? How can we do better? What are the compelling reasons?

How to invest?
Do we do a good job of making it easy for people to invest?
Do we do a good job of educating people?
How can we do better?

And just repeating, Who are our target audiences? How do we market to them? How do we get them to find us?

If we want more investors, we need to figure these things out, and implement good solutions!

Reposting Advertising/Marketing Ideas:


Updates:
- I sent an appeal to Twitter Ads and they rejected us and left our ad ban on
- Facebook gave me $10 free ad credit, and they approved our post boost! (they had previously rejected one many months ago)

I may enter a proposal to get more funding for Facebook ads, ---- https://www.facebook.com/BiblePay/
I think we should also start reaching out to journalists

Christcoin is a dead coin now, but look what places it got articles:
https://baptistnews.com/article/market-christian-cryptocurrency-christ-coin-aims-find/#.XNs1E45KiUk
https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/first-cryptocurrency-god-christ-coin
https://religionnews.com/2017/10/04/christ-coin-launches-as-first-faith-based-cryptocurrency/
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/christ-coin-new-christian-digital-currency-launches-with-rewards-for-the-faithful/115333.htm

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Anyone can get paid BBP for helping do work for BiblePay!
http://wiki.biblepay.org/UnderstandingGovernance

Here is an incomplete ownership list of different resources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/9utdsh/biblepay_ownership_list/

We need help running an email newsletter
We need help advertising our monthly budget proposals
We need help communicating on Facebook
We need help creating youtube videos
We need help writing articles

Other Links:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg49403001#msg49403001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg49488109#msg49488109

Twitter Profile
https://twitter.com/BiblePay

Medium article I wrote on April & March updates for community and Masternode Buzz:
https://masternode.buzz/dailybuzz-thursday-9-may-2019/
https://medium.com/biblepay-news/biblepay-2019-march-april-updates-f7863c5e8f2f

Recent Newsletter to subscribers:
https://www.biblepay.org/?na=v&nk=803-4d5615cc89&id=13

Sign up link for Newsletters:
https://www.biblepay.org/newsletter/

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Who our target audiences are,
How to Market/Advertise to them
and how to best explain BiblePay in one or more lines or pictures
has been in debate and still unclear

We've had debates on how the ANN post should look, What are ANN title should be,
how the Website should look and function, etc etc etc

Im open to any feedback, and we can use all the help we can get!
and I dont think theres necessarily any right answer, it can be pretty subjective
(the only way to be more scientific would be to do A/B testing)

But Id love for us to discuss who are target audiences are and how to best market/appeal to them
and what actions we can take to get more investors

Thinking Out loud questions:
- How do we reach the people that would be most interested in BiblePay?
- How do people find BiblePay?
- What do they see when they find us?
- Why would someone be interested investing in BiblePay?
- How easy is the path to invest?
- How do they stay in the loop / up to date?

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Also to anyone reading, if you dont have a Twitter account, its easy to get one!: https://twitter.com/i/flow/signup?lang=en

We are Masternode Buzz's Daily Sponsor Today!
https://masternode.buzz/dailybuzz-thursday-9-may-2019/

Twitter link
https://twitter.com/Masternode_Buzz/status/1126460606406647808

I went through 50+ pages of old Rob posts and found these relevant posts:

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Understanding BiblePay Masternode Governance:
http://wiki.biblepay.org/UnderstandingGovernance

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Robs publically claimed he owns 20-25% of masternodes 3 months ago

Id still like to see your analysis though Sun

I still support the masternode system and I support Rob owning whatever he owns

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The criticisms the masternode system faces are not new, read these Dash comments:

IAMA Masternode owner who rarely votes
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/567o23/iama_masternode_owner_who_rarely_votes/

MNO voting behaviour
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/alfmn1/mno_voting_behaviour/

Best way for non-masternode DASH users to influence DASH budget proposals?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5ay0vl/best_way_for_nonmasternode_dash_users_to/d9mb99f

We should change voting from Masternodes to EVERYONE
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/64fuyf/we_should_change_voting_from_masternodes_to/

Will masternode voting eventually lead to Dash being controlled by the wealthy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/7dthw5/will_masternode_voting_eventually_lead_to_dash/

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I disagree with sunk818 and secoccular on their view of non-voters and how it relates to control, non-voters still have control, theyre choosing not to use it and to let the proposals go the direction they are going, if they cared to change the direction of a vote, they would vote --- Any masternode owner has money on the line, why would they choose to not vote if it went against their view on how to increase the value of their money?

