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Why is shipping $200 from China on a Zeus Thunder X6 on your site when here it says you ship from California?
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hi everyone i want any of above card please post with your prices
I have a 6990 with an arctic accelero cooler. 0.5 BTC shipped to the US. PM if you're interested |
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Whilst I admire all the effort and dedication going into the coin and the getmarked project (so much that I actually donated to the project), can someone please explain to me why? At the moment, one whole Bitmark is worth less than 6 cents, a Mark is worth 1/1000th of that, less than I spent on electrons to type this post.
Is the time being well spent? I can understand the challenge of creating getmarked from an idealistic point of view but if getting marked has no value, it will not be adopted. Either the value of a Mark has to be increased compared to a Bitmark or the value of a Bitmark has to increase or preferably both to make the project feasible. Has anyone done a cost to benefit comparison? Would the time at the moment be better spent promoting the coin? After all, getmarked was never part of the original plan, it is an afterthought. A good one, I'll admit, but an afterthought.
Current plan: Do something really clever, hope people like it and the coin becomes accepted and valuable.
My plan: Create a stable and workable coin (as per the original idea) and then add something to make it even more appealing.
Isn't the coin stable already? It works to store value and send transactions. What more should the currency do? I think you are confusing stability of the coin with stability of the price. We have already reached the point of adding more to make the coin more appealing. The coin functions like it should, there is nothing to stabilize. Getmarked is the first major project being taken on to promote usage of Bitmark. If you have another idea then promote it here. |
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I have for a sale a number of computer parts and GPU mining gear. All parts are in good condition and less than 3 months old unless otherwise noted. Prices include shipping to the domestic US. If you're international, pm me and we can work something out. I prefer not to escrow as I've done a few deals here on the forum without it. If you insist on escrow, Its the buyer's responsibility to find a suitable escrow agent and pay all fees. For sale: - 2 sets: Motherboard + processor + Aluminum, open air, stackable frame (GPU Rig Starter Kit  ) 0.15 BTC per set Motherboards are AsRock H81 Pro BTC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157471 Processors are Intel G1820 Celeron Processors http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974 GPU frames are high quality, lightweight aluminum. They are pre-drilled for 5 GPUs, but you can easily fit 6 on a frame. They are stackable. http://imgur.com/a/22FAw#0- 10x Powered Risers. USB style, with long cables. (7 Sata and 3 Molex) 0.01 BTC each or 0.05 BTC for the lot http://imgur.com/a/zyFl6#0- RAIDMAX RX-1200AE 1200 Watt Gold Rated Power Supply (NEW, Unopened) 0.20 BTC http://imgur.com/a/tJkZ7#0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152045- Thermaltake ToughPower Grand 1050 Watt Gold rated Power Supply (Very Nice PSU...excellent choice for a mining rig) 0.25 BTC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153144 http://imgur.com/a/PWIUr#0- AMD 6990 Graphics Card with Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo Cooler (Working, much cooler/quieter than stock) 0.40 BTC http://imgur.com/a/qSW3b#0- Gigabyte GA-P67-UD3-B3 Motherboard. Socket LGA 1155, USB 3.0, SATA 6 Gb/s. (About a year old) 0.075 BTC http://imgur.com/a/k6c9h#0 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3765#ov- Intel Celeron G540 Dual Core processor (Socket LGA 1155. Works with LGA 1155 motherboard above) 0.075 BTC Sold http://imgur.com/o0yX36M http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116408- OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Gold Rated Power Supply (About a year old. Dust free and still works great) 0.10 BTC http://imgur.com/a/vRYXG#0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018- 8 GB GSkill Ripjaw Memory (4x 2 GB sticks) PC3-12800, DDR3 1600 Dual Channel (About a year old. Exact model: F3-12800cl8d-4gbxm) 0.020 BTC per stick Sold http://imgur.com/a/8AC74#0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443A note on the 6990 Graphics Card. Somehow the fan connector on the board broke, so the fans would not spin. Instead of attempting to solder the board, I went out and bought an adapter/extension, which you see is the black cord in the picture. This allows the fans to plug into any 3 pin fan connector on your motherboard. They spin just fine and cool the card just as well. You can control the fan speed through your motherboard bios. However running them at 100% all the time is a lot quieter than you think (these arctic accelero fans are great). Running scrypt you can get 500 kh/s per core or 1 mh/s overall for the card. All prices are pegged in BTC but I will accept other coins (LTC, DRK, etc). Just send me a pm and we can discuss a price for that coin. Prices are pretty firm but make me an offer. I will consider a reduced single price if you are buying multiple items. |
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I don't know about Singapore or Hong Kong. As Bitcoin grows it will increasingly pose a threat to fiat. I would expect the governments there to be less accommodating in the future.
