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541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 09, 2014, 02:19:54 AM
The explorer seemed to indicate that burns with different inputs or more than one output to non-sending address were invalid. The only definitive confirmation though is to check the counterpatyd client.

PS The explorer seems to be down, last time I checked.

PSS I think it wouldn't be hard to programmatically check every address you get from that table with counterpartyd, and get the burn amount. In fact, an even easier way is to check the counterpartyd logfile, which has a pretty structured log syntax that you can turn into data with a few string commands. Of course this will require running bitcoind and counterpartyd on your remote server.

Example from log file:
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2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Block: 278930
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 1GSJoRMuFEqtx3e4UjmfZiNonoGrHnt5Wv burned 1.0 BTC for 1443.63636364 XCP (b8a27744…79d741e4)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 146FcHjXUSiJMcYWE7WKPBKSvvCedi2YuA burned 1.0 BTC for 1443.63636364 XCP (e62cd3f0…88fc3542)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 18tJnidmGRi4QxAFmUQgwdQMJm9tRVZotp burned 0.9999 BTC for 1443.492 XCP (cd68e0a1…13c4f575)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 1NULPePYzi8oz6r8D2pgKjfAcJjXQGKasc burned 0.30370714 BTC for 438.4426712 XCP (d29b8039…972e4573)
2014-01-06-T10:30:28Central Standard Time Block: 278931
2014-01-06-T10:30:31Central Standard Time Block: 278932
2014-01-06-T10:30:39Central Standard Time Block: 278933
2014-01-06-T10:30:40Central Standard Time Block: 278934
2014-01-06-T10:30:41Central Standard Time Block: 278935
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Block: 278936
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Burn: 1NFga6ZVsrx9wP4uRg6rNzD9drbdz5hbsA burned 0.99909597 BTC for 1441.78631162 XCP (460f00fc…c4605fbc)
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Burn: 1NDBXUBa1DPbPbxLEA8r8FJufzNdrT9Pb7 burned 0.9941 BTC for 1434.57667273 XCP (93a7209d…b2c95f7f)
2014-01-06-T10:30:46Central Standard Time Block: 278937
2014-01-06-T10:30:47Central Standard Time Block: 278938
...
Have fixed. Now the only requirement is 1) all input addresses are the same. 2) the first output goes to the burn address. 3) Not exceeding 1 BTC limit.
542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart (XCP) Explorer on: January 09, 2014, 02:13:36 AM
Hi, PhantomPhreak. It's too heavy to install bitcoind. Smiley Currently I am using the blockchain.info API and this explorer is just a very lightweight Go program running on Heroku without any dependency.

Moreover, I think a separate parsing program may help standardize the protocol specification. Smiley That said, I will follow the changes in the python source since now the source is the specification. 
543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart (XCP) Explorer on: January 09, 2014, 01:08:26 AM
I think it wouldn't be hard to programmatically check every address you get from that table with counterpartyd, and get the burn amount. In fact, an even easier way is to check the counterpartyd logfile, which has a pretty structured log syntax that you can turn into data with a few string commands. Of course this will require running bitcoind and counterpartyd on your remote server.