Masternode Owner Confession from an above link:
"I have masternodes, and I rarely vote. I run masternodes for a friend, who rarely votes. I see a lot of arguments about people upset that proposals often pass or fail with less than half of nodes voting. I dont think those people understand the reasons why so I thought I would give some insight.

Am I lazy? No.

Do I give a shit? Yes

Then why do I rarely vote?

Because I am happy with the outcome most of the time. When I do vote, it's often last minute on a proposal that's close, or risks superseding something I care about. If it doesn't meet one of the above criteria, I don't vote."

sunk818, [07.05.19 12:36]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Rob put a proposal in to change GridCoin to have masternodes component and the community voted against him. So, he learned from that. He made BiblePay added a masternode component and has had voting control through masternode ownership ever since.

Togoshige, [07.05.19 12:40]
@sunk818 Do you have any proof that Rob has "voting control" of BiblePay?

Togoshige, [07.05.19 12:40]
to have full voting control you would need to own 55%+ of the masternodes ("Proposal approval occurs when yes votes minus no votes equals 10% or more of the total available votes.")

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:08]
[In reply to Togoshige]
I've done blockchain analysis to see how many masternodes he owns. I estimate he has 125-150 masternodes. That means he has voting control..

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:14]
[In reply to K - GIN▪XZC▪ZEN▪POLIS]
Dangerous in the sense that power is consolidated to fewer people and those that want to join now need to purchase more BBP to get involved. This will ensure Rob will cement his voting power plus spend less on hosting fees to do it. Its a win-win for him.  Unfortunately, the voting details are not working right now... https://forum.biblepay.org/cc/governance/116850 — but when non-Rob masternode holders voted against this proposal, all of the sudden, there was a 100 yes votes, then another 25 yes more from recently created masternodes originating from addresses that Rob owned. They came from the Orphan Foundation address and his Proof of Giving (BME6) address.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:15]
@sunk818 Document your analysis for all to see and view over, otherwise its just speculation

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:15]
I just want to be clear that this project is centralized lead by one person. Nothing wrong with that. Many small altcoins have to operate this way. Its that Rob wants to give this miscommunication of the project being "decentralized" by a "community".

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:15]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Anyone can see on the blockchain. I've posted the links on Discord before.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:15]
Assuming Rob does own 25% of masternodes, how is that voting control? Only 35% have to vote against

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:16]
Do you understand what "voting control" means?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:17]
What does voting control mean to you?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:17]
Why are you trying to FUD what I've written?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:17]
Why are you spreading FUD?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:17]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Apparently, not the same as yours. You want to count total masternodes.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:18]
Explain your definition then

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:18]
[In reply to Togoshige]
There's no FUD in what I've written. — only truth.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:18]
because 150 masternodes out of 600 masternodes is not control

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:18]
rob votes + other votes = total votes

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:19]
rob votes / total votes = rob has voting control

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:19]
You have no documentation to back up your claim of how many masternodes Rob may own, show me your full documentation/analysis

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:19]
You assume people that are not voting dont count?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:19]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Why? You're already calling me FUDster.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:20]
[In reply to Togoshige]
people that do not vote are not voters.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:20]
that is by definition

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:21]
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/tx.dws?772869.htm

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:21]
follow the biggest output - that leads you to: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/tx.dws?924074.htm

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:21]
Choosing not to vote is a choice, they still have voting power, but you seem to like to not count them in at all

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:22]
What is the Total Votes for your equation?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:23]
[In reply to Togoshige]
not voting is a choice, but by definition, that is not a vote.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:23]
I just looked at the consolidation proposal, there were 424 total votes

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:24]
Assuming like you say that Rob has 150 votes, thats 150/424 = ~35%

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:24]
that is not voting control like you claim

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:25]
and you still have not shown your full analysis/proof of how many masternodes you believe Rob to have, it is just speculation

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:26]
I just gave you a link.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:27]
If that's your attitude, I don't need to bother.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:27]
You gave a link that shows 39 million BBP

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:28]
Rob only needed 10% over 163.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:28]
Ive disproven your claim of voting control

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:28]
Unless voting control to you means 25% masternodes, 35% of masternodes that vote

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:28]
LOL

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:28]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Not really. You picked one proposal that had the biggest turnout ever.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:29]
Look at every other proposal that passed since the inception of the project.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:29]
Oh so now the parameters of what Total Votes means changes? And all the non-voters get cast out still?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:32]
total votes are by proposal. how else do you calculate it?