Tokyo is interesting because they thrive in the technology sector. Bitcoin will bring a lot of new, lucrative business to the city.
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Been busy with work the last couple of days, and I return to see Bitmark doing quite well  IPM here I come... |
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What if the bitmark foundation ran its own pool? Mining fees go straight into the foundation fund to support the pool and the project as a whole.
the best idea I have heard all day. +10
Our proposal for an Investor Public Mining (IPM) Pool. Currently in development, the model can be applied to any currency. I would be very happy to hear any feedback you have about this. Also, to bring this back to exchanges...how will the IPM determine what 95% of your bitcoin donation is in Bitmark? Without an exchange to set the price there is no simple answer. Unless the answer is to take 95% of your donation, rent a specific amount of hash power based on the amount donated, and pay out whatever the rental mines during the lease. In this scenario the 95% guarantee is on how much the IPM invests on your behalf, not a guarantee on how much you get back. |
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What if the bitmark foundation ran its own pool? Mining fees go straight into the foundation fund to support the pool and the project as a whole.
the best idea I have heard all day. +10
Keep up guys... Our proposal for an Investor Public Mining (IPM) Pool. Currently in development, the model can be applied to any currency. I would be very happy to hear any feedback you have about this. I think its a good idea, but my question is how will the IPM guarantee a hash rate close to 35%? What if a few months into the launch of the IPM somebody recognizes the value of bitmark and throws a few th/s at the network? Also how will payouts be handled? if I send the IPM 1 BTC for example, I can expect 95% of the investment back in the form of BTM correct? Is that paid out immediately or over time like the actual mining process? I can see benefits for both methods. Instant payouts will significantly strengthen the IPM's hash rate because people will get an instant return on their BTM, like an exchange. This will cause more people to donate to the IPM rather than mine themselves. Payouts over time are safer because they prevent a "bank run" type situation where there is not enough BTM in the fund to instantly pay out for all the donations. In this case the pool mines and pays out to the investors as coins are minted. |
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The problem I see with waiting, is what happens if an exchange begins trading bitmark and then turns out to be a bad player?
This is also my concern, we should recognise that exchanges and mining pools will often be the first point of contact people have with Bitmark, in a way they are part of our public face. If they are incompetent or a bad player it will reflect badly on the efforts of all of us, the first place people will come to complain is here. It is responsible for us to consider our future users best interests, whilst remaining as neutral as possible. Due Diligence. We should also remember that mining pools and exchanges are also Bitmark adopters, to be in communication with them and consider their needs will help. We may need to change some code, or ensure that checkpoints are created regularly, or other steps. I was considering reaching out to a pool operator as well. Right now most of the network is mining on one pool, which is dangerous. But I had another thought instead. What if the bitmark foundation ran its own pool? Mining fees go straight into the foundation fund to support the pool and the project as a whole. I'm not a pool operator and honestly I don't even know what it would take to set one up, but maybe there is a member already here who knows how to do this? |
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I would support BTM being on an exchange only in the following manner...(an exchange come to us here in this community, get to know us a community, become so moved by the support and establish base of the original ideas of this project that the exchange then says I see great potential in this community and the support there to: I will list this currency on my exchange.
If this happens or a situation very close to this, then the merits of the community would be a represented in the perceived value of our currency and the exchange would see that and act accordingly.
