come on don't try to find new bagholders. this is vaporware at it's best, like XC. Still unbelievable how long it was possible to keep this brick above water  I'm sorry for all bagholders. People don't trust this dev and don't buy into this coin when the next ground breaking news promise stuff that will never be delivered also look at https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet - the dev now seems to try to update the README files to give the impression of active "development". vapor ware? the DX is on its 3rd major update, we have already done cross chain transactions using nlocktime, but we have refactored to support BIP65/cltv due to transaction malleability.. why don't you follow the link in the readme to see the actual updates of the dx? its all there in the repo The BIP65/CLTV based POC/Demo is launching this week. Need to post here regularly not just arrive with some snip of news after exchanges have delisted through lack of community and interest. This and XC has been the most disappointing on here. I have hardly any left of either of these thankfully. This thread is deprecated. We don't post here often. Despite this though, I posted some news this month on our new CLTV-based algo. Slack is active. Development is active. Markets are active, and until this news from Polo we've had months of steady baseline growth (plus the usual spikes of excitement). We're now on v.3 of live, working DX code. There is no possibility by which this can be called vaporware. Come and test it yourself. Polo's news is bizarre and, in my view misguided. We're approaching production release and have been working on some exciting consumer-focused partnerships in the background. I cannot announce anything at this stage but I expect to be able to very soon. Finally, BLOCK's price is tied intrinsically to the use of the DX. It's fundamentally not dependent on speculators on Polo. While I value Polo as a gateway, it's not part of our business model. End of statement. |
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UpdateOur updated algo, featuring enhanced security based on OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY, is ready for testing! Additionally, we're excited to feature Syscoin in our upcoming tests. atcsecure [4:33 PM]
the updated DX with native support for BIP65 with syscoin/btc trading will start testing this weekend
The interoperability story: due to the design of the Blocknet's "blockchain router," XBridge, it works out of the box with the vast majority of all blockchains, with no coding required. A little while ago Dan thought he'd spin up a Syscoin node and see whether he could place an order. It worked. Hurrah.
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whats the word on xc?? is that a dead project or is that still being worked on?
Dan said that project would not be abandoned when he started blocknet is that still the case? a lot of anon coins are really taking off and xc is just basically dead. That is a real slap in the face for all those that supported the coin. Surely something can be done to revive this?
XC is being worked on, and you can check out development in Slack. In a nutshell, the latest is that we're interested in off-chain blind transactions. It's a great method to achieve privacy, and can't be DOSed like coinjoin-based protocols. There's also a new XC thread on Bitcointalk, if that's your thing. |
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Do u have the exchange site?
BLOCK trades on Poloniex and Bittrex. You can trade using our decentralised exchange by: - downloading xbridgep2p - downloading the wallets you want as your trading pairs where is link to xbridge? shouldnt it be on OP?? Apologies for the delayed reply. Our home is on Slack, so I'm not here that often. You can download the current build of xbridge from http://blocknet.co(The OP is in need of an update, and you can expect that to happen in the near future, as we approach the first production release of our decentralised exchange tech.) |
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Update: I'll be appearing at an Ethereum meetup soon, to introduce the Blocknet and discuss technical challenges and solutions to decentralised exchange.
Details to follow.
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Will there be a roadmap?
Yes, in due course. It would feature milestones, not dates. |
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Having read your whitepaper, there's no question of your copying the Blocknet's technical approach. You're using DPoS and sidechains/sharding; we're using an inter-chain network overlay, a blockchain router, p2p messaging and atomic protocols. However, when it comes to how you represent/market yourselves, there's a striking similarity in both concept and wording. Consider, for example, the third paragraph of your whitepaper: this echoes, almost verbatim, the following: - a sentence in the second paragraph of our last blog post- a sentence in our last radio interview- many other instances, over the course of at least the past year, in which we've described our goal as preserving the security properties of blockchains in inter-chain scenarios. Can you please paste the sentence from the second paragraph of your last blog post that you find strikingly similar? I just want to make sure we're talking about the same parts. Sure: "The Blocknet is an inter-blockchain application platform, devoted to creating solutions to inter-chain interoperability without sacrificing the security properties of blockchains." I can't - and I'm not trying to - stop you from using "internet of blockchains" or phrases about "preserving security properties."