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:32]
non-voters are not voters. why do you keep bringing up a point that's a red herring.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:33]
Just because they dont vote now on something, doesnt mean they wont vote later, look at the consolidation proposal

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:33]
Yes, I have no argument with that. What's your point?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:34]
You claim Rob has voting control, assuming your numbers, I disproved you on that, or do you feel that my analysis is incorrect?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:35]
Or will your stance change to, "sometimes" Rob has voting control lol

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:35]
because of others not voting

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:35]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Yes, your analysis is incorrect. You looked at one proposal.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:35]
There were others that voted yes on that proposal.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:39]
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/tx.dws?924071.htm is the link I sent you for Apr 2019 where he created 25 masternodes to swing the vote his way.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:48]
Im all for transparency, but youve made false claims of voting control and keep changing your definitions and parameters on it, and on the masternode ownership count you havent documented your analysis publically all together in a report and have only given 2 explorer links today —— I want the truth to be spread, not speculation, and youve been spreading speculation as fact

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:53]
[In reply to Togoshige]
That's your opinion. I've made no false claims. Your reception to the link I've posted shows you're not interested in transparency.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:54]
I've not changed any definitions on the definition of "voting control". You misunderstand what it means to vote vs owning a masternode.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:54]
I guess you're not familiar with how the voting process works.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:55]
sunk818, [08.05.19 12:18]
rob votes + other votes = total votes

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:19]
rob votes / total votes = rob has voting control

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:55]
Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:23]
I just looked at the consolidation proposal, there were 424 total votes

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:24]
Assuming like you say that Rob has 150 votes, thats 150/424 = ~35%

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:55]
And then after that you couldnt define what  "total votes" means

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:56]
total votes is 424.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:57]
plus the 4 that put in abstain vote

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:57]
Then how does your claim that "Rob has voting control" stand up against this?, Ive shown that Rob, by your numbers, Did in fact not have voting control

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:58]
150 is enough to influence the vote and have voting control

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:58]
So now your definition changes once again

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:59]
My definition hasn't changed. You keep saying that.

sunk818, [08.05.19 12:59]
You think he needs to have 250 yes votes to have voting control?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:00]
He just needs to vote enough to get to 10% net yes and that's voting control for DASH & BiblePay.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:22]
Your spreading misinformation that Rob has control of voting, Ive disproven you, Why cant you accept it?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:24]
[In reply to Togoshige]
LOL, because your assertion is not true.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:24]
In your mind, b/c someone may own 25% of masternodes, they are somehow in control, And thats not true at all, To be fully in control, to where no one could ever vote against you, you would need to own 55% of masternodes, so the other 45% could not outvote you, so that youd always have to the 10% you need to pass

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:25]
Your math is bad because only the masternodes that vote count in any proposal.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:25]
Youve gone down some weird path of this definition of yours "voting control", which doesnt make any sense

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:26]
Ugh, it makes perfect sense. You've never voted on board proposals in real life?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:26]
Do you own stocks at all?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:27]
I went along with you on your definition of "voting control" to see where it would go, and I showed a case where Rob could not have had "voting control" and you dismissed it and changed definitions again and brought up some "influence" factor, And yet you still claim he has "voting control"

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:28]
[In reply to Togoshige]
I'll give you a hypothetical. Say Rob didn't want this to pass or there's a proposal for lapdances at a strip club. He could vote his 150 NO on the proposal. He has voting control because he can bring up the result he wants on any proposal. That's voting control.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:33]
Your definition changes once again, now "voting control" is, having enough votes to sway a controversial proposal in either directoin after everyone else has voted ———— What if it were 50 Yes votes and 50 No Votes on Proposal X, does that mean anyone with 10+ masternodes would have "voting control" by your definition?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:35]
[In reply to Togoshige]
That's not an accurate example.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:36]
Its misleading to get the answer you want.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:36]
Do you agree Rob made extra 25 masternodes ~April 15?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:37]
Lets not mix the two subjects yet, Im still trying to understand your definition of "voting control", it keeps changing

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:37]
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/tx.dws?924074.htm

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:37]
[In reply to Togoshige]
😂 I'm not going for your bad example. Its not the same.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:37]
I provided a good example, and applied your current definition of "voting control", but now you claim that that is not "voting control"?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:37]
lol

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:37]
That's a terrible example. My example is actual numbers.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:38]
My question though is related about the 25 masternodes.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:38]
Bear with me.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:39]
So, the vote first-second week of April was the proposal was as NET NO.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:39]
Rob then made 25+ masternodes to get it to a NET YES

