I wonder who the first one to 15 million merits will be  I like this change a lot. Hopefully we'll see an increase in post quality. Absolutely logical post it is. i m also think now we will see new post with logic no more spam. The irony is strong in this one... |
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You know the board is lost when you get abused and accused of being a liar, asshole, cheater and a terrible son with absolutely ZERO proof to back it up and people hand out the merit to individuals making these claims. I guess you are guilty until proven innocent here. You guys may want to stop and think about how your treating people. I'm not lying. Can't really prove it but I am disappointed at the attack. One could have simply said you father was shit posting and is banned. End of story.
The personal attacks were uncalled for. The fact that they were merited shows a lot about why the forum is having issues. No one will respect your rules when you have no respect for the other members.
That knife cuts both ways, you know. Basically, there's no good way for you to prove that it was your father that got banned, and not one of your alt accounts. That said, I checked DeepDown87's post history and it looks like that user was last active in June of this year, but the last post was in November of last year. Perhaps the problem is due to the password being entered incorrectly too many times which triggers the <terminally broken> challenge question system. If that is the case then from what I've observed here on meta, this account is lost. |
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High username to post content ratio...  |
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I just ranked up 2 3 more newbies in the altcoins/mining subforum bringing my total up to 7 8. It's fairly easy to find newbies making decent posts in the more technical subfora, vs., say, here in meta (or those cesspools of spam, the discussion subfora for either bitcoin or altcoins), and I haven't found nearly as much posting in spam megathreads or bounty reports by those newbies who show an interest in mining.
Conversely, most of the merit abuse seems to be occurring in the altcoins/announcements subforum; especially common is ANN thread starters meriting apparently random shitposts in their own threads. Consequently, I'm thinking of starting a thread to collect examples of such abuse to make it convenient for DT members to go paint the abusers red.
P.S. - please don't PM me to asking for a review of your posts, and definitely don't ask if you can buy a merit.
EDIT - I forgot to say I think that getting marked with a "spambies" rank if you make x number of posts without getting a single merit is an excellent idea!
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Let's see what happens in a week or so, I do not think spam has dropped so much or am I wrong? I thought it would come to -50% but we are around 5-10% what do you think?
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The data posted by theymos a couple days ago shows about a 40% decrease in messages from the day before the meritocalypse occurred (aka the snappening, bitcointalk edition), but my informal observation of spam megathreads over the last few days is not dissimilar to yours: more specifically, posts by newbies - ie, those without signatures - have gone down dramatically, but posts by copper and jr. members with signatures has gone up quite a bit, almost cancelling each other out. Reporting copper/jr. members for spamming is far more rewarding than no-signature newbies, however, and will likely have a greater effect on reducing spam over time. Ideally, these shitposters will all resort to buying merits or copper memberships only to keep getting nuked for spamming/plagiarism; at some point they'll realize this is no longer a profitable endeavor, and we'll have won. One can dream, anyway... |
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My question is quiet simple, what if the person creates a good post according to your requirement and later after checking the history posts of this person, you realized that they are not good posts, you will not award the current post with merit because of the previous posts???
Pretty much, and though I've already explained why, I guess I'll explain it again. Let's say a person writes a brilliant post here in meta about the injustice of the merit system, a post that is surely worthy of receiving a merit. However, upon reviewing their other posts it seems that up until they got demoted back to newbie they were only dashing off one/two-liners in spam megathreads - you know, the threads that go on for hundreds if not thousands of posts on such scintillating subjects like "when bitcoin stop going down?", "how to tell if baunty [sic] scam?",. etc. This strongly implies they were merely churning out posts to meet a sig campaign quota and therefore not really having a conversation/discussion which is the primary purpose of a forum. Their recent demotion back to newbie removed their signature which also removed the incentive to churn out useless/ignored posts in spam megathreads, and suddenly they are, indeed, capable of crafting a coherent sentence or two for a post in meta. If one were to then given them a merit for this brief flash of eloquence they could then go back to their shitposting for bounty ways, entirely defeating the purpose of theymos' retroactively applied requirement of 1 merit to rank up from newbie to jr. member. So while it might seem cruel or unfair or what have you to deny a merit to a post that is worthy just because the other posts in their history are in spam megathreads (or are bounty reports), the fact of the matter is that merit can't be retracted once given out so if that merit is used to resume shitposting then it was very poorly spent. If a person who mainly posted in spam megathreads and/or bounty reports does start engaging in meaningful conversations then after a while their earlier posts can be overlooked, but in the immediate aftermath of meritocalypse? No way, Josè. @Karlblaise1 - I have no idea what you just wrote as your grammar cannot be parsed unambiguously, but I gather you think theymos should have individually dinged bad actors rather than demote all jr. members who hadn't yet earned a single merit back to newbie. Given that there are >2 million users on this forum please let me know how you think that could be accomplished without spending years reading post histories... |
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I believe when a person benefits the community, he is praised. It does not depend on whether you are new or already a senior member. We need to maintain friendly communication on the forum. There is one good saying: "Be easier and people to reach for you"
What are you talking about? It seems that the discussion here is about whether NOT to erroneously give merit(s) to someone who does not really deserve it. More specifically, I started this thread because of the massive influx of newbies to meta complaining about or "praising" the rule change, realizing that if most/all of their posts (outside of bounty reports) are in spam megathreads (to reach their sig campaign post quotas), then giving them a merit for their eloquent (or, at least, not-crap) meta post would just enable them to continue spamming elsewhere. It's not a matter of looking down on newbies or any other kind of elitism - I've merited 5 newbies back to jr. member myself in the last few days - rather, it's merely an attempt to not undo the change that many of us have been begging theymos to implement for months now. |
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Good project
Good project, I like it. Wish the project a brilliant success
^^ clearly some haven't gotten the memo that posting, "good project," 30 times won't get you to jr. member rank anymore. |
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Archive.is is the one I was trying to remember! Thanks for the help! |
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I've tried to call them but no one answered.
