Do you or do you not believe the Snowden case is real?
I don't believe anything, so the answer to your question is "no", even if I thought it was real. I don't know anything about the guy personally, and I KNOW the media plain makes shit up, and I know that if he is all over the msm, it is because the powers that be want him to be on it, and that they are using the story to push an agenda. Pretty ironic that your sig is "GROUPTHINK kills braincells!!!!!!" |
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Edward Snowjob is just another government meme.
Any real leaker wouldn't be given mainstream media press coverage.
What? Why do you say that? Because ALL mainstream media is crafted to serve a purpose and 99% of it is complete made up bullshit - not biased covering of events, but complete fabrication. Most americans already know that the NSA can listen in whenever they want - nothing new has been revealed. So you think they fabricated a story about Snowden because you think they want America to think they can't trust their government? That sounds a little nuts. Um..no. Please try to avoid making strawman arguments. If you don't understand what a strawman is, it generally takes this form "So you think [inject something other person didn't say here], that's crazy!" What I think is that everyone already knows that the government spies on them, and no one trusts the government already. Pretty much every independent poll ever done on gov trust confirms that. Why this Snowden story? Not sure, but the folks over at the Daily Bell have some good guesses: https://www.thedailybell.com/29215/Edward-Snowden-Limited-Hangout-or-a-Globalist-Step-BackLet's speculate about the forces motivating a Snowden gambit. First of all, the surveillance state is so big that those behind its creation cannot deny it anymore. Second, it is has been exposed constantly by the alternative media, making mainstream media look even less credible than usual.
What to do? They used to call what is going on a "limited hangout." What we call the Internet Reformation has perhaps forced the hands of those behind the surveillance state. Under pressure to acknowledge what is clearly taking place, they have created a great and dramatic show.
How do you do something like that? With an argument. Creating the argument is simple enough, as is the solution. With so much information available on Intel spying, the powers-that-be have apparently decided it is time to create a public discourse. Thesis (there is surveillance state) plus anti-thesis (it shouldn't exist) yields to synthesis: Some of it is necessary. |
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Edward Snowjob is just another government meme.
Any real leaker wouldn't be given mainstream media press coverage.
What? Why do you say that? Because ALL mainstream media is crafted to serve a purpose and 99% of it is complete made up bullshit - not biased covering of events, but complete fabrication. Most americans already know that the NSA can listen in whenever they want - nothing new has been revealed. |
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Then you have aspects like the $10 Silver coin having about $6 worth of Silver at the time of minting. Everyone at every level got very large cuts of the profits. Ultimately it was unsuspecting consumers who got $6 in Silver instead of $10 in FRN.
That's a completely irrelevant argument. There is no such thing as circulating coinage that has a metal content equal to the face value. If it did, it wouldn't circulate for long as people will take them out of circulation for the melt value. .25 quarters contain only ~4 cents of metal .05 nickels contain only ~4 cents of metal .10 dimes = ~1.5 cents (about a 700% markup!) Pennies from 1982 and earlier are worth about 2 cents each, and are slowly being taken out of circulation exactly for that reason. Well at one time the dollar had "one dollar" (which is a unit of weight) of gold. It was either a dollars worth of gold in the coin itself or the paper note could be redeemed for a dollar. Liberty claimed selling point is that it was backed by silver. If it merely is a fiat currency sold over face value to the profit of issuers well in many respects it was worse than the federal reserve note. I think we can just agree to disagree. I read the states evidence and it is pretty damming. Ultimately that is why we have juries. Is it possible they had no intent to counterfeit (which doesn't mean produce an exact replica it means passing currency off as legal tender)? Certainly however looking at the evidence if I was on the jury I likely would have sided the same way. This will be my last post to avoid derailing this thread further. Feel free to have the last word .... you're still confused. "Dollars" today aren't "dollars" of 100 years ago. A "dollar" used to be defined as 371.25 grains of silver, now it has no meaning whatsoever. Silver dollars didn't even need a "face value" as they were what they were. And LDs were never "fiat", since they were never issued by the government. Please google "fiat - definition" to avoid being ignorant.Furthermore, my last post was about metal content of coins, and you brought up notes (you should google what a "note " is too) - which are a whole different thing. LD coins were the subject of the trial, not the warehouse receipts (LD didn't make "notes"). The coins weren't backed by silver - they WERE silver. The warehouse receipts were just what they said they were, and the government didn't even attempt to build a case around them, even though they stole the metals they represented. |
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Edward Snowjob is just another government meme.
Any real leaker wouldn't be given mainstream media press coverage.
