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261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 05:01:49 PM
XRB is the most worthy investment altcoin at the moment because I am sure the XRB will soon be listed on Binance and I am keeping a lot of XRB from 6 months ago. I hope the XRB could soon reach $ 50 in 2018 because big investors are very interested in this altcoin

You are dreaming.  Here we have a thread where gmaxwell and other inveterate cryptocurrency developers point out that XRB in inherently insecure.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264  These problems cannot be ignored and no serious exchange can list a coin like this (suicide).

You better let Kucoin and Binance know your findings since they are about to list XRB. Hopefully your garbage dumpster still has internet access.

These are not serious exchanges.
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SEM] Semux - Official Thread - 🚀 BTC Airdrop Now 🚀 on: January 01, 2018, 05:00:40 PM
Really looking forward to 10,000 txs / block tests!
263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Stone - DAG Data-Structured Private Cryptocurrency on: January 01, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
I respectfully disagree with any snapshot or another oligarchal distribution. Why fatten the Whales?  We have a rare opportunity  to be an everlasting currency for the World. Let’s make it as accessible to the working class as it is to the wealthy. If we don’t, Stone will just be another nichecoin. If we don’t do it, someone else wil. Only a matter of time. A vast amount of a currency’s utility resides in the trust people have in it. Let’s build that trust by distributing it to more people from all around the planet.

Yeah, absurd thing to make riches richer.


You are somewhat correct in saying that a) this method makes the rich richer, which should not be performed in this manner and b) It should be accessible to the working class, those were my vision and my two values from the start. The airdrop was just an idea brought forward to me by a community member, which i relayed onto the community without deep thought. I'm still pondering ideas for equal & fair distribution, the community is welcome to assist, if anyone has any idea's, please do not be reluctant, deliver them! for myself and the community to assess  Smiley



felixando


There is no silver bullet.

Main thing is to filtering out puppet accounts and what are essentially sybil attacks on distribution mechanism.  Unfortunate side-effect of that is that "small guys" with no reputation get filtered out.  So probably having multiple channels of distribution would help mitigate this.  For example, part distribution based on forum level or activity number and part based on Twitter or facebook account.  Part via captcha or IP address.  As long as each mechanism tries to kills puppets and you offer lots of mechanisms, over a reasonable period of time, then you will get a good distribution.  A good example would be how Semux has done it.
264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Pusher Coin | POW | POS | Masternodes on: January 01, 2018, 03:49:20 PM
Is there an airdrop?  How to get some coin?  When is launch?
265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] QRL - Announcing the Quantum Resistant Ledger on: January 01, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Where to get this coin?
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: January 01, 2018, 03:30:35 PM


I guess up to 5 $ because the ROI for Masternode is very huge.

If in January Wagerr shows that its gaming platform is at a good level, it is very possible that its capitalization will increase to the $ 450 million area.

Remember that wager tokens will burn little by little in bets, which in the long term will give astronomical prices.

For example, imagine a market cap of $ 450 million that tokens are reduced during 2018/2019 to 100 million ... we will have an approximate price of $ 4.5 for each token.

I'm being conservative, there are projects that are useless and capitalize 10 times what now costs wagerr.

If the developers and the commercial team work well, the very possibility of owning a masternode becomes having a power ring.

I've been here since minute 0, and now is not the time to give away the coins, hodl it & be fun.


I think most people are also forgetting that once all the masternodes are secure that will remove 50 million wager from circulation. 25k wagerr to secure a masternode x 2000 master nodes available = 50,000,000

183 million current supply- 50 million = 133 million circulating supply. So these masternodes will remove over 1/4 of the total supply thus increasing the value of each wagerr. I can easily see this coin going to $3-$5 once jan 15 rolls around. If a major exchange is also announced at this time along with the announcement of the 50mil wagerr being removed from total circulating supply could cause a huge fomo and possibly an even higher target.