Example from log file:
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2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Block: 278930
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 1GSJoRMuFEqtx3e4UjmfZiNonoGrHnt5Wv burned 1.0 BTC for 1443.63636364 XCP (b8a27744…79d741e4)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 146FcHjXUSiJMcYWE7WKPBKSvvCedi2YuA burned 1.0 BTC for 1443.63636364 XCP (e62cd3f0…88fc3542)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 18tJnidmGRi4QxAFmUQgwdQMJm9tRVZotp burned 0.9999 BTC for 1443.492 XCP (cd68e0a1…13c4f575)
2014-01-06-T10:30:27Central Standard Time Burn: 1NULPePYzi8oz6r8D2pgKjfAcJjXQGKasc burned 0.30370714 BTC for 438.4426712 XCP (d29b8039…972e4573)
2014-01-06-T10:30:28Central Standard Time Block: 278931
2014-01-06-T10:30:31Central Standard Time Block: 278932
2014-01-06-T10:30:39Central Standard Time Block: 278933
2014-01-06-T10:30:40Central Standard Time Block: 278934
2014-01-06-T10:30:41Central Standard Time Block: 278935
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Block: 278936
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Burn: 1NFga6ZVsrx9wP4uRg6rNzD9drbdz5hbsA burned 0.99909597 BTC for 1441.78631162 XCP (460f00fc…c4605fbc)
2014-01-06-T10:30:44Central Standard Time Burn: 1NDBXUBa1DPbPbxLEA8r8FJufzNdrT9Pb7 burned 0.9941 BTC for 1434.57667273 XCP (93a7209d…b2c95f7f)
2014-01-06-T10:30:46Central Standard Time Block: 278937
2014-01-06-T10:30:47Central Standard Time Block: 278938
...
Good idea, I will at least install it on my local computer and compare the results periodically.
544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 09, 2014, 01:05:54 AM
Ok. Thanks for your clarification. So I will remove the requirement that change address has to be the sent address. Just wonder why you restrict the order. 1) order is not guaranteed in many clients. 2) order is not needed in determining the burnt amount. Thanks.

Btw some clients randomize the output order to increase the anonimosity, so people don't know which address is change address and tracking becomes more difficult.

It's only burn transactions that can even theoretically be constructed with a client that isn't specifically designed to handle Counterparty transactions (which, in every other case, include an OP_RETURN output). This way, the algorithm for parsing a burn is the same as that for parsing any Counterparty transaction with regard to identifying the 'destination': a burn is any valid Counterparty transaction whose destination is the unspendable address.

Ok it make sense. I will change my validation.
545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 02:35:01 PM
if there're two outputs, the first output should be the burn address and the second should be the same as the input address. Please correct me if this does not comply with the standard
Don't know how counterpartyd works, but standard bitcoin client doesn't guarantee outputs order.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet.cpp#L1333
Ok, then I will relax to

if there're two outputs, one has to be the burn address and one has to be the send address.

Any Counterpart developer can help to confirm these rules? Thanks a lot.

As others have noted, the change address is unimportant; what matters is the order of the outputs, which counterpartyd picks carefully. I'm going to change the HowToBurn instructions now.
Ok. Thanks for your clarification. So I will remove the requirement that change address has to be the sent address. Just wonder why you restrict the order. 1) order is not guaranteed in many clients. 2) order is not needed in determining the burnt amount. Thanks.

Btw some clients randomize the output order to increase the anonimosity, so people don't know which address is change address and tracking becomes more difficult.
546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 06:31:22 AM
It's due to a bug. Fixed already.

Love your work!

Btw, which address was the first that did a successful burn?
I guess this one
https://blockchain.info/tx/685623401c3f5e9d2eaaf0657a50454e56a270ee7630d409e98d3bc257560098


Currently, the order in my website is random the order is from the most XCP to least. Smiley
547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 06:16:57 AM
Yes, that's the reason I checked the order,  but bitcoind seems does not ensure the first output address is always in the first position of the transaction. I am not sure about it, but fortunately it seems up till now, all the transactions with two outputs have the burn address in the first position.

Ah ok.

How are the results being aggregated and then the error thrown where there are multiple transactions on that address?

For example:

https://blockchain.info/address/1BPwZ758qNBAKygmq74s16nDZwNjsP6gu8

1BPwZ758qNBAKygmq74s16nDZwNjsP6gu8   --->   BTC spent: 0.01000000   XCP balance: 0.0000   error: no output address is the burn address

It appears to be a good burn of 0.01 BTC.
It's due to a bug. Fixed already.
548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 05:50:35 AM

Your BTC and XCP values seem to be a multiple of 6 higher than expected. After all each address can't have more than 1 BTC / 1500 XCP.
Fixed.


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Also I see a lot of unfortunate people that messed up the burn. This is why you do a test burn, people.

Particularly it's the multiple inputs part that seems to be a problem. The tutorial should emphasize that multiple inputs are NOT accepted.