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Then you have aspects like the $10 Silver coin having about $6 worth of Silver at the time of minting. Everyone at every level got very large cuts of the profits. Ultimately it was unsuspecting consumers who got $6 in Silver instead of $10 in FRN.
That's a completely irrelevant argument. There is no such thing as circulating coinage that has a metal content equal to the face value. If it did, it wouldn't circulate for long as people will take them out of circulation for the melt value. .25 quarters contain only ~4 cents of metal .05 nickels contain only ~4 cents of metal .10 dimes = ~1.5 cents (about a 700% markup!) Pennies from 1982 and earlier are worth about 2 cents each, and are slowly being taken out of circulation exactly for that reason. |
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As a former Liberty Dollar RCO, I can tell you that TECSHARE is 100% correct. Not only did Bernard and LD not violate any similitude laws, counterfeiting requires the INTENT to defraud the public. Bernard had hired a very well known attorney to make sure he WASN'T violating any similitude laws. So how can anyone say he intended to violate a law when he paid someone a ton of money to make sure he wasn't??
It took a completely bullshit stacked jury to twist around that simple logic. It remains as a great proof that there is absolutely NO justice whatsoever in federal courtrooms.
cryptoanarchist: How do you resolve what you said in this quote with the pictures in the previous post? Are you saying the pictures are fake? From those pictures and D&T's post it is OBVIOUS that there was an intent to defraud. Obvious? That is clearly just your opinion, because its not obvious to me. I don't think they look at all like US coinage, as evidenced by the website and 800 number on that. Are you saying that you've seen US coinage with a website URL on them? If you were going to convict someone based on opinions, then I guess you could go after Chuck E Cheese for their "dollars" as long as someone had the opinion they looked like US coinage. That's why there are similitude laws - to make the laws OBJECTIVE and NOT SUBJECTIVE. I'll restate what I said before: you can't claim that there was intent to counterfeit when you hired a lawyer to make sure you aren't violating similitude laws. Now, if someone else used them to pay a merchant that is expecting fiat, there may be an argument there, albeit a weak one as most store transactions lack a written contract and the person offering a LD could argue they were proposing new terms. On a personal note, BurtW, why are you so on the US government's nuts? Are you a cop or something? |
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I'll refine the question: Do you think we will be trading in the triple digits the next couple months?
Hard to say how much of the market cap is being held by large banks, so who really knows? If all the increases in BTC were real, than I'd say it was a sure thing and that we were headed towards $500, but given that the powers-that-be have a history of pump-and-dump in synch with their propaganda stories of "crashes" (think Alex Jones' day before prediction), you can't really tell. I save my speculation for trading btc<->ltc, and just keep buying btc regardless of price. |
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liberty dollar was a physical coin that was put into circulation as a counterfeit of a US dollar coin. it held the $ symbol etc which is trade marks of government.
Wrong. The $ sign is not a trademark of government..LMAO.....take a few moments to think about that before you make yourself sound galactically stupid again. |
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My main reason for prefer litecoin (or a faster coin) over bitcoin is simply the confirmation time. When I have to wait over an hour after a transaction is initiated in order to use that amount, it's simply impractical and completely unnecessary. litecoin takes much less time. (though something like worldcoin would be more ideal). Why wait an hour then? You are accepting less security just starting accepting Bitcoin with 2 confirmations. Tada 66% faster. I've waited for over an hour for 2 confirmations before. |
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Looks pretty strong for Colorado at the moment, and I can see why.
First off, it doesn't matter where you go in USSA, there is going to be oppressive government in one form or another. Like in AZ you have more gun rights, but you also have lots of checkpoints. In Colorado, you have less taxes, but you can get thrown in prison for open carrying in Denver. Six of one, half-dozen of the other as my grandmother used to say.
So I'm looking at a few other factors.
1. Low population - If 10,000 libertarians move to L.A., they aren't going to make a bit of difference surrounded by millions of dumbed down socialists. If 100 libertarians move to a tiny town like Ouray, CO (pop. ~1000), they will dramatically alter the town's demographics. 500 libertarians will completely take over the town.
2. Central to other population centers - We would need to make it as inviting as possible to the most amount of people. The shorter the move, the easier it is in most people's minds. If they can drive back to their city of origin in less than a day to visit friends and family, the more likely they are to move.
3. Self-Sufficient - I can't see how USSA is going to avoid dollar collapse and SHTF. It will happen eventually, and its not far off. In that case, we'd want to have access to natural resources and be able to survive without any outside help at all.
4. Employment opportunities - This sorta ties into #3, since as long as we have our own resources, there will always be jobs for anyone who moves there.
