In the fake conversion topic I have just mentioned something and I would like to ask for your thoughts in connection with this.
It would be a kind of "heath index" for each topic.
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I like the idea, except that posts which have been plagiarized are often left as-is (which is good, as it makes finding plagiarism easier) so a thread that is filled with nothing but plagiarized posts - like the Neogame.io and Neluns ANN threads - would appear to be high quality unless the number of users banned for plagiarizing within them was taken into account. But I obviously agree with you that something needs to be done to better evaluate when entire threads should be locked or even trashed. I've literally reported 300+ posts in those two threads over the last month or so, all for plagiarism. At some point you'd think the global mods would take the lazy/smart option and trash the thread and ban the OP, rather than individually ban accounts that are clearly stolen and being used just to artificially bump threads. |
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I don't think that moderators will be willing to take action and lock/trash announcement threads because of: - bots and shills
- % of deleted posts
- banned accounts
- pyramid quotes and fake conversations
As you said, it could be used as a tactic to damage/undermine legitimate projects and because we can't prove that these accounts have any direct connection with the project itself, although they bump threads with spam and copypasta, mods can't do anything other than delete posts and ban individual accounts reported for plagiarism...this is at least what I noticed so far. Ah, but both the Neogame.io and Neluns threads are self-moderated... Like I (successfully) argued for the locking of the Roomdao ANN thread, if there is that much spamming/plagiarism going on - where conversations are literally recycled from just a few days ago - then the OP can and should be held responsible. |
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Welp, I just reported 3 posts each of the latest pair of plagiarizing bots, but, yes, the far better solution at this point - and the one that would truly punish the projects - would be to ban the OPs and lock the ANN threads.
I imagine the global mods are reluctant to lock a thread, especially if only recommended by a single full member (ie - me), but if more of you report the OP for likely using a paid bumping service and cite the vast number of posts being reported for plagiarism (as in, pretty much all of them!?) there's a better chance the thread gets locked/trashed and the OP banned (and for your reporting convenience I provided direct links to the OP of each thread in a post above).
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The Neluns thread farce continues; it now averages ~4 views per post, with tag teams of reactivated 2013/4 spammers ready and waiting to replace those which are deleted, with bumping pseudo conversations.
Yeah, but we managed to provoke a real response out of one of the paid bumper accounts! Now, if only mprep would just go ahead and lock both the Neluns and Neogame threads rather than individually nuke what may be a nearly infinite supply of stolen accounts this would go a lot smoother. I mean, I have personally had 100+ accounts posting in those two threads banned for plagiarism over the last month - how much proof do the global mods need that something nefarious is afoot? |
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If that were the case then the individual would just do wash trading on himself everyday at a smaller volume.
Because what he was doing seemed like it was done on purpose to just prop up the volume for the day so it would go to the top of the list for "Most volume" and get more buyers to notice.
I don't understand why Bittrex allows such behaviour and they can easily check the logs and see how he is buying and selling to himself pretty much.
That's because Bittrex makes money on each trade and it isn't (yet) illegal to do these kinds of shenanigans with crypto. Personally, I think the good that comes of this laissez-faire approach outweighs the bad, but my perspective is rarely that of the majority, or persists for very long when it is. |
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Can we get a filter that automatically nukes all of this HeroMiners spam?
Report the post - mining pool ads are prohibited outside of the mining pool subforum. |
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Yeah, it's like talking to the wife - completely ignored  Re: Self mod, that was part of the experiment, OP hasn't been online for a couple of weeks. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if milonite (OP of the Neluns thread) reacts to our posts. The OP of the Neogame.io thread deleted one of my warning posts 3 days after I made it so he/she/it is relatively on the ball, but milonite might be a stolen or sold account - much like the bots being used to bump the thread - as prior to starting the Neluns thread he/she/it mainly wrote low-value comments about less well-known Equihash coins (e.g. - Sumokoin and Komodo). |
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Thanks for the help, but notice that the plagiarizing bump-bots just rolled right over both of us!  You would think they'd be happy to have some new material to work with, but no, they are too busy recycling the same conversations that their (now banned) bot brethren used before them. The only good news is that the bumping service is only deploying 2 or 3 accounts at a time now, and the accounts are "old newbies" - that is, dating from 2015 or earlier (ie - from before this forum was hacked) but with their entire post history zeroed out. Oh, and be on the lookout for your post to get deleted by the OP since it is a self-moderated thread. |
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Ehmagerd... All of the aforementioned threads are still getting bumped because replacements are being brought online within hours of the existing bump-bots getting banned. I then tried reporting the OP of the Neogame.io thread with the recommendation the thread itself get locked/trashed, but that report has remained "unhandled" for 5+ days now. Since the global mods appear reluctant to deal with this in an efficient fashion on my word alone I am asking for at least a few other people to report the OP's of the Neluns and Neogame.io threads for using a paid bumping service (ie - a roundabout way of incentivizing posting) and recommend that the threads be locked. |
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Looks like xmr-stak or xmrig does not get me the same hashrate that I have with claymore xmr. Claymore gives me 4950 per rig and xmrig gets me 3800-3900 with the same overclocking settings on SMOS.