I'm not sure multiple inputs are not accepted yet. It requires the confirmation of the developers. The developers could relax the condition so that those BTCs are not wasted.

I've relaxed the condition to only invalidate those with multiple input addresses. If there're multiple inputs with same address, it is treated as valid now. Now almost all transactions are valid now except there's one address burnt slightly over 1 BTC.
549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 05:45:22 AM
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Ok, then I will relax to

if there're two outputs, one has to be the burn address and one has to be the send address.

Any Counterpart developer can help to confirm these rules? Thanks a lot.

Great work.

Valid transactions:

1) Where there is change left over from the burn - the first output address must be the burn address, the second output must be the sending address.

2) Where there is NO change left over from the burn - the only output is the burn address.

Source (scroll down to Verification):

http://counterpartyd-build.readthedocs.org/en/latest/HowToBurn.html


Yes, that's the reason I checked the order,  but bitcoind seems does not ensure the first output address is always in the first position of the transaction. I am not sure about it, but fortunately it seems up till now, all the transactions with two outputs have the burn address in the first position.
550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [IPO-ANN][NEON] :: Neon :: The Most Advanced Second Generation Currency on: January 08, 2014, 04:56:53 AM
This approach is obviously similar to nxt's approach. People right now are calling it a scam. Nxt has been launched and (although not structured) the core code has been labelled as somewhat ingenious work. People now call nxt a scam because of the way it released the coin, only 21 ( I think) bitcoins. The way I see it is, a haterz gonna hate. Take a risk and give to these scammers/geniuses because in reality, we won't know until 3+ months from now and by then it will be too late.

Yes, you will get scammed. Yes, you can make smart decisions by asking questions and critiquing the motives and promised features but I bet the same people calling these so called '2nd generation' coins a scam now will be the same ones that call them a scam when/if they successfully launch.

I say pick a side and with very little contribution to the IPO and very large potential for profits (yes, greed drives people to do stupid things sometimes), these coins should be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Although it would help there cause to provide some sort of evidence of this great features.

Just my two eMu's.

You can check when the first Nxt post was made and how long he has discussed about his idea and the technical details. Yes, even Nxt, most similar to a scam, was much more than just post a vague post and get free BTC immediately.
551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 04:42:26 AM
if there're two outputs, the first output should be the burn address and the second should be the same as the input address. Please correct me if this does not comply with the standard
Don't know how counterpartyd works, but standard bitcoin client doesn't guarantee outputs order.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet.cpp#L1333
Ok, then I will relax to

if there're two outputs, one has to be the burn address and one has to be the send address.

Any Counterpart developer can help to confirm these rules? Thanks a lot.
552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 04:28:33 AM
I think XCP is a very promising project and I think I will do something on it (maybe an counterparty explorer soon).

Nonetheless, I don't think this project is able to give you huge return (more than 10x) like Nxt, so please be warned if you want to be rich over-night.

The reason is simple. Since this is an open-source project, so anyone could replicate it without any cost. They just need to create a new un-spendable address and then there's another XCP-2, XCP-3. Once people find the price of XCP is too high, they can freely goes to XCP-2 and XCP-3.

The smart or sneaky part of Nxt is that they postpone opening their source until the price is already more than 1000x. For master-coin, they have no code at all even at current stage.

Therefore, XCP in my opinion is the most honourable project and it's the project really want to create a decentralized market rather than a be-rich-soon game (the only other one similar is colored-coin).

Any thinking about this is welcome, especially from the developers.

Thanks for the kind words!

The Counterparty team makes no promises regarding returns-on -investment. Our goal. moreover, was not to make investors rich overnight, but rather to create a working and relatively full-featured client, and to that extent returns-on-investment were secondary. At the same time, however, I believe that the situation you describe does not preclude XCP significantly increasing in value. Specifically, unless a Counterparty fork offers some real technical improvement, I think that XCP-2, etc. will be minted only when Counterparty has proved itself a financial success. And even if a Counterparty fork does offer technical advantage, the importance of being the first Counterparty must not be forgotten. In my opinion, certain alt-coins offer definite advantages over Bitcoin (e.g. faster block-time), and yet Bitcoin has still increased in value and the alt-coin market has, in my opinion, at least for now, proven itself to be by-and-large a bubble. Nothing suggests to me that the situation wouldn't be same if alt-Counterpartys were to appear.