Are we still talking about +65?  What, you can't call the entire country of Singapore?  Archive everything you can, announcement thread, bounty, website, profile, just in case someone trash topic or in case they decide to change something on site after exposed(whitepaper, team etc).
What's the preferred method of doing that? Archive.it? |
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If bounty hunters had confined their activities to posting twitter/facebook/etc. reports in the bounty subforum there wouldn't be a problem, but too many of you were wandering around other parts of the forum posting massive numbers of shitposts for sig campaigns. THAT is what brought this pox upon your house.
I registered my account on January 4,2018.After the registration,i started studying technical analysis and fundamental behind a coin/token.I went through this just to trade and make constructive post. The thread i posted on are politics and society and Altcoin trading discussion. I just startedd posting on meta newly after jr members are being demoted. I have not wander on other forum for a day let alone posting garbage. Some of my posts on altcoins forum occur as a result of the previous trade i did in the past. I didn't single you out in my response - referring, instead, to "bounty hunters" in general - but since you went ahead and made a claim you don't post garbage I, of course, checked your post history and here are just a few of the useless, redundant and/or poorly-written posts (excluding bounty reports): Post #189 in "What are the reasons behind banning cryptos?": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4327994.msg45708196#msg45708196Post #273 in "Do you regret it not selling it on peaked last jan 2018": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564193.msg45707486#msg45707486Post #1548 (!!!) in "How to know if Bounty is scam?": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3217372.msg45707075#msg45707075^^ This on is almost a good post... except it is the >1500th in a thread and so the chance you contributed something meaningful that helped someone else is near zero. Post #130 in "Why crypto go down?": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4635180.msg45685481#msg45685481^^ This is a worthless post because the topic itself is totally unoriginal; something like it is posted several times every day. Etc. and so on. You think you write good posts and meaningfully participate in the forum but your English is sub-par and you post pretty much exclusively in spam megathreads. You may not want to hear it, you may not like it, but you are, indeed, the type of person the new, retroactive rule requiring 1 merit to reach jr. member is targeting. |
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I checked my profile and saw i have been relegated to the position of a newbie.I researched and found out the action was taken as a result of garbage posts.
The question is ,does it mean the moderators have failed to discharge their responsibilities by removing garbage posts?
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What the admins would have done is to ban bot bitcointalk or multiple accounts because those account might have 90% of garbage post.
The real question is, did users fail to discharge their responsibility to not post garbage in the first place? The answer is yes. Expecting moderators to catch every single shitpost is absurd, as prior to the meritocalypse there were 45000 to 55000 new posts per day and something like a few dozen - certainly less than 100 - moderators. That means the average moderator would have to analyze at least 500 posts per day (assuming no overlap with other mods) which is asking a bit much, really. If bounty hunters had confined their activities to posting twitter/facebook/etc. reports in the bounty subforum there wouldn't be a problem, but too many of you were wandering around other parts of the forum posting massive numbers of shitposts for sig campaigns. THAT is what brought this pox upon your house. |
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I still have some merits left and I was thinking on helping a few newbies but only after the things calm down a little as I don't really want to get tricked by some wolfs changing their clothes for a few days and then reverting to their methods.
And I always checked their history, as it has prevented me from sending merits a hundred times. If the first thing I see is that the user has the last 20 posts of the same size (3 lines or 4 lines) I don't even bother reading them as no normal user engaged in discussing something on this forum will manage to keep that pattern.
That's a rather clever algorithm for quickly identifying a shitposter! I wouldn't worry about accidentally meriting a shitposter if you are actually checking their history beforehand, though - even if they changed their posting behavior after the meritocalypse their older posts will still give them away. |
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But with the recent new rule in the forum, I was demoted back to newbie and I have asked my husband to send me some merit so I could rank up and continue my signature bounty, but he blatantly refused the request.