The San Juan mountains satisfy ALL of these conditions and is also one of the most beautiful places in the world.
Oh, and there is BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS, of dollars worth of gold and silver still in those mountains.
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If you want to know what their endgame for Bitcoin is, look at the history of the Liberty Dollar: DO NOT compare bitcoin with liberty dollar. the issue with liberty dollar was the fact that the metal coins were made to replicate a actual FIAT dollar coin. which comes under counterfeiting laws. bitcoin is not a counterfeit of FIAT. its a totally unrelated and new currency. (well the thailand authorities could take BTC symbol a bit personal. but its still not as bad as the liberty dollar) I have been following NORFED/Liberty Dollar since around 2006, and Liberty Dollars actually lead me to Bitcoin strangely enough. The entire reason NORFED was created was that it serves as a protest and alternative to the federal reserve. Why would a group protesting the federal reserve make currency intended to be copies of federal reserve notes? They wouldn't, and didn't. If you bother to look at the rounds Liberty Dollar issued, you would NEVER confuse them for federal reserve notes or coinage issued by the treasury. They operated in PUBLIC since 1998. Prosecutors hadn't noticed this until just recently? Does the treasury stamp coins with a website? Do they even make coinage that size? There are a lot of requirements of similitude in order for counterfeiting to be considered. Liberty Dollar did not meet these requirements. They were railroaded. This is a PERFECT example of how the "rule of law" only works for the status quo and the powers that be. Anyone who tries to change the system within the system better watch out, because they already slipped a noose around your neck, they are just waiting until they find undesirable but legal activity to pull the trap door out from under you and declare you a "criminal". We are all subject to this. As a former Liberty Dollar RCO, I can tell you that TECSHARE is 100% correct. Not only did Bernard and LD not violate any similitude laws, counterfeiting requires the INTENT to defraud the public. Bernard had hired a very well known attorney to make sure he WASN'T violating any similitude laws. So how can anyone say he intended to violate a law when he paid someone a ton of money to make sure he wasn't?? It took a completely bullshit stacked jury to twist around that simple logic. It remains as a great proof that there is absolutely NO justice whatsoever in federal courtrooms. |
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I for one will be writing letters to my elected representatives explaining why bitcoin is important to me as a Californian.
Begging for your freedom is a waste of time in America. They don't give a shit about you or why you think bitcoin is important. Wake up! You're a slave and don't even know it. Letters are more important than people realize. First of all, it is not uncommon for an aide to a politician to have very little knowledge on a subject. When they read the letters, it can inspire them. It doesn't always, but it can. These interns are often still at the psychological stage where they believe they are there for the good of the people and they can have an influence on the politician. Secondly, it is not uncommon for politicians to count letters received to see which issues are important to the people. You're naive. Tell you what - do what I did 10 years ago and start getting involved. Go and make your calls, knock on doors, get people to sign petitions, register people to vote, support candidates, yada yada yada... You need to get jaded in that shit first before you can understand that the America you were taught in school is essentially a pile of bullshit. You have no rights and no parasite in government is going to help you. |
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I for one will be writing letters to my elected representatives explaining why bitcoin is important to me as a Californian.
Begging for your freedom is a waste of time in America. They don't give a shit about you or why you think bitcoin is important. Wake up! You're a slave and don't even know it. |
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I've seen the posts by Finshaggy for his zeitgeist wet dream city, and the ridiculous "bitcoin island" thread and Seasteading.
ALL STUPID IDEAS
Why not do something that has already been working? The Free State Project in New Hampshire has made great gains in liberty in just a few short years, and there's no telling how much faster things can move with a healthy bitcoin economy thrown in the mix.
The problem for a lot of libertarian/anarchists with FSP, is that if you live in the southwest, the idea of moving to frigid NH is just not in the cards. Not only would NH weather be a downer for someone from Phoenix or LA, but the east coast culture is a lot different too (we're used to more attractive women than NH can offer, for instance).
The obvious choice for people wishing there was a place in the USSA to live in relative freedom, is to copy a proven formula, and the FSP is just that.
My question for the rest of you is "Where?"
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A lot of you guys on here are pretty naive.
TBF isn't under any sort of attack - they ARE the establishment. This is all just theater to establish some "street cred" for them.
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I cashed out from Mt. Gox (using bitcoins OFC) and fully moved to Bitinstant.
 that wasn't smart |
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Good. TBF isn't a money transmitter, but at least one of their members is (Charlie Shrem - bitinstant). I personally have no problem watching statists be the victims of statism.
If the board of TBF is sent to Guantanamo, it would be good for cryptocurrencies, but alas, its all just theater.
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Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
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