Wagerr is a genius design.  Something that's cryptoscape has been waiting a long time for.  It will disrupt betting in the perfect storm fashion.
267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BITLATTICE] A Revolutionary Step - Bitlattice.org on: January 01, 2018, 03:28:09 PM
Hi.  Your project sounds interesting.  How does it compare to RaiBlocks?  Are you able to overcome the security issues and lack of decentralization found there?
268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 03:15:13 PM
XRB is the most worthy investment altcoin at the moment because I am sure the XRB will soon be listed on Binance and I am keeping a lot of XRB from 6 months ago. I hope the XRB could soon reach $ 50 in 2018 because big investors are very interested in this altcoin

You are dreaming.  Here we have a thread where gmaxwell and other inveterate cryptocurrency developers point out that XRB in inherently insecure.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264  These problems cannot be ignored and no serious exchange can list a coin like this (suicide).
269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 03:12:01 PM

I'd hate to say but the problems listed are real. There is a fundamental flaw in the design, and it was actually pointed out 2 years ago and completely ignored by the dev. Of course with millions at stake for them it's in their best interest to ignore it. Hell, some kill for less money. Do your due diligence people and don't follow fanboys blindly. As far as I'm concerned right now I pretty certain there is 0% chance XRB will replace BTC. You may speculate and you make still make fortunes on the price, but don't fool yourself of the end result. This is not something that can be just fixed. Sorry.

You literally posted this exact same thing just a few pages back (might have been one of your sock puppet accounts). The "flaws" have been addressed numerous times by the dev - nothing but FUD.

To summarize:

The dev was a software engineer at Qualcom, you are a piece of Bitcointalk trash.

To think that some salty teenage third worlders have found some fatal "flaw" that the Raiblocks dev missed is beyond laughable.

Anyway, as you can see by the price your pathetic FUD attempts are rightfully being ignored by the community.




The fact that you are calling me trash only discredits you. You don't know me. And no offense, some of us are software developers too. I am. So forgive me when I say that I don't really give a **** where the dev works as it says absolutely nothing about him. Qualcom's hiring standards aren't exactly NASA-like, and even if they were everybody is entitled to making mistakes.  He's was pointed out  two years ago but somehow he beat around the bush with BS explanations, not admitting he made a mistake. In the end everybody gave up as there was no way to reason with him. You can read the thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264

It's not FUD from people that are jealous. There was nothing to be jealous about in 2015 when this was first pointed out.



+1  Know thy crypto
270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sirius A New Smart Chain Freely Distributed on: January 01, 2018, 03:09:47 PM
It's a new year!  Are we rich yet?
271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: One week until GLOBCOIN pre-ico! on: January 01, 2018, 03:09:05 PM
Should buy Semux instead.
272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Stone - DAG Data-Structured Private Cryptocurrency on: January 01, 2018, 03:06:31 PM
I respectfully disagree with any snapshot or another oligarchal distribution. Why fatten the Whales?  We have a rare opportunity  to be an everlasting currency for the World. Let’s make it as accessible to the working class as it is to the wealthy. If we don’t, Stone will just be another nichecoin. If we don’t do it, someone else wil. Only a matter of time.

No such thing as everlasting especially in crypto.  Tech changes very very fast.
273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Stone - DAG Data-Structured Private Cryptocurrency on: January 01, 2018, 03:05:43 PM

1 - Since the coins are all created in a genesis block, they were created over X years for X time by X quantity, and that these coins were a form of incentive to #Stone full nodes causing the network to be robust and fast, maybe my idea needs to be reformulated but it is an example.

2 - In raibloks it is necessary a little proof of work for those who will receive the coins, only the pow of those who send is already sufficient to avoid spam and even if they try to make spam it will be useless, I think it is possible to eliminate this pow of receipt , this would increase the currency's scalability by 2x, maybe my idea needs to be reformulated but it's an example ...

3 - The reduction of ragged information in each block and an efficient pruning system, assuming that the blocks function as a merkle tree saving only the balances of each account, maybe my idea needs to be reformulated but it is an example ...

Please contact me by email: exterminadordescam@protonmail.com


These are interesting ideas.  I do not understand what you mean by 1.  2. seems good, but is that really safe? 3. good idea, but how to be safe.  RaiBlocks is unsafe as far as I know, so Stone should do some work to make it secure.  The dev seems sensible and open to good ideas and sets a reasonable pace and expectation, so hopefully he will take these ideas on board.
274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] New BOOKCOIN RELEASE on: January 01, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Want know how make  the crypto currency .

Just type random characters into this forum, wait a few days and then you will have a new blockchain.
275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 10:17:49 AM
Why RaiBlocks is not secure.

In this article I will try to explain why RaiBlocks is not secure and why its technology is any better neither comparable than the Bitcoin technology.