I'm not accusing you of plagiarism either.
But I request, as a matter of prior art, that you both (a) find equivalent but different ways of describing your project, and (b) that consider acknowledging - where relevant - that we precede you in pursuing the vision of inter-chain interoperability and were the first in carving out the concepts that you've arrived at.
I have no qualms changing the phrase. "Network of blockchains"? We'll take that then  Nice one. Sounds good :-) I didn't pursue any vision of blockchains until early 2014. Well, even before then, if you count the fact that since 2013 I had developed exchange software for a crypto-crypto exchange to compete with Cryptsy. I abandoned that ( https://github.com/jaekwon/ftnox-backend) and started working on Tendermint because it is what enables secure PoS. And we have to get away from PoW in order for the security of many chains to be independent of each other. http://tendermint.com/blog/security-of-cryptocurrency-protocols/Looking at BlockNet's vision, it seems like we're fully aligned. We're not even competing, we're both developing toward a shared system from different angles. To call us plagiarizing is a stretch... we've created and proposed solutions to longstanding problems in the crypto space. Absolutely. I'm explicitly not accusing you of plagiarism. Here, I've changed our tagline. We'll update them on our website too. I acknowledge that jl777 has had great ideas, inevitable ideas. I'd like for us to take part in the journey. The internet of blockchains will not be centralized, or hierarchical. Like the WorldWideWeb that preceded it, it is connected in every possible way.
Onward to a decentralised internet! For the record though, jl777 has nothing to do with the Blocknet. He's behind that SuperNET thing, right? Anyway, yes, it's great that there are a few projects working toward "web 3.0". All the best with the project, Arlyn |
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Did cosmos really fork it?
Cosmos might kill this if they are really trying to raise 9m in 42 days.
Have you seen what some of the recent ICO's have raised?
If they forked it yall need to get the word out. Cause if they raise 9m.
Well that's hard competition.
Did cosmos really fork block net?
No. Details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1607111.msg16459808#msg16459808 |
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Wow what a rip off of Blocknet. Even using the same tag line: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.0
"the internet of blockchains". They even quote one of the Blocknet devs directly: "An ideal solution is one that allows multiple parallel blockchains to interoperate while retaining their security properties" Shameless. Those are my words. You'll have to post the Blocknet dev's words so we can compare the meaning behind them. But if we're speaking of ideals, and these ideals are true, then it's not surprising that two different people describe the same thing. By "retaining their security properties", I mean PoS allows you to do this. Not so with a network of PoW chains, where the miners can be bribed on a whim. Our proposed solution to that problem is BFT PoS, a constitution, and a governance system to amend the constitution. Hey hey Thanks for the response. I tweeted at you guys several times about this, to no avail. Glad to see you're around. To be clear (to all reading), I'm not accusing you of plagiarism or of copying our code. I'm just engaging you in conversation. Having read your whitepaper, there's no question of your copying the Blocknet's technical approach. You're using DPoS and sidechains/sharding; we're using an inter-chain network overlay, a blockchain router, p2p messaging and atomic protocols. However, when it comes to how you represent/market yourselves, there's a striking similarity in both concept and wording. Consider, for example, the third paragraph of your whitepaper: this echoes, almost verbatim, the following: - a sentence in the second paragraph of our last blog post- a sentence in our last radio interview- many other instances, over the course of at least the past year, in which we've described our goal as preserving the security properties of blockchains in inter-chain scenarios. The other, more obvious similarity (note I'm intentionally not using the accusatory word "copying"), is "internet of blockchains." That's effectively our slogan or descriptive title. It's been that for the past two years. If there are two "reserved terms" I'd like not to be used for other projects, they would be - internet of blockchains - blockchain router I can't - and I'm not trying to - stop you from using "internet of blockchains" or phrases about "preserving security properties." I'm not accusing you of plagiarism either. But I request, as a matter of prior art, that you both (a) find equivalent but different ways of describing your project, and (b) that consider acknowledging - where relevant - that we precede you in pursuing the vision of inter-chain interoperability and were the first in carving out the concepts that you've arrived at. Cheers Arlyn |
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Do u have the exchange site?