It's odd..
For now I'm sticking with ethermine, not a big earn but hoping the price will go up in a few months..
You might want to give SRBMiner a try. I am getting nearly the same hashrate and just slightly more power consumption than xmr-stak 2.5.1 was doing on CNv7, and way better on both parameters than it did on CNv8. ANN thread is here in the mining section and fairly active. |
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Holy cannolis did I make myself a metric craptonne of work for myself yesterday...
Awesome hashrate but still, that's disappointing power consumption. The fact that you can't get the 570 stable suggests an issue with the rig outside of software. Only other thing to try is a different motherboard/PSU or your 560's are just plain power hogs. From experience the best AMD vendors are MSI and Gigabyte, usually have best asic quality and good undervolt results with them. Sapphire is a mixed bag. The worst are PowerColor and XFX, they always seem to use cheap reference design and struggle with undervolt. I was having the same problem trying to get the RX 570 to work with SRB on the main desktop - crashing the miner soon after logging in to the pool - but that was with 18.5.1 (hence why I changed to 18.6.1 when I moved it to the dedicated mining rig). All of my AMD cards are XFX, and yes, they do struggle with undervolting. Decent hashrates when you get them dialed in, though. I know they aren't the best, but they were what was available when got into mining last November (not the best time, but at least I didn't keep buying GPUs all through January...). Once I get 1.6.9 running on the 4x RX 560 rig I'll try fooling with voltages in ODT to get the power usage down, but I'm trying to keep it all in perspective: the extra 60W per day amounts to around $0.17 in additional energy cost and now the rigs acting as heaters is a good thing, rather than something I was trying to minimize. |
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DERO Mining Pool by HeroMiners....
I guess the user "herominers" finally got banned for spamming the hell out of this forum and it looks like you will be next. Note: Advertising spam is not allowed, this includes mining pools...
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... - Run 18.6.1 for less power consumption or 18.5.1 for higher hashrate (marginal differences both).
- Use MSI AB to "extend official overclock limits." Q: are you using MSI AB or ODT to control the fans? I greatly prefer using AB to set a custom fan curve.
- Bump up PL in AB to +5%
- Use ODT 0.2.5 to set highest P state for core/mem clock/voltage, trying 1180MHz/895mV for core and 2000-2100MHz for mem. Q: What about memory voltage?
- Set intensity manually in SRB try 23 to 24 initially. Q: What about worksize? SRB is setting it to 32 automatically (also, double threads true and K auto set to 1).