There're years between bitcoin and its copicats, so bitcoin has enough time to grow. XCP, however, may have only months to be mature enough to secure the first arriver advantage. Nonetheless, I agree with you that there're still considerable upsite for XCP, because people will copy it and will to burn for the copicat only after XCP is successful and the price is high enough.

I'm just saying that the price will not increase as much as Nxt (>1000x) and all investors had better to keep this in mind IMHO.
553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 04:21:53 AM
I think XCP is a very promising project and I think I will do something on it (maybe an counterparty explorer soon).

Nonetheless, I don't think this project is able to give you huge return (more than 10x) like Nxt, so please be warned if you want to be rich over-night.

The reason is simple. Since this is an open-source project, so anyone could replicate it without any cost. They just need to create a new un-spendable address and then there's another XCP-2, XCP-3. Once people find the price of XCP is too high, they can freely goes to XCP-2 and XCP-3.

The smart or sneaky part of Nxt is that they postpone opening their source until the price is already more than 1000x. For master-coin, they have no code at all even at current stage.

Therefore, XCP in my opinion is the most honourable project and it's the project really want to create a decentralized market rather than a be-rich-soon game (the only other one similar is colored-coin).

Any thinking about this is welcome, especially from the developers.


once a lot of services get built around the project then it would hard to replicate that support structure isn't it? I would think it would be hard for any copy cat to replicate the counterparty support community after counterparty has a good head start.

Yes, it becomes difficult to be copied if there're many asset issued on XCP, but before that people are free to copy and compete with the asset issuers.
554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 04:17:00 AM
I've put a couterpart explorer online:
http://www.counterparty-explorer.com/


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404562.msg4380341#msg4380341

Welcome to try it. Please correct me if my validation criteria is different with the official one.
555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Counterpart Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 04:15:24 AM
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556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Counterpart (XCP) Explorer on: January 08, 2014, 04:15:03 AM
Hi, I've created a website to facilitate people to check their counterpart (XCP) balance.
http://www.counterparty-explorer.com/

Note:
1) Valid burn:
   a) all input addresses should be identical
   b) the FIRST output HAS TO BE the burn address.
   c) only BTC burnt up to 1 BTC limit is considered valid.
This complies with the official couterpartd.

2) Not polished yet, so it's only plain text for now. Smiley Please use Ctrl-F to search your address. Per-address detail will be added later.

Disclaimer: this is not an official site, so the balance may be different with the couterpartd.

Any feedback is welcome.
557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: January 08, 2014, 02:34:15 AM
My Mastercoin friends,

Given all the competition we've seen in this field lately, I no longer feel I can afford to wait for a sky-high price I like before selling some Mastercoins and jumping into the fray full-time. (As you all know, I've never sold a single one of my own Mastercoins, and I've been persistently disdainful of the market price so far).

I had a meeting with my tax advisor, and I'm going to have a HUGE tax bill due in April, so even if I wanted to wait longer, I cannot. So, I'm going to commence selling small amounts on the exchanges and see how it goes. Over the next few days, I will be placing small sell orders above the market price on various exchanges. I'm not in a hurry, and you won't see me dumping a lot of coins onto the bids or anything like that.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE A LARGE CHUNK OF MASTERCOINS WITHOUT MOVING THE MARKET, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. Please PM me if you would like to get a large chunk of MSC around current market prices. For very large purchases (100 BTC+), I may consider selling slightly below market if you can convince me you are making a long-term investment. Several of you have reached out to me in the past asking to make large purchases of this sort, and I told you I wasn't selling. Now I am.

Please don't PM me about small orders (< 5 BTC). You can easily buy those quantities on the exchanges if you like.