What if a user base of adopters vote with such conviction that an exchange decides to add bitmark? I feel the ideal is a mix of both, the exchange comes to the community and is moved to add it, while adopters also back up the decision with votes of confidence. Should we be inviting the input of reasonable exchange owners, or should we wait until the come across bitmark? Notice I say input here to discuss any merits of bitmark, not to discuss adding it to an exchange. I have reached out to the Poloniex owner about joining us here on this thread. Not about getting the coin on the exchange but about participating in these discussions on the coin. I'm starting to see there is a strong divide between those who want it on an exchange and those who don't. I think input from an actual exchange operator could be useful, not just now, but in development of the coin down the road. The problem I see with waiting, is what happens if an exchange begins trading bitmark and then turns out to be a bad player? Coinmarket.io was notorious for accepting new coins just so they could drum up new registrations and take advantage of more people. Those are the sort of places we need to avoid. |
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The pool probably mined a forked coin and they never confirmed. Don't expect payout from those shares |
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The project is bigger than whether it gets listed on exchange x or exchange y. If it was selling for 1 satoshi or a million satoshi it still wouldn't change anything about the project. This is just a distraction from what we all really want to see: progress on Bitmark.
This I would agree with. I think people are getting it mixed up that I care about the price of bitmark becuase I want it on an exchange. My point has always been that bitmark benefits from an exchange simply based on the exposure that creates. Nobody knows about bitmark right now, but an exchange could change that. The price does not matter. We, the community, will set the price based on what the perceived value of the coin is. Like i said, an exchange is just free publicity. |
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How do you guys expect new people to get involved with bitmark if they can't even get coins? Not everybody is a miner. I had to rent my hash power because I don't have scrypt hardware and I know I'm not the only one. So how do people like me who are interested in bitmark acquire coin without an exchange?
This is why exchanges are important, The actual price is irrelevant. People need a place to get Bitmark, and yes that means they need a place to sell it too.
Comparing us to bitcoin in the early stages is like apple to oranges. Bitcoin wasn't listed on any exchange because they didn't exist yet! There are dozens of them now.
the same way people did in the beginning with bitcoin, did you not read my post. here is the link. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660544.msg7874858#msg7874858I read it and addressed it clearly. We are not Bitcoin. Comparing us to bitcoin in its infancy is naive. Bitcoin was a revolution and the first real solution for a decentralized p2p system. People were jumping to be a part of it. Not the case here. Bitmark is one of many coins in an already established crypto field. Exposure is important to help seperate us from other alt coins. Exposure also brings more people in who have something to contribute. Otherwise people ignore Bitmark and it falls by the wayside. Bitmark will end up on an exchange one way or another. The sooner it happens the easier people can get involved. Valid points but a) what is the average time from any coin launch to an exchange? b) during the period in a) above, how do people normally 'get involved'? c) early adoption is always by mining? d) the power costs together with the loss of exchangeable coin mining = the current perceived 'value' of BTM (short or long term) to miners e) buying hashing power to mine is surely no different to buying a coin on an exchange - the 'price' of the mined coins being set by cost of mining against the coin rewards? Of course, e) is different but in the period between launch and first exchange listing, is this not the only way? Ultimately, no one controls the 'community' - they will either vote at exchanges for the coin to be added or they won't... I would say average time to an exchange does not matter too much, as long as it happens. Many coins are listed at launch. Some at a later date. The way people get involved with bitmark before an exchange is the same way they get involved after an exchange. They see the coin and they like or they don't. The exchange just makes the coin more visible and simplifies the process of acquiring them. Mining is all well and good but its inferior to straight up buying coins on an exchange. No running costs, down time, or hardware price drops. If i was going to mine I would rather contribute to the IPM instead of buying scrypt hardware. This has turned into a situation where everybody thinks I'm pushing hard for an exchange. Its not really that important as of today, day 4 of Bitmark. But if we expect the community to grow it has to happen eventually. I think listing the coin on an exchange is free publicity, something that bitmark could use. |
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How do you guys expect new people to get involved with bitmark if they can't even get coins? Not everybody is a miner. I had to rent my hash power because I don't have scrypt hardware and I know I'm not the only one. So how do people like me who are interested in bitmark acquire coin without an exchange?