And that should bring my power consumption down to around 40W per card with a slight boost to hashrate, correct? Depending on what brand 560's you have, they may not be able to go down to 40W and retain 450 h/s, it all depends on how well they can undervolt. I think it's impossible with the 18.5.1 drivers you must use 18.6.1 or no dice. For me 18.5.1 read 40w on gpu-z if I had tested on the wall I'm sure it would actually be 44-45w. 18.6.1 read 36w on gpu-z and goes no higher than 39.5w on the wall for me. The tiny ~5 H/s gain on 18.5.1 is definitely not worth the higher power draw. If you're desperate for lower undervolt you could try lower core clock than 1180, but at this point every step down is negative for hashrate. I just use ODT at fixed fan speeds, my 6x rx560 2gb rig is in my bedroom so I try to keep it quiet like 1600 rpm, as long as my cards stay 65C or under it's okay. On v7 I got max hashrate with -10% power limit. On v8 I have to increase to +10% for max hashrate. PL doesn't really effect consumption, the core voltage effects it most. On v8, my 560's need 865 mV on mem voltage to be 100% stable, at 860 mV they can crash or lose hashrate after many hours. I had it on 860 mV before because it was stable with older v7, so v8 needed +5 mV. Try 8 worksize first and then 12/16 and see if it improves hashrate, doesn't make sense for a 2gb card to go any higher than 16. Holy cannolis did I make myself a metric craptonne of work for myself yesterday. In directly violation of the scientific method - change one variable at a time - I DDU'ed 18.5.1 and installed 18.6.1, then moved the RX 570 from my main desktop over to my 4x RX 560 mining rig, then proceeded to spend the next 4 hours trying to get the mining rig to not crash running either SRB or xmr-stak. I finally gave up on the RX 570 but it wasn't a totally wasted effort: now I am getting 1840H/s out of the 4x RX 560 rig at the same 355W total from the wall (55W actual per GPU) running 18.6.1 and manually setting worksize to 8 (but letting SRB set the intensity, and still with double threads true). And of course this morning I see there is a new version of SRB out, but I am too shell-shocked from yesterday to even contemplate messing around with this today. Oh, and I didn't even get to the point of trying to tweak voltages with ODT; the miner needs to run for more than a few seconds to bother with that kind of optimization. At any rate, thanks for help! |
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... Any kind I guess. If you`re talking about specifically pets then I would more likely to get a god.
A what ?  I only adopt gods from shelters; the only problem is, people rarely surrender gods to a shelter in the first place.  |
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whats happen to dero network i was lost over 11 dero today... mining to tradeogre from fairhash.org  People are reporting issues with TradeOgre itself on Dero's Discord server, so contact TO's support instead. |
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The XMR-stak 2.5.2 is out. Will you do a compilaiton? Thanks in advance.
Nobody likes a nag. Thanks in arrears. |
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...this makes the project a guaranteed success. A 222 post newbie? You are just the kind of promoter HoweyCoins is looking for! Make sure to sign up for the sig campaign and any bounties! |
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I once again set my profile to refuse PMs from newbies because of merit begging. A shame, because up until that point the PMs I got from newbies were genuine requests for help with mining or the like and now people like that will be punished because of the selfish/lazy/merit-obsessed.
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At any rate, my 4 cards are consistently doing 460, 420, 420, 460 and using an estimated 54W each (based on Kill-A-Watt monitor, minus the amount used by the system when not mining) and 1200 Core / 1900 Mem and -20% on the power limit, so you are totally kicking my ass in power consumption vs. hashrate. Clearly I have some more tweaking to do but right now I am just happy I got it working stably on v8.
Were you disabling P0-P6 in ODT? You should. Just click each one to grey it out. Also ODT version 0.2.6 is very buggy for me, it has a problem setting core properly so i downgraded to 0.2.5 which works perfectly. What I do is enable "extend official overclock limits" in Afterburner, then from there I only use ODT 0.2.5, you have to do that or you get mem clock setting error in ODT. I also have ODT 0.2.5 installed (not currently using it, however), but I only had P0 and P1 greyed out in my custom CN profile. I'm feeling more adventurous now that things have been running well for a day, but before I start giving myself a migraine I want to clarify a few things you've done: - Run 18.6.1 for less power consumption or 18.5.1 for higher hashrate (marginal differences both).
- Use MSI AB to "extend official overclock limits." Q: are you using MSI AB or ODT to control the fans? I greatly prefer using AB to set a custom fan curve.
- Bump up PL in AB to +5%
- Use ODT 0.2.5 to set highest P state for core/mem clock/voltage, trying 1180MHz/895mV for core and 2000-2100MHz for mem. Q: What about memory voltage?
- Set intensity manually in SRB try 23 to 24 initially. Q: What about worksize? SRB is setting it to 32 automatically (also, double threads true and K auto set to 1).
And that should bring my power consumption down to around 40W per card with a slight boost to hashrate, correct? |
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Looks like everything is back on track. I prefer US-located pools since that's where I am and normally I mine on the official pool just in case the 1% fee goes back into development or paying the devs, but during all the 51% attack shenanigans I switched to west-pool because they got back online first (an it's run by one of the LTHN devs, too). However, it's located in the EU and the ping time wasn't the best so today I decided to try out lethean.blockharbor.net and I really like the UI on it. Pricing data on the home page, and PPLNS share tally and depth on the dashboard page are especially nice touches. Pretty much the nicest CN pool I've come across so far. Just stay away from those cryptoknight.cc scumbags. |
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