which exchange you buy from?i gonna buy as well

To those applicants who haven't received their stake yet, while waiting for your application to get approved let's continue voting on mintpal every hour. COMM is now nearing 3000 votes!

PMed you

he didn't say anything against that and we discussed it a while back as team. what's your point? what's your problem?


Haha, thanks. I had a good laugh.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON A SPREADSHEET?!

Seriously? I (and everybody else) can get 1 million NHZ by spending 250$, 1 or 2 hours of time, and waiting a month. You say that's the appropriate amount for working our asses off in our free time since 2 weeks? There will always be people feeling like they would have deserved more than others and complain, we expected that. But your attitude beats our expectations by far.

Of course we have been thinking about things like "how many % will the devs end up with, how many % will be spread out to nodes, how long will distribution take" and so on. The simple answer is: we have no idea. It depends on who joins in, who stays how long, who does what, how many nodes are set up, and probably some more things we didn't even calculate with. We can't guess that, so we decided to go without a plan and look what happens.

If you don't see how much work we already put into this you probably have no idea of software development. You don't need to, but: this is not our day job, it's a hobby. I don't want another manager boss to whom I need to give account for everything I do. You don't like that attitude, you don't need to be here. NHZ is here to stay, and it will be spread out to hopefully a lot of people who appreciate the possibilities it offers.

Maybe there will be another team of developers using a similar approach, there certainly will be more NXT clones during the coming weeks and months and they all will have to think about a way for distribution. And if a team wants to feel like they're owned by some people calling themselves "community", but have nothing else to do but bitch around - that's their choice. We don't.

That said: as soon as our forum is running (only waiting for some style mockup by the great designer who joined us a few days ago) there will be more infos, and more room for questions. Now let us get back to work and do something productive for this project please.

2 weeks of work, < 5M each as visible on the block explorer. We didn't log our hours to give you details about how much time we spent on different tasks like planning, researching, programming, supporting and whatever else it needed to come to where we are now. And we won't do that in the future.

I agree with this too...

Its great to hear that MC has set up 10 nodes, thats 6.6k/day, 200k/month at current rates - nice stake.

Unfortunately tough statements / accusations often get met with tough response. Asking questions with attitude is also a problem.
Along with assumptions that because an answer is not given right away something unfair or wrong is going on which is all too common in this forum.
This fork, I note not 'clone' is a few weeks old - so some differences perhaps?
Essentially the coins are 'un-distributed', the idea as I understand from the posts is to distribute by bounty but what, when other than the node bounties seems unclear.
Maybe this was announced 'too early' but perhaps we should propose ideas in this thread rather than demand accountability for what has already happened.
I too have set up 5 nodes and am prepared to 'give this community the benefit of some time' to get organised, rather than have all the answers right away.

9307421903608128156 developer account (One uniq person)
10213479994452367692 developer account (One uniq person
446841167369702212 developer account ( One uniq person)
9473989027 founder account (distribution account)

If there are any movements of funds from the developer accounts the funds are still theirs. The reason for the movement has to do with forgeing and let community being able to forge more.

Now. This discussion is over for my part. God speed!

Hey,

it is time for all to calm down a little bit if we don't want to destroy this coin.

I really like the idea and want it to be a success.

@Devs: How do You like the following:

Add to the announcement a list of the developers with a short introduction, so erverybody knows who is in the team.
Add to the announcement a short table listing how much coins every developer has gotten, how much is planned for bounties and how much is reserved for expenses like hosting, promotion, etc. Surely the devs should have some coins for their effort!

If You do so, we will have much more transparency that is easy to access. Not everyone wants to use the block explorer to gain that information, this process leads to more questions from more people.

Its time to work together to make this coin a success !!!

Greetings,

Harri

Hi,

I'm interested in this coin so can you explain how you know NHZ is just a copy paste of NXT? Have you reviewed the code or have some information?

I take you at your word that these guys have taken 10M - isn't that 1% of the coins - is that a big problem for something that is worth nothing at the moment?

If they have automated the server bounties - why wouldn't they pay these out of one or more accounts, exchanges for example use multiple accounts routinely to avoid having too much in one place and subject to a hack and the account doing this would have to have its secret-phrase coded in the software.

From chatting to these guys on IRC - which is where they have invited people to come and chat they seem like a pretty talented bunch of tech guys - so don't expect them to be great as communication and therefore draw too many conclusions from how they say something...

Why not offer to do something for NHZ, get an offer of a bounty, if they don't come through  then I think you have a valid complaint.

[NHZ] is a fork of NXT - rock solid software which has been running for months....

We are concentrating on a better and fairer long-term distribution and adding new features!

The chaotic start was obvious. Why force us to do that statement? Well...

dude can you read?
the developer accounts are listed above. all other accounts are bounty accounts as already mentioned.
or people receiving bounties for translations, working on some code, design (biggest non-developer bounty so far), etc.
the extreme envy about amounts in the 100k range is... well.. childish.
no one gets a huge amount of coins for free
we won't release a list of known account holders. where would this lead?
seriously, calm the f* down.
there is still enough bounty for everyone to grab.

We know that we started this project a bit chaotic but we're certainly not a scam coin. We want this to be as fair as possible and stable for a long time (thus the node bounty).

Your attitudes have killed a good idea before it had time to work. Someone will do it properly very soon.

To all the people following NXT, if you are a developer, please reboot NHZ and do it properly. Use one account to pay all the nodes, and announce which accounts are developers right at the start. Don't leave it for people to ask questions and give them rude evasive answers. I had 10 nodes but not worth the effort with these guys. They will fail IMO because they don't understand how to build a community from unknown people. You need to be open and honest.

"A few million each". Still evading the question - use numbers, not all the dev accounts were the same amount. Why?.

The successful clone of your idea will specify exact amounts and justify why that is fair. IMO 1 million each up to a total of 10 Million for development & bounties & promotion is justifiable for a basic copy paste of NXT. If this sounds reasonable to any developers send me a PM.

These guys don't like questions. They could have easily made a proper announcement post that spelled everything out at the start.

The people behind NHZ don't like transparency, so they're probably not trustworthy. Too much competition for these guys to survive.

Wow, 10 MILLLION each? We didn't even take that much. Wow. And YOU complain?!

because some did more work than others. and you can look up the numbers yourself, right?

Link to #177: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551666.msg6068770#msg6068770

We're open to discuss the amount.

If you invest 20$ you get 40k in one month. I don't think you need a lot of time to maintain it, once set up it will run for months, except for occasional updates (where not all will be necessary on a server node). Estimating 40 minutes a month for those 40k seems pretty high to me.

Writing a good post or creating a guide easily takes one hour of time, probably more. Plus, it's of great value for the community to get people with those skills involved. Everyone here should be interested in good instructions and marketing, because it will raise interest, dispersion, and thus the value for all of us. And don't forget, a guide/post will be useful for a long time, a node is gone after the bounty was paid out.

Our calculation was the following: getting 10k for 5$ means if we give out 50k for one hour of work that's an hourly rate of about 25$. Add 10 minutes a month for maintaining the node, the rate for other work is ~30$/hour.
In my opinion that's quite low, but I'm very interested in why you think it would be too high and what you would propose instead.

The dev accounts have been mentioned before, we won't write our names behind them. Respect our wish for privacy. Yes, we got a few M each. We have been working hard on this, what did you do except browsing the block explorer we set up?