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581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [IPO-ANN][NEON] :: Neon :: The Most Advanced Second Generation Currency on: January 06, 2014, 08:37:15 AM
If they cannot prove they have found the way to know the uptime of each node in an decentralized way, their claim that it works in the testnet already is most likely a lie.

Hope this isn't a scam. I could have bought a pretty nice bottle of champagne with the ~$1500 in BTC I just invested.

They claim that they have all of these features implemented in a 2-3 month period (by college students?) as well as having an android, iOS, windows, etc. clients already? From 3 people? Why do they even need funding if their project is complete? In addition, without a BTC limit, someone could end up with a very large stake, so this is a not a smart move (unless they are planning to scam). They should just split the coins between bounties (you know... to cover costs), running nodes and subsidized transactions, right? Why even have an IPO?

Honestly, it's not looking good at the moment, but we'll see what they have to say Roll Eyes

If I were them and there's really a working test client, I would publish the test client first at least to some beta testers. I believe I will collect much more fund with their testimonials. At least, I will post some screenshots to show how the client/node works to attract more investment. Then think about why I don't do things like this. Most likely because I can't.

Moreover, apparently this proposal exactly targets some complaints of Nxt. Nxt suffers from DDos because of the less of incentive of mining. The two methods in this proposal were actually proposed by other people in the Nxt thread. Actually, it was me who suggested sending nxt out from the unclaimed account every minute to increase the incentive of miners (they get the tx fee). Now think about which one has the higher possibility. 1) The got the idea 2-3 months ago before Nxt was announced. 2) The got the idea just couple of days ago by reading the Nxt thread.

582  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of Transactions on: January 06, 2014, 08:20:51 AM
In PoS making more hashes, you would obtain more benefits too...  It has a kind of timestamp control to avoid this.

PoS do two things:

1.- Fixed hash to one hash per second.
2.- Difficulty is not fixed, it is variable and less for the accounts with more number of coin-age (coins*time_in_wallet).

PoT would do two things too:

1.- Fixed hash to one hash per second.
2.- Difficulty is not fixed, it is variable and less for the accounts with more number of accumulated transactions.


I am not sure how PoS in PPC works, but in nxt, they claim that the mining is deterministic and who should forge a block is determined as long as that node is forging.

I am quite curious about how timestamp control can avoid a client to make multiple hash in a second. It may avoid a client to SUBMIT more than a hash a second, but hashing is done locally and no other node will know how many times I have tried.
583  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: January 06, 2014, 08:13:53 AM
Just a reminder, there is an ASICMINER speculation thread specifically for all the share price chat stuff .....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.0

Then we don't have to listen here to people bickering about whether shares are over-valued Smiley
Speculation is about the price of the stock, and we are talking about the value of this stock. That's completely different.

For example, by speculation, now may be a good chance to buy AM shares cause someone may keep pumping the price until the tape-out result is out and you could earn considerable BTC by join the pump and dump. When we consider the value of the AM share, however, the current price is already above its value in my opinion and we should not consider it a good investment any more.
584  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: January 06, 2014, 08:12:49 AM
these share prices... wow! i should have bought more last month Sad

Yeah .... I though they would remain stable around 0.30 but I guess once a bit of buying started, the panic buying followed right after ...... let's see how it plays out now
I think some people just try to pump and dump, taking advantage of the out-coming tape-out. Even the tape-out is successful (most likely someone has already got some insider news about the progress), the current price is still way over-priced in my opinion.

No it isn't. The value of a stock is based on all future dividends, discounted by risk and some penalty for future returns being worth less than money today.

What is going on in the next two months for asicminer is totally irrelevant.

I agree with you way to calculate the value of the stock, but I don't think AM has any chance to generate dividends of 0.6 BTC in the future. Another 0.6 BTC means AM has to generate more than 240K BTC in the future. Considering there're only 9M bitcois left, it means AM has to get more than 2.6% of the rest BTC. As a mining dominated company, that almost means AM has to keep 2.6% of the network hashing rate all the time (costs have been completely ignored here), not matter how fast the whole network hashing rate increases.

You may say, there're other revenue besides the mining/selling chips/franchising, such as immerse cooling. Those revenues, however, are in fiats and considering the appreciation of BTC in the future, revenue in fiats can be safely ignored in my opinion.

Finally, even AM achieves the objective, what's the point to spend 0.6 BTC and wait for the 0.6 BTC be returned in dividend in the following years?
585  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [IPO-ANN][NEON] :: Neon :: The Most Advanced Second Generation Currency on: January 06, 2014, 07:59:33 AM
If they cannot prove they have found the way to know the uptime of each node in an decentralized way, their claim that it works in the testnet already is most likely a lie.
586  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of Transactions on: January 06, 2014, 07:54:26 AM
How to fix everyone's hashing rate to one hash per second? Relying on no one changes your source code, or is there any method to ensure this in the decentralized network?