I hope to sell 3-6% of my total MSC holdings (5000-10000 MSC). If there is a big buyer right now, I may do it sooner, otherwise it may be later in the year. If I haven't sold them by August 1st 2014, I'll sell more aggressively, as I will have held them for a year and I'll only have to pay long-term capital gain taxes.

I believe very strongly in Mastercoin, but something like 99% of my personal net worth is currently in Mastercoin, and Ron has convinced me that I have to do SOME diversification, especially since that will allow me to quit my dayjob and throw myself headlong down this rabbit hole Smiley

Thanks!

-J.R.

Also posted this on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/mastercoin/comments/1uo0ft/buy_mastercoins_directly_from_jr_founder_of/


I think this is good for mastercoin, as long as after selling you could be full time on it. It also helps distribution to be better.

The progress of mastercoin is extremely slow, considering what the competitors have done. A client has to be out in at most one month, and an exchange has to be out in at most two months. Otherwise, I don't think it has a good chance to survive anymore.
558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 02:14:33 AM
I think XCP is a very promising project and I think I will do something on it (maybe an counterparty explorer soon).

Nonetheless, I don't think this project is able to give you huge return (more than 10x) like Nxt, so please be warned if you want to be rich over-night.

The reason is simple. Since this is an open-source project, so anyone could replicate it without any cost. They just need to create a new un-spendable address and then there's another XCP-2, XCP-3. Once people find the price of XCP is too high, they can freely goes to XCP-2 and XCP-3.

The smart or sneaky part of Nxt is that they postpone opening their source until the price is already more than 1000x. For master-coin, they have no code at all even at current stage.

Therefore, XCP in my opinion is the most honourable project and it's the project really want to create a decentralized market rather than a be-rich-soon game (the only other one similar is colored-coin).

Any thinking about this is welcome, especially from the developers.
559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 08, 2014, 01:48:31 AM
2FA needs a central server, so I don't know how it can be implemented in a decentralized system.
humm... does it necessary does?
I thought it was just the result of a function on a private key in relation to a referential clock.
Sure the time ref is centralized. But if that only that it can be solved.
Now maybe the verification need a central server. Haven't thought about that.
Unperfect 2FA technology if that's the case.
'thought it worked with multisignature reconnaissance or something similar.
My understanding is vague, I admit.
But with a net of trust amongst master node, 'well doesn't seem completely impossible.
I cannot solve the tech aspect, that much is certain.

Thing is: current security is not enough.
Doesn't seem to be.
Security is not my strong suit.
But if there is a real risk that someone connect to my computer and stole my unencrypted wallet.dat (let's say), then the risk of him having a keylogger, a live watch on my screen, or something taking screenshort regularly:the risk is pretty much the same.
If the guy have the skill for the first, what prevent the second?
He just have to wait until he see either a privkey or your wallet password.

That's why I'm uncomfortable about not being able to move my XCP.
Sole place my coin are safe to me is in privkey outside wallet who never touched an internet connection.
I entered my wallet password in a terminal with a space upfront.
But it happened many time while 'computer is online.
Has to be to use the soft.

I'm not at peace with that.
I have no clue if my computer is secure enough.
Fresh GNU/Linux is better than old XP for sure, but I don't know much more about security.

I think the best method to ensure safety is to use an always-offline computer to sign the transaction, like the Armony offline wallet. I'm currently trying to find a more convenient way on it.
560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [IPO-ANN][NEON] :: Neon :: The Most Advanced Second Generation Currency on: January 08, 2014, 01:44:11 AM
The beta test will confirm once for all if this is legit or not.  

If you want to play it safe, just wait until Beta comes out.  If its good, get your investments and btc ready and make a safe bet.  Regardless whether you invest now or after beta test, your still investing pre-launch.  So there's no reason to be greedy which happens to be the main reason for losing money.  So if you're going to make a risky investment between now and beta, just make sure its money that you can afford to lose.

Time will tell if these guys are the next Satoshi Nakamoto 2.0 or just the same bunch of thieves who'll con you out of your btc.



Satoshi Nakamoto has never asked people to send him money for his project.
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