1. Decentralized payments
Decentralized payment networks are, in opposite of centralized payment network like banks, a way to secure your money without having the risk that a central authority could steal your money or manipulate the money in the market. Decentralized payment networks use asymmetric cryptography to ensure that you are the only one who can spend your money.
When you create a cryptocurrency wallet you are given a public key and a private key. The public key allows other people to send you money, while the private key allows you to spend them.  

But how other users know how many money do you have?
To accomplish this, every user of a decentralized payment network must download the entire transaction database which is replicated on the entire network. When you send a payment over the network, it is received by all the users connected on the network allowing them to know your updated wallet balance and allowing them to discard that payment if you don’t own enough funds.

2. Double Spending
The main problem that afflicts decentralized payment networks is double spending: the ability of an user to spend his money multiple times. In the real world, when you pay someone you give him the real cash. In a centralized payment network, like VISA, the central database is updated every time you make a payment, and they will not allow you to spend more money than your balance.
In a decentralized payment network what happens if you send the same amount of money on two users of the network in the same time? Since their database takes time to update for a small amount of time they both will receive the payment and accept it. In a later moment, when the network tells them that you double spent your money, they will cancel the payment, this is possible because every payment is broadcasted to the entire network, not only the receiver.
Without any other security layer, if a malicious user double spends his money and succeeds to block a payment receiver to know that he sent the same money to someone else (or even better, to another wallet of his own), the payment receiver will accept the payment and ship the good. This is so bad, since even a network connection problem could temporarily lead a payment receiver to undetect double spendings.

3. The Bitcoin Solution
To solve this problem, Bitcoin relays on the fact that after you receive a payment you need to wait a confirmation block, the confirmation block tells you that the payment you have received has been accepted by the entire network and you are allowed to spend it. To create a confirmation block, the miners create a list of all the pending unconfirmed transactions and solve a very difficult mathematical puzzle. The miner who solves the puzzle first, sends the block he found with all the list of confirmed transaction and the solved puzzle to the network, the users of the network will check if the puzzle solution is valid and then reward him with some free coins plus the sum of all the payment fees of each transaction in the block. The miners must create a valid list of payments to be accepted by the network, so double spend attempts are just discarded.

In Bitcoin an attacker,  to make a succesful double spending, should not just stop you from receiving a double spend attempt message, but he should also solve the puzzle to create a confirmation block in a reasonable time frame. Currently solving that puzzle with a single computer would take years; at writing time to solve that puzzle a network of thousands dedicated hardware is used, an attacker would require a billionaire investment to replicate that network. Moreover, it would not only need to create one confirmation block but six of them (6 confirmation blocks are required in the Bitcoin network to trust a payment).

Critics of Bitcoin say that all the computation power used to make the Bitcoin network secure is just a waste of energy because there are other reliable and better technologies. Is that true?

4. What is RaiBlocks?
RaiBlocks is a crypto currency that advertises itself as a fast, fee-less and secure currency, unlikely Bitcoin which is currently slow and high-fee (usually requires 1 hour to a full payment confirmation).
But the key point is that Bitcoin has been made that way to guarantee his users a certain amount of security to prevent double spendings. 
 
RaiBlocks completely ignores the Bitcoin technology and relies on a special version of the Proof Of Stake concept.
When you receive a payment in the RaiBlocks network you have to wait a certain amount of time to be sure that a double spending has not been attempted (and remember the first problem, if an attacker stops you from receiving the double spend you would never know!)
When a double spent is detected, the RaiBlocks network starts a vote. Every peer connected to the network vote to accept the payment A or payment B; every user vote is weighted with the amount of his balance. Usually each peer votes for the first transaction he receives. The transaction which the sum of votes reaches the 51% of online amount of currency wins. The winning transaction is accepted by the network and the other one is discarded. (Reference https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation)

The payment receiver, if his network has not been compromised, will then know if he can trust the payment or not, and will ship the good accordingly. This system leads to an unsolvable problem.

5. The Man in the Middle attack.

If an attacker succeeds to put himself between a merchant and the RaiBlocks network he can just filter the double spending payment packets, and the merchant will never know that he is receiving a double spending. The Raiblocks network will discard that payment while the merchant will accept it.



