Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread

[secoccular]

If its silly to debate opinion, then why do you keep debating?

The data is that Rob only owns ~20-25% of masternodes, but somehow in your mind, this means he is in control

Im not sure how anyone who owns 25% of anything is in control of it?
If I own 25% of a business, am I in control of it? No

Its a silly opinion to have, and youve gone down a silly path of weird definitions to push your opinion

I believe in your mind that you cant believe that there are other people in the community who actually support proposals that Rob supports

Have you unknowingly surrounded yourself with only people that share your opinions?
Do the messages from other community members you see only represent a subset of the community?

You act as if you speak for everyone else in the community, You do not

Like Ive said before, there are many in the community who lurk, who dont talk, who are in the background, but yet you speak for them? You do not

Your business analogy is not that relevant. We're talking control, not ownership. I'm not sure how at this point anyone is not calling this a monarch coin. I'm OK with that, but it is so strange to me that anyone would say Rob doesn't exert an incredible amount of influence over the coin. In fact, if it wins or fails, it's pretty much his doing. He seems to control the direction a lot.  He pushes his agendas, and seems to decide which direction things should go. Will anyone here describe Rob as open-minded, mellow, and deferring? No, he's a classic Type A personality. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it's so obvious to observe I'm unsure of how to debate a dissenting view.

The "Have you unkowningly surrounded yourself with only people that share your opinion?". That's a pretty funny projection. That's' the problem here, there's no real disucssion other than pro-Rob or anti-Rob. As a community, we really don't have much power. Even if we vote to go a different direction, Rob has stated he would quit. If the lead dev quits, the project is dead. That sounds like control to me. If anyone else quits, it's recoverable. If Rob quits, it's not. Not much of a choice when it comes down to it.

The assumptions and attacks on whether someone speaks for the community or not is ridiculous. We all have a voice, and trying to silence one says a lot. Communities that allow themselves to be torn apart and the monarch exerts control, usually die from lack of community support. This is just my observation from watching a whole lot of failed projects.

It doesn't matter how many lurkers there are. No one can guess that or speak to that. But one thing is clear, however many of them there are, they sure aren't buying the coin. Instead of pointing fingers, what is your idea Togo to get people to buy the coin. All this philosophy you and sunk are engaged in is empty if the coin ends up in the toilet like so many others. If we cared about the coin more, we'd address this issue instead of these debates.

[togoshigekata]

I pretty much agree with everything you've just said secoccular

=

Without Rob there is no developer to continue BiblePay developing with the same time commitment and passion,
and as investors that is the risk we have taken investing into the project
(as opposed to Dash coin, that has a team of developers and large monthly funding to pay developers)
[I feel like maybe people didn't understand this risk when they invested though]

Theres the ideals of what people want things to be, and then theres the reality of how things really are

=

I very much value freedom of speech and open communication, and I have never silenced anyone (other than spammers)

(Sun decided the other day to ban Rob from Discord... I unbanned him)

If Sun is going to keep pushing his ownership/control interpretation though, I will keep pushing my interpretation, I do not want people being misled

=

I believe many in the project have been overly critical, and have spent time talking a lot,
which is okay, discussion is good and great ideas can come from that,
but we need to help spread the coin, to help grow the coin and increase the value,
we have lots of people with opinions (and many lurkers), but not many doers

I recently documented all my marketing/advertising ideas/discussions again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51053114#msg51053114
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51053212#msg51053212
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51062536#msg51062536

=

I dont claim to point any fingers, to me its as simple as it being a brutal 1 1/2 year bear market, and us going through a lot of changes

We havent spent much of any time/money/thinking on Advertising/Marketing,
we can have a great product, but if no one knows about it?

=

In the past few months I have:
- commented about BiblePay in multiple Bitcointalk threads
- commented about BiblePay on masternode articles
- updated the website to reflect all new changes
- updated the ANN post to reflect all new changes
- updated the mining guides
- posted my charity investigation into the public
- helped test new evolution code in testnet, helped others setup testnet masternodes
- continually post BiblePay updates to reddit and twitter
- clicked like on other Christians on Twitter, replied about BBP to other crypto charity initiatives on Twitter (Dash Text, Binance Charity Foundation)
- posted again about how PrivateSend/CoinMixing works and run one coin mixer
- tried to get Rapture coin to merge with us
- posted on all other Christian coin bitcointalk threads
- posted about cryptocurrency to a Christian subreddit
- confirmed that GIN hosted masternodes can vote
- still run the main block explorer
- contacted Christian / Libertarian websites
- wrote medium article, got us published on Masternode Buzz
- wrote recent email newsletter
- updated our Facebook and boosted a post, tried to get us enabled for ads on Twitter
- clarified our number of orphan sponsorships and how to view them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts;start=20
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087591;sa=showPosts;start=40
https://www.reddit.com/user/togoshige/
https://twitter.com/BiblePay/likes
https://twitter.com/BiblePay/with_replies
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=15
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=30