For example, PPC already do it.  And NXT I think too...  Every PoS coins do it.  A kind of timestamp control...
It works only when making more than 1 hash per second does not bring more benefit, such as PoS coins, but no necessarily works in PoT, where making more hashes seems will bring more chances of win the block.
587  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: January 06, 2014, 07:45:46 AM
May I ask a question about the developer's incentive.

Proof by burn does increase the trust level, but how about the incentive? Have the developers already burned enough BTC to get their shares, or have the developers reserved certain part of XCP for themselves? If not, how can we be sure the developers will concentrate on this project and try their best to improve the value of XCP?
588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of Transactions on: January 06, 2014, 07:41:43 AM
Hey guys,

Yesterday talking with Zesterer in fastcointalk.org forums, he told to me that he with a friend talked about to make a some coin that rewards its use.  Thinking on this idea, the system Proof of Transactions (PoT) came to my mind...

It is a system where the blocks are discovered by who has more transactions.  It is simple:

Hashing would be fixed to one hash per second for everyone.  
The difficulty would not be equal for everyone, it would be variable and less for accounts with more transactions.  And when somebody discovers one block, his transactions count would be reset to 0, and the count would start again until the next discovery.  The reward would be the fees of transactions in the block.

It is very simple, but I think that system promotes the use of the coin, as Zesterer said.  And avoids 51% attack because in each discovery resets the discovery probability to 0 to the account did it.

I think it would be a good system to implement a future version of a coin to promote the use and distribution more equity and faster of the coin of our day to day...  Smiley  It does not reward the huge amount of money, neither who buy more technology and spend more energy... simply rewards the people spends his money.

This coin would not have mining, all amonut would be generated at the begining, so it would be necessary a good distribution system (equity and fair)...

It is a today idea, I dont have details about it yet...  so I hope your opinions and pros and cons that you see it...

Thanks in advanced...!
How to fix everyone's hashing rate to one hash per second? Relying on no one changes your source code, or is there any method to ensure this in the decentralized network?
589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [IPO-ANN][NEON] :: Neon :: The Most Advanced Second Generation Currency on: January 06, 2014, 07:20:58 AM
can you be more specific about how this works

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Every 1440 minutes the network will check how many nodes where online and supporting the network and reward 57600 NEONs proportional to the uptime of the nodes.

how does "the network" check this. the node that authors the block surely must make the decision about which nodes have been running and for how long those nodes have been running. what if that author lies? how does anyone know? how could any node possably know about ALL of the other nodes. how can everyone be expected to know about all of the nodes so they can know to reject the chain if the block author is lying?

I haven't seen this great question be answered yet. As a decentralized application, there's no central server to do the statistics. How the network check the online status of each nodes and how the nodes prove their uptime?

You may setup a central node to distribute the rewards, but how could this node know the exact uptime of each other client? Remember not all nodes connected to this central node, otherwise it becomes not decentralized at all. This is the most innovative part of this proposal and needs more verification since it's not applied in all existing coins.
590  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: January 06, 2014, 06:56:49 AM
these share prices... wow! i should have bought more last month Sad

Yeah .... I though they would remain stable around 0.30 but I guess once a bit of buying started, the panic buying followed right after ...... let's see how it plays out now
I think some people just try to pump and dump, taking advantage of the out-coming tape-out. Even the tape-out is successful (most likely someone has already got some insider news about the progress), the current price is still way over-priced in my opinion.
591  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I have an innovative coin idea, but am not sure where to start... on: January 06, 2014, 06:43:28 AM
what about a coin that does one hash every second.  so it's the same on each computer
A main concern in p2p software is that you cannot rely on the assumption that no one will change your code. You may easily add a sleep in the code to control the generating speed, but you cannot avoid others to remove this 'sleep' from his code. Remember being a decentralized application, there's no central point to control anything in the global level. That's why PoW is introduced because they can avoid such kind of cheating. Everyone has to finish some kind of computing before they can generate a block and the interval of generating blocks can be adjusted by changing the difficulty.   

Before we come out some innovative ideas, we'd better understand the rationale of current system first. 
592  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: January 06, 2014, 06:30:25 AM
So should we chalk this up to a loss? Or will the shares be trading on cypher trade by default?
Wait until the CipherTrade is live and hope Kate and Deprived are back that time.

As long as Kate can be contacted, we can negotiate on how to deal with the CipherMine.B1 part (more than half) of DMS. The rest 150 BTC in the public address https://blockchain.info/address/1CzJY7pVkCqDjUtycHzFgeTTbbWokqYuXo is only accessible by Deprived and nobody else can handle it, so we really needs to find Deprived for that part of DMS.
593  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I have an innovative coin idea, but am not sure where to start... on: January 05, 2014, 08:15:00 AM
Hi,

I have an idea for a new alt coin (not crap coin) It is actually innovative, and has some features that I don't think have been seen before.