BLOCK trades on Poloniex and Bittrex. You can trade using our decentralised exchange by: - downloading xbridgep2p - downloading the wallets you want as your trading pairs |
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Discussed in Slack: atcsecure [1:04 PM] the BIP65 implementation that is happening now is a major milestone atcsecure [2:28 PM] here is the new algo we are switching to [2:28] Steps
Step1.
Initiator creates secret X, and hashes it to create H(X). Initiator also creates public private key pair (pubkey i1,i2 / privkey i2,i2). Responder creates public private key pair (pubkey r1,r2 / privkey r1,r2).
Step 2.
Initiator shares H(X) and pubkey i2 with responder. Responder shares pubkey r1 with intiator.
Step 3.
Initiator creates TxAb. TxAb can be redeemed after time T2 with privkey i1. At any time TxAb can redeemed with signature from privkey r1 and reveal of secret X. Initiator broadcasts TxAb onto the network.
Step 4.
Responder confirms TxAb. Responder creates TxBb. TxBb can be redeemed after T1 time with privkey r2. At any time TxBb can be redeemed with signature fom privkey i2 and reveal of secret X. Responder broadcasts TxBb onto the network.
Step 5.
Initiator creates TxBp which spends TxBb using privkey i2 and secret X. With the revealed secret, responder can create TxAp which spends TxAb with privkey r1 and secret X.
Notes
If initiator fails to broadcast TxAb in step 3, the exchange has failed and no steps need to be taken by the responder.
If responder fails to broadcast TxBb in step 4, initiator can create refund transaction TxAr which redeems TxAb after time T2 using privkey i1.
If initiator fails to spend TxBb on step 5 before time T1, responder can create refund transaction TxBr after time T1 using privkey r2. If responder fails to spend TxAb before time T2, initiator can use TxAr to get refund from TxAb.
[2:31] Also along side this change, an interesting topic has come up… and as part of the collateral system (which prevents spam/dos) we are looking at requiring the use of block on each DX as a collateral ( it would be transparent to the user, but you must run and hold block in the wallet to cover the collateral on the DX TX, the amount would be small but based on a % of the DX TX coin) [2:31] @here thoughts on this requirement? Discuss in Slack: http://blocknet.herokuapp.com |
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Glad to see recent news about XC. Thanks guys for the work and not dropping everything. Still holding, still at loss, but I keep the hope it will go up. Especially watching the work done around BLOCK. Problem: I can't join Slack nor can I log on XC website. - Subscription on xcurrency.slack.com are limited to 3 email provider. Can't even create new address on those so I'm stuck out. I did not manage to get an invite. - Also, subscription on xcurrency.co is buggy. Creating a new account give me: "Unable to send e-mail. Contact the site administrator if the problem persists." - On xcurrency.com New account I get: The name panonym is already taken. The e-mail address panonym[[at}}ymail.com is already registered. If I put the password I remember: "The username panonym has not been activated or is blocked." When I ask a new password: "Sorry, panonym[[at}}ymail.com is not recognized as a user name or an e-mail address." Gonna try to move these XC to cold storage. 'About time  Cool, DM me the email address you want invited to Slack. We can figure it out. |
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Thank you very much for the update, synechist. Are there plans to do, say, a monthly update on this thread?