6. Solutions proposed by the RaiBlocks team

a) The merchant should ask a vote for each payment he receives and wait for the confirmation. 
The problem is that the attacker could manipulate the vote by telling the merchant that only his peers are connected to the network thus he will win the vote by filtering only his votes. Plus, asking a vote for each payment would cause a huge increment of bandwidth usage that many peers could not handle.

b) The merchant should have a remote node verifying the payment.
The attacker could just attack that network too.

c) The merchant should ask the RaiBlocks.net website if the payment has been accepted.
The attacker can hack the RaiBlocks.net website. Also if you have to rely on a website you can no longer consider RaiBlocks a decentralized network.

Other solutions

1) A payment to be accepted should require a vote with a minimum weight quorum.
It's difficult to establish a correct quorum, and if that quorum is offline no payments will be processed.

2) A payment need to be accepted by some trusted representatives.
This will stop the network on being decentralized. Also, if those representatives are offline the payments are not processed.

7. Why Bitcoin is not vulnerable to this type of attack
Simply because an attacker, to be trusted by a merchant, would require to solve a very difficult puzzle for six times. An attacker cannot alter the difficulty of that puzzle.

8. Other observations

a) RaiBlocks is just Bitcoins without the Bitcoin securing algorithm. The creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, describes the double spending problem in the original Bitcoin paper: https://Bitcoin.org/Bitcoin.pdf. The developer of RaiBlocks just thinks to solve the problem by ignoring the problem.

b) The official representatives of the RaiBlocks network own more than 52% of total voting weight, allowing the developer to manipulate every vote on his will.
Source: https://dev.RaiBlocks.net/page/representatives.php


9. References
https://RaiBlocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf
https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation

Seriously, back in the day sad centralized systems like this could never happen, but these days with all the noobs and blind speculation it's amazing something like XRB can be taken seriously.  Just waiting for implosion and a bunch of crying babies.
276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WhiteMoney WhitePaper | Say hello to WhiteMoney - The next Gen Coinage on: January 01, 2018, 10:01:11 AM
Most trusted, secure and easy to use sound like reasonable goals to me.  Please count me in on your airdrop.
277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 01:50:09 AM
Why RaiBlocks is not secure.

In this article I will try to explain why RaiBlocks is not secure and why its technology is any better neither comparable than the Bitcoin technology.

1. Decentralized payments
Decentralized payment networks are, in opposite of centralized payment network like banks, a way to secure your money without having the risk that a central authority could steal your money or manipulate the money in the market. Decentralized payment networks use asymmetric cryptography to ensure that you are the only one who can spend your money.
When you create a cryptocurrency wallet you are given a public key and a private key. The public key allows other people to send you money, while the private key allows you to spend them.  

But how other users know how many money do you have?
To accomplish this, every user of a decentralized payment network must download the entire transaction database which is replicated on the entire network. When you send a payment over the network, it is received by all the users connected on the network allowing them to know your updated wallet balance and allowing them to discard that payment if you don’t own enough funds.

2. Double Spending
The main problem that afflicts decentralized payment networks is double spending: the ability of an user to spend his money multiple times. In the real world, when you pay someone you give him the real cash. In a centralized payment network, like VISA, the central database is updated every time you make a payment, and they will not allow you to spend more money than your balance.
In a decentralized payment network what happens if you send the same amount of money on two users of the network in the same time? Since their database takes time to update for a small amount of time they both will receive the payment and accept it. In a later moment, when the network tells them that you double spent your money, they will cancel the payment, this is possible because every payment is broadcasted to the entire network, not only the receiver.
Without any other security layer, if a malicious user double spends his money and succeeds to block a payment receiver to know that he sent the same money to someone else (or even better, to another wallet of his own), the payment receiver will accept the payment and ship the good. This is so bad, since even a network connection problem could temporarily lead a payment receiver to undetect double spendings.

3. The Bitcoin Solution
To solve this problem, Bitcoin relays on the fact that after you receive a payment you need to wait a confirmation block, the confirmation block tells you that the payment you have received has been accepted by the entire network and you are allowed to spend it. To create a confirmation block, the miners create a list of all the pending unconfirmed transactions and solve a very difficult mathematical puzzle. The miner who solves the puzzle first, sends the block he found with all the list of confirmed transaction and the solved puzzle to the network, the users of the network will check if the puzzle solution is valid and then reward him with some free coins plus the sum of all the payment fees of each transaction in the block. The miners must create a valid list of payments to be accepted by the network, so double spend attempts are just discarded.