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Well, let's take a look at some of your posts from before the meritocalypse two days ago: Yeah sure, I really like NEO platform and I believe in the future it will go strong, though their network is not yet stable but once they fixed that I believe a lot of people will use their platform for their smart contract app because of the free gas.
yeah sure, eth is already making a bounce back already, last week the price was below $200 but now is above $200 and it shows that it's slowly bouncing back and if market should continue going well, it could go into $300 by next weekend.
Well my husband made me to join the cryptos, and the thought i had was to come and make more money as well because my husband has made a good money through cryptos before he got married to me, so i join so we could earn more, and buy our dream home.
Oh dear... we got ourselves a shitposter. |
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o lawd...  I guess this is one of the unintended consequences. I was worried that 1 merit wouldn't present much of an obstacle, but it turns out that buying your way out of newbie hell is a lot easier. |
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I truly feel sorry for you if $12 can buy you food for a week, a lot of the members here are very rude to poor 3rd worlders, I'm sure others here will berate you for not earning a single merit.
If homeless people came into your yard every day to use it as a toilet you might still feel sorry for them, but you'd be pretty pissed off, too. That's basically how the 3rd world shitposters behave: this forum is the front yard and "earning their daily needs" is the metaphorical equivalent of shitting on it. |
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By now i have read a lot of posts by users who are merit sources and their explanations how they give merit and how their standards will not change etc. They all say they will read your posting history, that you have to have all quality posts... the hell.. everyone who has over 100 posts have some shit in their history.
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Your argument is based on an exaggeration so it has no substance absent the exaggeration. I'm pretty sure you were referring to a comment made by The Pharmacist: I got made a merit source this morning, which was a bit of a surprise since I hadn't ever applied to be one and have stated multiple times that I didn't want to be one. However, since Theymos has seen fit to saddle me with the responsibility, I'll accept it and take it seriously.
However, I don't plan to give merits to any old Newbie just for a typical crappy post, i.e., I don't plan to lower the standards that I've always had. What I do plan on doing is finding low-ranked members who actually deserve merits, and I'll pay more attention to noob posts when I see them.
... Which was in my thread warning not to give merits to newly-demoted newbies if they have lots of posts in spam megathreads. This is not the same as saying don't give anyone merit if their post history is not totally free of shitposts, rather, to not accidentally undermine the goal that the new merit requirement for jr. members is attempting to achieve - namely, to remove the incentive to posting in spam megathreads just to ensure you meet your sig campaign posting quota. |
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That way other people might think twice before buying or exchanging 1 merit to get out of the "newbie hell" (source needed for the expression "newbie hell"... I don't remember who came up with the term, but it's my new go-to expression) I saw it first used by MagicSmoker, but the oldest reference I can find is Omega0255 more than 7 years ago. Don't report me for plagiarism! I came up with it independently, I swear!!! |
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Also, i wanted to mention that i never proposed to automise a gut feeling by automising neg repping or ignoring. My script will filter out all POTENTIAL abusers and that's it (nothing more, nothing less). Since i'm pretty sure that a lot of those POTENTIAL abusers are in fact false-positives (since i'm pretty sure a lot of demoted users will have re-promoted on legitimate grounds).
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Excellent idea! FWIW, I intentionally merited 4 newbies to jr. member in the wake of the bitcointalk snappening (c.f. - Avengers: Infinity War) and I'll admit that a couple of those posts were marginal, but I looked at their history and felt they were making a sincere effort rather than just spew crap in spam megathreads or post bounty reports (marginal because English clearly isn't their primary language). The posts in question are: HappySunNiklasFalkb9ronSpceGhstThis may help with context on some of the marginal cases; basically, some review of the merit receiver's post history might be necessary and that rapidly becomes too time-consuming to be practical. EDIT - agree with LoyceV that you should make a new thread in meta about this. |
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But I give a damn when I read some people that seem to be so intitled to make fun, address others in an unpolite way and in a patronising way when their own records are full of garbage posts in my opinion.
Seems like these kinds of assertions would need examples, right? It is one thing if a member uses colorful and expressive and even assertive language and another thing if the member seems to be engaging in abusive behavior. This post by BlastMechanism is likely relevant: It seems most people think that bounty tasks are spam and are not worth as a marketing campaing for the cryptoprojects. If this is the case, why keep accepting it on this forum? If this forum is just for techie people, there is no point in keep acceting bounty campaigns and expect that newbies can post "positive and valuable" posts. So eliminate all the bounty threads. And we non-techie persons and "toxic" bounty hunters will just move on to another platform.
And, afaik, almost 99,99999999% of members that have credits and a higher rank, earned it with the old rules, not with these new rules.
He made the above post in my topic warning people not to give out a (pity) merit to newly-demoted newbies without first checking their post history to make sure it wasn't loaded with 1-2 line replies in spam megathreads (or bounty reports). Like I said in a previous post, some of us are here for social interaction with people who are interested in bitcoin/crypto, and some are here to punch a timecard, metaphorically speaking. |
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