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:39]
Sun, maybe in fact, you are the one that is "misleading to get the answer you want.", I keep using your definitions and I keep proving you wrong, and you then keep changing the definition, and now you are saying my example is bad, when its a totally plausible and good example, before that you brought up some "influence" factor, how deep will you keep going to try and twist things and change things to fit your false narrative?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:41]
If it were a false narrative, then you'd have to explain why Rob reacted to  net NO on that proposal, created 25 masternodes, voted yes with them, to get to NET yes.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:42]
The blockchain has all the evidence written in plain sight for all to see.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:42]
Then why reject my previous example?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:42]
I applied the same logic and definitions that you have to that example

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:43]
"What if it were 50 Yes votes and 50 No Votes on Proposal X, does that mean anyone with 10+ masternodes would have "voting control" by your definition?"

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:43]
Alright, I'll bite.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:43]
""voting control" is, having enough votes to sway a controversial proposal in either directoin after everyone else has voted"

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:43]
150 yes/150 no.

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:44]
the 150 yes votes are from rob, and 150 no votes are from others

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:44]
25 more yes votes are from rob

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:45]
I accept your example

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:47]
So by your definition of "voting control", Rob only has "voting control" on controversial/split proposals with lots of votes? —- How often do we have split proposals like that? —-What of proposals where most vote in one direction? What of proposals where people dont really vote? —- Is there still "voting control" in those instances?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:51]
What do you think?

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:52]
look at march 2019: https://forum.biblepay.org/cc/governance/104550

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:52]
Im trying to understand your definition

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:52]
You rejected my example of 50 yes votes and 50 no votes meaning anyone with 10+ masternodes has "voting control"

sunk818, [08.05.19 13:54]
I accepted your example... I just changed it to real world examples 150 yes / 150 no, with 25 yes.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:54]
so 50 yes and 50 no could not happen in the real world?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:57]
And in your example of 150 and 150, could not another person with a high amount of masternodes change their vote or decide to vote as well?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:57]
Could not many people with a small amount of masternodes together decide to vote in one direction to chnage the vote?

Togoshige, [08.05.19 13:59]
Do the other whales not have" voting control"? Do those on the sidelines not have "voting control"? Do other groups of fish collectiveley together not have "voting control"? —- Or only "Rob" has "voting control"? With this assumed 25% of masternodes

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:00]
[In reply to Togoshige]
What's the reality vs the hypothetical. All your hypothetical obviously have a yes... do the proposals in real life bear that out? no.

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:01]
Essentially, we're stuck at total masternodes (togo) vs voting masternodes (me).

Togoshige, [08.05.19 14:06]
Youve continually been unable to define your concept of "voting control" and keep changing it ——- I proved a real world example of Rob not having "voting control" you wont accept it —— I believe your trying to push a narrative of Rob being in control of voting, when in fact he is not in control —— I believe you are spreading misinformation and misleading people

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:12]
[In reply to Togoshige]
Sorry, you've proven nothing.  If that's your opinion, you can have it. You're stuck on my "definitions" because that's seems to be the only thing you can attack. How does it feel to say to you are right? We will let the real community decide.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 14:23]
Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:23]
I just looked at the consolidation proposal, there were 424 total votes

Togoshige, [08.05.19 12:24]
Assuming like you say that Rob has 150 votes, thats 150/424 = ~35% voting power

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:31]
Yup, for BiblePay that's enough for voting control of every proposal.

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:31]
Its been a blessing because Rob never had to vote with that many, but he had to show his hands when so many NO votes appeared.

Togoshige, [08.05.19 14:35]
Sun your assuming my motives and feelings —— My goal is to increase the value of BBP, Im not sure if you share that goal —— especially with your words the past weeks given your falling out with Rob ——- Im not enjoying debating you, I feel down actually —— Ill gladly post this debate for all to see so they can make up their own minds

sunk818, [08.05.19 14:37]
[In reply to Togoshige]
My goal is to increase the value of BBP as well. Not at the cost of transparency. Honesty is so important to a project, and there's a lot of trickery going on with Rob's framing BiblePay as "decentralized community" BiblePay is.

BiblePay 2019 March & April Updates
https://medium.com/biblepay-news/biblepay-2019-march-april-updates-f7863c5e8f2f

Published the article, let me know if anything is incorrect/missing/needs clarification, Thanks!

Here is my attempt at a draft on Medium:
https://medium.com/biblepay-news/biblepay-2019-march-april-updates-f7863c5e8f2f

Any and all feedback/help is appreciated!