Ive been mainly just trying to keep information flowing from the forums to the rest of our community and to the crypto community
and to help out where I can (updating info, helping test, etc)
I wish there was more funding so I could do more!

=

Many of you in this thread do not even have Forum Signatures to help spread BiblePay!
that is an easy first step to help spread BiblePay on the most highly used forum for crypto miners/investors!
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7s1qsy/bitcointalk_forum_signature_guide/

=

I think a lot of technical people are against marketing/advertising for some reason, they dont value it or they think lowly of it

I also think people do not like stepping outside their comfort zones either, but we are all part of this startup, we can all try on and wear many hats,
Do you guys really think I have any idea I know what Im doing LOL, Im just winging it

[sunk818]

If we cared about the coin more, we'd address this issue instead of these debates.

That's been my intention all along, but somewhere along the way, I stopped caring. Only the Holy Spirit can change Rob.

[sunk818]

[I feel like maybe people didn't understand this risk when they invested though]

This is why I state transparency is important.

[cuarc001]

I feel people don't invest in this coin because it is too complicated for unnecessary reasons. I think Rob's constant tinkering with what he calls "features" or "innovation" brings way too much headache to everyone else whom is more interested in a stable coin/wallet. His constant boasts of his ideas not having bugs and then later comes out there were bugs doesn't help either. Nobody is a perfect coder. It is one thing to say that nobody has reported a bug. It is another to claim that there "are no bugs". If he is all about sticking to the facts and "not misleading investors" then he needs to do just that. Rob was very clear what was in his heart when he immediately threatened to label me a Satanist because I disagreed with his reasoning on BOINC on Apple devices and Apple's stance on not allowing apps that pull executables from 3rd parties to run within the app. Apparently he knows more than several others Dev's that have been trying to get DC projects in the app store for almost a decade. I'm still waiting on them to accomplish their goal of an Apple miner app. If grandma cannot figure out Walmart Pay, Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Apple Pay, etc.... then he is delusional to think his app is anywhere remotely close to the common person or a 5 year old to use.

People continue to call this a charity coin rather than support Rob's idea. The core mission is to bring more to God. However, I don't see how all his gimmicks are really converting people to God. Charity work can do that but I don't see donating money converting people to God. I believe it comes from our labors.

Seeing how crummy this Dev treats those that have truly tried to help out and embrace this coin speaks volumes as to why many won't want to put money here. If you want people to come here, make another Dev the face of the coin.

As far as the argument on control. Sunk has a legitimate argument. One doesn't need 51% to have controlling majority. 51% is controlling ownership. When all it takes is 1 person to sway the decision one way but takes 25+ to sway it back, then that is definitely seen as having control. Especially when you rarely have 51% of the voters (not nodes) actually participating in voting. Those votes may "matter" from a philosophical stand point, but from reality they don't unless they are cast. One person casting a lot of votes is much more influencing than a few casting minimal votes.

[sunk818]

Slovakia, if you want to post here again just send me a PM with the apology for:

- Calling us a scam
- Calling me an orphan fund thief
- Swearing

If you explain that you were wrong about these things, and also Repent and tell us you will never do these things again, I will restore access.

God Bless You,
Rob

I love how Rob sets conditions for redemption for others (including myself). Yet he never sets the same standards for himself. What an ego and lack of humility in his own follies. We're all human right? But it takes a courageous person to admit weakness.

[sunk818]

• You can buy a Subway gift card at https://pool.biblepay.org.

I bought a Subway gift card using BiblePay. It came to me via FedEx from Walmart. Kind of neat to use BBP to buy gift cards.

Hopefully, he offers Amazon gift cards as an eCode. It'd be pretty easy to include a signed message with your e-mail inside.