Only a pleasure :-) I think we'll update this thread whenever there's news. |
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Just found this new thread thanks to xcurry's post in the Blocknet thread. Good to know XCurrency is still alive and kicking. Thanks xcurry! Since I'm not on slack I haven't been able to find any info about this coin since around 2 years ago, as the thread and website went defunct...so I am just wondering what's been happening and where it's at today. When I was last following it, version 3.0 was around the corner, and it was still closed source and therefore not trustless...and I think there was an android phone wallet app in the works. So I'm just gonna throw a few questions out there and if anyone can help get me up to speed that would be awesome! What version is XCurrency on now, and is the current version open source? How does the anonymity compare to say XMR or SDC...or even a BTC mixing service given advanced blockchain analytics? I know DASH relies on trusting masternodes so it is not trustless. Is the p2p encrypted messaging also trustless and open source? Any news on the mobile wallet? Also regarding Blocknet...can an Ethereum smart contract interface with the decentralized exchange? For example: Could a smart contract be created where someone could send Ethereum to it which would then be exchanged for a different coin and sent anonymously to a different user? Also just a heads up: The block explorer at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/ says the hosting has expired, and the twitter account points to http://ww12.xc-official.com/ rather than www.xcurrency.coHey hey. Apologies for the delayed reply. Yes, XC was open sourced about a year ago. Check out ATCsecure's GitHub repo. The anonymity claims we made about XC back in 2014 still stand: - https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/xcurrencys-new-trustless-ad-hoc-mesh-network-1410955212- https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/introducing-xmixer-earn-revenue-xcurrencys-trustless-mixing-1410910372I think it's an epic anonymity solution, and the first ever coinshuffle implementation too. The contractor we got to do the mobile wallet did nothing worth keeping. Regarding the Blocknet and Ethereum, yes, they're interoperable, and we're currently testing our implementation before making it generally available. Currently, you can exchange tokens to send to Ethereum contracts. Generic service delivery (e.g. coins plus data) is not available yet though. There's a tempting use-case for XC in the form of a BTC mixer dapp. It would contain: - a BTC SPV wallet - an XC SPV wallet - xbridge (from the Blocknet) It would first trade BTC for XC via the decentralised exchange, then it would anonymise the XC, and then exchange back to BTC. Kind-of perfect as a tech demo. |
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And of course Blocknet decentralized exchange !
Maybe its me being noob , but where can i find the decentralized exchange ? ( i know its everywhere but i mean an access to it ) I looked in my wallet ( v. 1.1.1.3 ) but nothing there. What am i missing ? We have a user guide for the decentralised exchange! It was created by the community. Special thanks to @aderks for leading the initiative. It'll be progressively updated as we go. Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWmeD86mvzM1gG-g3_i0_TApjAnmzbUefhEXGYKRqYc/edit?usp=sharingWow very cool ! i will try it soon when i am more awake. Unfortunately the author didn't provide an 'overview' so its kinda overwhelming at first for non-techies. But basically as i understand it, every bitcoin-type wallet has RPC, which means that these wallets can be accessed by a program from the backside. in case of blocknet this program is xbridgep2p. This program then makes the connection to your wallets, and enables you to 'advertize' a trade offer on the blocknet. is this correct ? Yup, that's the gist of it. xbridgep2p provides the following components: - DHT network overlay - end-to-end encrypted p2p messaging protocol - coin exchange protocol For decentralised exchange, it functions to - broadcast orders - compile an order book - match orders - instruct your wallets to follow the steps of the coin exchange protocol - check that the counterparty plays by the rules of the coin exchange protocol Great work. Now as trader, i like to see charts of course. As a suggestion, you should make an API for the guys at coinigy, this is a 3rd party platform that accesses different exchanges to trade. Instant visuals Yes, thanks, great suggestion. How about just integrating TradingView? After all, this is a decentralised exchange, so it's not especially useful to get data from Coinigy about centralised exchanges. I've been thinking a little further about Coinigy. We'd have to do the following: - convince them to run xbridgep2p and a bunch of wallets - convince them to pull the order book data out of xbridgep2p - convince them to generate charts, etc. from the data - hit Coinigy's API from each trader's local dapp, in order to plug into Coinigy to get the data - keep trading an entirely local (decentralised) phenomenon, as it currently is - get our dapp to load the Coinigy page, in an entirely integrated way, so that traders can use our DX and whichever centralised exchanges they want to, with no friction. Basically I'd want to keep Coinigy on the edge of the network. Which is complicated, but doable. Probably a massively expensive idea to attempt. :-) |
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And of course Blocknet decentralized exchange !