This is why exchanges are important, The actual price is irrelevant. People need a place to get Bitmark, and yes that means they need a place to sell it too.
Comparing us to bitcoin in the early stages is like apple to oranges. Bitcoin wasn't listed on any exchange because they didn't exist yet! There are dozens of them now.
the same way people did in the beginning with bitcoin, did you not read my post. here is the link. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660544.msg7874858#msg7874858I read it and addressed it clearly. We are not Bitcoin. Comparing us to bitcoin in its infancy is naive. Bitcoin was a revolution and the first real solution for a decentralized p2p system. People were jumping to be a part of it. Not the case here. Bitmark is one of many coins in an already established crypto field. Exposure is important to help seperate us from other alt coins. Exposure also brings more people in who have something to contribute. Otherwise people ignore Bitmark and it falls by the wayside. Bitmark will end up on an exchange one way or another. The sooner it happens the easier people can get involved. |
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How do you guys expect new people to get involved with bitmark if they can't even get coins? Not everybody is a miner. I had to rent my hash power because I don't have scrypt hardware and I know I'm not the only one. So how do people like me who are interested in bitmark acquire coin without an exchange?
This is why exchanges are important, The actual price is irrelevant. People need a place to get Bitmark, and yes that means they need a place to sell it too.
Comparing us to bitcoin in the early stages is like apple to oranges. Bitcoin wasn't listed on any exchange because they didn't exist yet! There are dozens of them now.
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shut down your wallets and re open them
I did that already like 256 times. You are not the only with this problem, and the devs have said nothing about it. Its clearly a problem with the wallet syncing. If you still can't get it working I would suggest trying to do a fresh install of Sync on another machine and just copy your wallet over. At that point you can at least move your coins into an exchange or someplace where they will be accessible to you. |
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I think too much emphasis has been put on linking the price of Bitmark to it being listed on an exchange. The price really doesn't matter this early. It will reflect how people value the coin. So lets make Bitmark have true value and the price on any exchange will reflect that.
The point i was making earlier about exchanges, is that they are a necessary component of a healthy crypto community. People need the ability to move in and out of bitmark with ease. Also, exchanges provide a lot of exposure for a coin. Bitmark is still very young and most people don't have a clue what it is. Seeing it on an exchange they trade at on a regular basis will pique the interest of a lot of people.
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The project has progressed well since the OP was created, all I have done is update it since then. It would be reasonable to rewrite some sections so that they are more applicable to the current status.
Our OP must be crafted in a way that inspires people like you who all ready here, not marketed to everybody with hype and speculation.
Between the lines of these posts I see a message coming through: many want to support the project and mine to keep some bitmarks, but often people have running costs and unless they are supported in their running costs they cannot support bitmark.
Something could be crafted so those with money could support those with hashing power, and the proceeds split between them. Maybe this feels centralized and is not so open to the wider community, or maybe it is fair.
Or perhaps exchanges of some kind are a necessary part of the organic growth.
A fair balance must be struck while we earn our value.
Is this the area which we need to address first as a community? I feel it is becoming important.
I think many supporters want instant gratification, especially the miners. Its difficult to mine something where you have no idea what its value is, especially when there are costs. Exchanges give people the satisfaction that mining is "profitable" or not and they can make the decision to mine or support the community in other ways. With so many alt coins out there and new ones released every day its hard to keep people's attention. Seeing Bitmark on an exchange or other high trafficked place can keep people interested. Setting up an exchange could have negative consequences as miners could choose to dump coins, but ultimately I think it creates significant exposure for the community. We don't need fancy graphics to get people here, we need accessibility and exposure. |
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Thank you all for now, i am in process of buying 6x 290X rig from user BTC_Fundamentals.
Other part of the sum i will use to buy BTC directly.
I have two aluminum mining frames (stackable) with ASRock H81 Pro BTC motherboards + processors + powered risers + power supply. I can even provide you with a flash drive that has BAMT pre-installed for mining. Everything you need to make a GPU rig (or two), except the GPUs themselves  PM if you're interested and I'll provide some pics. |
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