[sunk818]

** Two Ways to get Sha256 Hash of a BiblePay binary **

Method 1: 
Download the binary, and once you know its name you can type it in the browser to get the sha256hash:
For example:  You use the windows 64 bit release, the downloaded filename is : biblepayevo64.exe
URL:  https://biblepay.org/biblepayevo64.hash.htm
(You can bookmark the URL for your platform).

Method 2:
Navigate to the https://biblepay.org website and click on the Top level menu | Wallet | Expand the subsection for your OS | Click on Release Name - Hash

** Two ways to verify the Sha hash per OS **

Method 1 (Linux):
Type sha256sum downloaded_file_name

Method 2 (Windows):
certutil -hashfile downloaded_file_name

NOTE:  We are still deploying this solution, so at this time only the Windows hashes are available.  MIP will update us when the Linux hashes are available.
(These will all automatically update each time we release).

Just downloaded from the website and cross checked the sha256 hash, looks good! Also, a tip for users who use 7Zip, you can go to settings and enable "CRC SHA" as a context menu item, so you can check all files easily on right click.

While you're at it, could you perhaps look into signing the exe so that Windows treats it with more confidence and new users don't doubt the validity of the files?

Nice of you to join PoG. I thought Orbis had a lot of prominence and then you beat Orbis 10x

[sunk818]

When we designed POG rewards, we deliberately focused on the free balance rewarding the small staker (IE the people who didn't own sanctuaries or balances of those that are not invested in sanctuaries).

I am disturbed to hear that some people are trying to unlock sanctuary funds to capture the POG stake reward and then re-lock them.
IMHO, this is unfair, because the rich are exploiting the poor in this case.

There is currently no penalty for doing this in this version (In the version in testnet we have prevented that).

Nevertheless, could someone please volunteer for the auditing position, and keep an eye on these stakes and create a weekly report of CPKs that use up Sanctuary coin-age?

I'm considering either an emergency release that prevents this behavior; or a penalty for those who do this.

Now that this information is out, please stop doing this.

This was mentioned 8 days ago by SEO Account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg51502511#msg51502511

[sunk818]

Is BiblePay QT wallet phoning home to pool.biblepay.org ?

Code:

2019-06-24 16:36:53 Trying connection to GET /SAN/LastMandatoryVersion.htm HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0/1.4.3.6
Host: pool.biblepay.org
Content-Length: 0
Action: 
Agent: 1.4.3.6
Miner: 
NetworkID: main
OS: MAC
Solution: 
ThreadID: 0

 Received HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Type: text/html
Last-Modified: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:23:16 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "82a231b11ced41:0"
Server: Microsoft-IIS/8.5
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:36:53 GMT
Content-Length: 9

1.1.8.9

[sunk818]

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Local/Greytown-Gazette/children-given-new-hope-20190716

Children given new hope
2019-07-17 06:02
Andile Sithole
PHOTO: Staff and management of Khayalami with some of the children at the centre.

IN an effort to keep Nelson Mandela’s spirit alive, local NPO Khayalami Children’s Home has taken an initiative to spread love to abandoned children and orphans.

Khayalami was formed in 2004 as an NPO by Miriam and Hans Christian Holst and the local board as overseers. Being an orphanage and house for the homeless, the centre believes that it is important to know both traditional and modern culture and try to expose the children to both as much as possible.

[sunk818]

Orphanages are not necessary, says Kandiah
Reformer campaigns for children to be cared for in families

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2019/23-august/news/uk/orphanages-are-not-necessary-says-kandiah

[cuarc001]

Still censoring posts in the main thread. Seriously, this offends you Rob?

"Got on the wrong chain again. Today it showed me tripling the total amount in my wallet. Stripping everything yet again. Let's see what happens this time."

[sunk818]

Still censoring posts in the main thread. Seriously, this offends you Rob?

"Got on the wrong chain again. Today it showed me tripling the total amount in my wallet. Stripping everything yet again. Let's see what happens this time."

Odd. That seems so harmless... SVK Noko said his post was deleted but didn't get notification


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-26/former-church-chairman-indicted-in-theft-of-11-5-million-in-church-money

Former church chairman indicted in theft of $11.5 million in church money
The former chairman of the board for the Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist, Los Angeles, has been indicted in the theft of more than $11 million in church money.

According to a federal grand jury indictment released Monday, Charles T. Sebesta, 54, used the money on personal expenses including the purchase of a house and a membership to Club 33 — an exclusive Disneyland dining club. He was charged with six counts of wire fraud, five counts of bank fraud and two counts of aggravated identity theft.