BiblePay Updates over the past two months:
(We could put this into our newsletter and into a medium article)
(Anything I missed? Anyone interested to help write out this information better?)

==

Mandatory Upgrade v1.2.0.1
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/b1vaqi/mandatory_upgrade_v1201/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nmvm8/how_to_update_clean_wallets/

New 2nd Block Explorer
(Way faster and has more features!)
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/b9jv7g/2nd_explorer_released/

Rob, Founder and Lead Developer of BiblePay, Resigns from Gridcoin
http://pool.biblepay.org/SAN/Theology/Letter_of_Resignation_Gridcoin.pdf
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gridcoin/

==

Current Mining Guides and Mining History:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/ba81wh/current_block_reward_breakdown_mining_guides_and/

Current Block Reward Breakdown:
- 20.0% Monthly Budget
---- 10.0% Charity
----  5.0% IT (Software Development)
----  2.5% PR (Public Relations)
----  2.5% P2P (Letter Writing, Preach/Priest)
- 40.0% Proof of BibleHash Mining (POBH)
- 40.0% Masternodes (Sanctuaries)

Pool.biblepay.org is now Free!
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/bj7trx/poolbiblepayorg_is_now_free/
http://pool.biblepay.org/

==

Evolution Upgrade - What is it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/bifvpk/biblepay_evolution_what_is_it/

Evolution Testnet Testing
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.msg5518#msg5518

BiblePay Current and Future Features and Technological Progress
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Nutrition_Information
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/bb1n9e/biblepay_current_and_future_features_and/

==

Masternode Collateral increasing from 1.5 million BBP to 4.5 million BBP
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=394.0

Quantitivate Tightening is being added
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=397.0

How to Submit Proposals
http://wiki.biblepay.org/UnderstandingGovernance
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?board=5.0
https://www.biblepay.org/proposals/

==

Current Orphan Sponsorships (78 Orphans)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg50840921#msg50840921

Charity Donation Investigation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134996.0

==

SouthXchange is still the #1 exchange to buy and sell BBP
https://www.southxchange.com/Market/Book/BBP/BTC

==

Previous BiblePay Newsletter
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/am9hxq/biblepay_newsletter/

There is a user named Priyanshu in our Telegram who wants help on how to begin reading the bible
https://t.me/biblepay_airdrop

Also I posted this question on /r/Christianity subreddit (188k Members)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/bkfhng/should_christians_invest_in_bitcoin_and/

BiblePay (BBP) is still going strong, dev is working on upgrading code to Dash Evolution:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/bifvpk/biblepay_evolution_what_is_it/

CPU Mining is currently 40% of the blockchain reward, and pool.biblepay.org fees are 0 for next 3 months:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/ba81wh/current_block_reward_breakdown_mining_guides_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/bj7trx/poolbiblepayorg_is_now_free/

Lead Developer Rob came out publically as creator of Gridcoin from 2013:
http://pool.biblepay.org/SAN/Theology/Letter_of_Resignation_Gridcoin.pdf

BiblePay Roadmap:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Roadmap

BiblePay Nutritional Information (Comparison & Info Tables):
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Nutrition_Information

I wish I could afford a Dash masternode also

Are any of the masternode coins planning to upgrade to Dash Evolution?
Only coin I know currently upgrading is BiblePay

MasternodeBuzz - Masternode Hosting Platforms Comparison:
https://coins.masternode.buzz/hosting

Personally I am a fan of GIN,
very easy setup for less technical users
https://p.ginplatform.io/#

Masternodes.Online
https://masternodes.online/

Masternodes.Pro
https://masternodes.pro/statistics

CryptoSlate Masternode Coins
https://cryptoslate.com/cryptos/masternode/

=

Personally I believe Dash is the best, its the original and has the most marketcap, growth and future growth potential

These are some coins and projects Im aware about in the charity space:

=== Coins

Aid Coin
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/aidcoin/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2347477.0

PAWS Fund
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paws-fund/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5064253

Carebit (CARE)
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/carebit/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3156446.0

BiblePay (BBP)
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/biblepay/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.0

=== Projects

GiveCrypto (Coinbase)
https://www.givecrypto.org/

Binance Charity
https://www.binance.charity/

BitGive
https://www.bitgivefoundation.org/

Pineapple Fund
https://pineapplefund.org/

===== Donate Directly

Charity Navigator
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=6540

Givewell
https://www.givewell.org/about/donate/cryptocurrency

Fidelity Charitable
https://www.fidelitycharitable.org/giving-account/what-you-can-donate/donating-bitcoin-to-charity.shtml