That said, I have NO idea how to implement the coin....

Here are the features it would have:

  • Instant block loading or synchronizing with network
  • No one would have any advantage mining, no matter what kind of computer you have, you mine at the same speed as everyone else
  • No processing power is used in mining, so the computer of someone mining is not slowed down (this also allows it to be mined at the same time as other coins )

That is the general idea, and I know how it could work, but as I said before, I have no idea how to implement it....

Any pointers on what to do/how to get started???

Thanks,
Josh
I think you'd better understand why PoW or PoS is required in the first place. One of the main reasons is to avoid people to spawn a lot of instances to attack without any cost. Your idea is exactly something they love. They can even create thousands instances in one computer.
594  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BTC China will be closed. All Bitcoin chinese exchangers will be closed. on: January 04, 2014, 08:28:55 AM
Where is closed? I can log in, everything seems to work
it's closed as I stated 3 weeks ago. Wink
One of you is lying.  I wonder which one ...
Just click https://btcchina.com and you will know.

595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How are large mining pools not a threat? on: January 03, 2014, 11:07:15 AM
It does not matter who mined the 12 blocks. If you want to double spend a coin in 12 blocks before (say current block height is 10012, and you want to double spend a coin at 10001), you have to reverse back 12 blocks and begin mining a new block (10001). In the same time, other miners are mining 10013. Your hash rate needs to be faster than all other miners so you can catch up with the main chain before next difficulty adjustment. Don't expect you will finish all blocks 10001 - 10013 before other miners find their block 10013. You have to catch up with them slowly, maybe at block 10033 or even 10133. Before that, all the blocks you mined are treated as orphan blocks.

If you are still mining the shorter chain after next difficulty adjustment, you will never catch up because the other miners mining speed will be doubled due to difficulty decrease.

Moreover, it is very easy for the public to find you are trying to do this malicious thing.
1) The confirmation time of following blocks are doubled, because your hash rate has left to mine a 10001.
2) You've mined many orphaned blocks in a row (10001, 10002, ...) until your chain catches up with the main chain and replace it.
3) All the clients will suffer from a deep reorganization after your chain finally catches up and replace the old block chain.

In short, even if you have 51% hash rate, you will not double spend some coins 12 or even 6 blocks away. Otherwise, it takes a lot of time for you to catch up with the main chain, and people will notice this very easily.
596  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Is following possible with programming? on: January 03, 2014, 09:31:05 AM
A proper way for a merchant to receive BTC payment is to generate an address for each customer. It's a standard way and helps a lot for tracking who pays how much automatically. You could generate a BTC address when people login in and store that in the DB.

Please use one public address approach only as donation address.
597  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitShares and Mastercoin - a comparison on: January 03, 2014, 09:19:13 AM
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So what you're saying is that Invictus basically screwed their shareholders by only paying them 1% instead of the 20%(10 angels/10 protoshare owners) and got away with it by saying someone else launched this Memory Coin, when actually it was them all along?

I'm not saying anything. I don't care about what Invictus does anymore. Dan Larimer made it clear what he felt my contributions to the company were and our future working relationship.
I am quite curious about how you were pushed away since you are the co-founder, and co-founder cannot be just fired. Does it relate to the investors from China?
598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NSA seeks to build quantum computer that could crack most types of encryption on: January 03, 2014, 09:12:30 AM
But feasibly with an efficient quantum computer (and I do mean EFFICIENT not some emulation of a quantum computer) the use of superpositioning of qubit the number of instructions to calculate an encryption algorithm is lowered thereby decreasing (potentially significantly) the amount of time it'd take to bruteforce an encrypted data stream.

Of course by then we'll know a lot more about quantum theory allowing us to bend space time thereby allowing for us to go back in time and mine a few thousand cpu coins for a week.
You'd think so, but it seems to work the other way around. Peter Shor figured out how to use a quantum computer to factor numbers before such a computer existed. It's like how Babbage developed the analytical engine long before such a thing would be feasible to manufacture, and Ada Lovelace wrote a "program" for it. I suspect if quantum computers were useful for reversing hashes, someone would have shown how to do it, even if the hardware doesn't exist.

Nothing can reverse hashes cause hashing is not a lossless compression. For example, you could hash a 1G movie into 256 bit hash value. A lot of information has lost during hashing, so no one can reverse it.
599  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: address changed, transaction disappeared on: January 03, 2014, 09:04:20 AM
Most likely that's the change address. When sending out some btc, The Qt client will create a new address and  send change to this address. You will see the change after you finish syncing all the blocks.
600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Buying 1Btc with 33Ltc on: January 03, 2014, 08:48:49 AM
If anyone im willing to go first but will have to see proof you have btc with teamviewer.
Message me if interested.
I really don't understand it. Even someone can prove he has 1 btc does not mean he will send you 1 btc. Please use escrow or at least trade with small steps.
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