In Bitcoin an attacker,  to make a succesful double spending, should not just stop you from receiving a double spend attempt message, but he should also solve the puzzle to create a confirmation block in a reasonable time frame. Currently solving that puzzle with a single computer would take years; at writing time to solve that puzzle a network of thousands dedicated hardware is used, an attacker would require a billionaire investment to replicate that network. Moreover, it would not only need to create one confirmation block but six of them (6 confirmation blocks are required in the Bitcoin network to trust a payment).

Critics of Bitcoin say that all the computation power used to make the Bitcoin network secure is just a waste of energy because there are other reliable and better technologies. Is that true?

4. What is RaiBlocks?
RaiBlocks is a crypto currency that advertises itself as a fast, fee-less and secure currency, unlikely Bitcoin which is currently slow and high-fee (usually requires 1 hour to a full payment confirmation).
But the key point is that Bitcoin has been made that way to guarantee his users a certain amount of security to prevent double spendings. 
 
RaiBlocks completely ignores the Bitcoin technology and relies on a special version of the Proof Of Stake concept.
When you receive a payment in the RaiBlocks network you have to wait a certain amount of time to be sure that a double spending has not been attempted (and remember the first problem, if an attacker stops you from receiving the double spend you would never know!)
When a double spent is detected, the RaiBlocks network starts a vote. Every peer connected to the network vote to accept the payment A or payment B; every user vote is weighted with the amount of his balance. Usually each peer votes for the first transaction he receives. The transaction which the sum of votes reaches the 51% of online amount of currency wins. The winning transaction is accepted by the network and the other one is discarded. (Reference https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation)

The payment receiver, if his network has not been compromised, will then know if he can trust the payment or not, and will ship the good accordingly. This system leads to an unsolvable problem.

5. The Man in the Middle attack.

If an attacker succeeds to put himself between a merchant and the RaiBlocks network he can just filter the double spending payment packets, and the merchant will never know that he is receiving a double spending. The Raiblocks network will discard that payment while the merchant will accept it.



6. Solutions proposed by the RaiBlocks team

a) The merchant should ask a vote for each payment he receives and wait for the confirmation. 
The problem is that the attacker could manipulate the vote by telling the merchant that only his peers are connected to the network thus he will win the vote by filtering only his votes. Plus, asking a vote for each payment would cause a huge increment of bandwidth usage that many peers could not handle.

b) The merchant should have a remote node verifying the payment.
The attacker could just attack that network too.

c) The merchant should ask the RaiBlocks.net website if the payment has been accepted.
The attacker can hack the RaiBlocks.net website. Also if you have to rely on a website you can no longer consider RaiBlocks a decentralized network.

Other solutions

1) A payment to be accepted should require a vote with a minimum weight quorum.
It's difficult to establish a correct quorum, and if that quorum is offline no payments will be processed.

2) A payment need to be accepted by some trusted representatives.
This will stop the network on being decentralized. Also, if those representatives are offline the payments are not processed.

7. Why Bitcoin is not vulnerable to this type of attack
Simply because an attacker, to be trusted by a merchant, would require to solve a very difficult puzzle for six times. An attacker cannot alter the difficulty of that puzzle.

8. Other observations

a) RaiBlocks is just Bitcoins without the Bitcoin securing algorithm. The creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, describes the double spending problem in the original Bitcoin paper: https://Bitcoin.org/Bitcoin.pdf. The developer of RaiBlocks just thinks to solve the problem by ignoring the problem.

b) The official representatives of the RaiBlocks network own more than 52% of total voting weight, allowing the developer to manipulate every vote on his will.
Source: https://dev.RaiBlocks.net/page/representatives.php


9. References
https://RaiBlocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf
https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation

It is about time someone posted this.  Watch now as it tumbles.
278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN: GitalCoin An Advanced Peer-to-Peer Electronic Monetary System ICO on: January 01, 2018, 01:10:40 AM
Tumbleweed
279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EKH][ICO] eKash: email account address + advertising reward + portal page on: January 01, 2018, 01:10:06 AM
Sounds pretty dumb.
280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PYT] Python - Waves based reliable cryptocurrency on: December 31, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
Is this a token or a currency?
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