Maybe its me being noob , but where can i find the decentralized exchange ? ( i know its everywhere but i mean an access to it ) I looked in my wallet ( v. 1.1.1.3 ) but nothing there. What am i missing ? We have a user guide for the decentralised exchange! It was created by the community. Special thanks to @aderks for leading the initiative. It'll be progressively updated as we go. Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWmeD86mvzM1gG-g3_i0_TApjAnmzbUefhEXGYKRqYc/edit?usp=sharingWow very cool ! i will try it soon when i am more awake. Unfortunately the author didn't provide an 'overview' so its kinda overwhelming at first for non-techies. But basically as i understand it, every bitcoin-type wallet has RPC, which means that these wallets can be accessed by a program from the backside. in case of blocknet this program is xbridgep2p. This program then makes the connection to your wallets, and enables you to 'advertize' a trade offer on the blocknet. is this correct ? Yup, that's the gist of it. xbridgep2p provides the following components: - DHT network overlay - end-to-end encrypted p2p messaging protocol - coin exchange protocol For decentralised exchange, it functions to - broadcast orders - compile an order book - match orders - instruct your wallets to follow the steps of the coin exchange protocol - check that the counterparty plays by the rules of the coin exchange protocol Great work. Now as trader, i like to see charts of course. As a suggestion, you should make an API for the guys at coinigy, this is a 3rd party platform that accesses different exchanges to trade. Instant visuals Yes, thanks, great suggestion. How about just integrating TradingView? After all, this is a decentralised exchange, so it's not especially useful to get data from Coinigy about centralised exchanges. |
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And of course Blocknet decentralized exchange !
Maybe its me being noob , but where can i find the decentralized exchange ? ( i know its everywhere but i mean an access to it ) I looked in my wallet ( v. 1.1.1.3 ) but nothing there. What am i missing ? We have a user guide for the decentralised exchange! It was created by the community. Special thanks to @aderks for leading the initiative. It'll be progressively updated as we go. Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWmeD86mvzM1gG-g3_i0_TApjAnmzbUefhEXGYKRqYc/edit?usp=sharingWow very cool ! i will try it soon when i am more awake. Unfortunately the author didn't provide an 'overview' so its kinda overwhelming at first for non-techies. But basically as i understand it, every bitcoin-type wallet has RPC, which means that these wallets can be accessed by a program from the backside. in case of blocknet this program is xbridgep2p. This program then makes the connection to your wallets, and enables you to 'advertize' a trade offer on the blocknet. is this correct ? Yup, that's the gist of it. xbridgep2p provides the following components: - DHT network overlay - end-to-end encrypted p2p messaging protocol - coin exchange protocol For decentralised exchange, it functions to - broadcast orders - compile an order book - match orders - instruct your wallets to follow the steps of the coin exchange protocol - check that the counterparty plays by the rules of the coin exchange protocol |
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And of course Blocknet decentralized exchange !
Maybe its me being noob , but where can i find the decentralized exchange ? ( i know its everywhere but i mean an access to it ) I looked in my wallet ( v. 1.1.1.3 ) but nothing there. What am i missing ? We have a user guide for the decentralised exchange! It was created by the community. Special thanks to @aderks for leading the initiative. It'll be progressively updated as we go. Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWmeD86mvzM1gG-g3_i0_TApjAnmzbUefhEXGYKRqYc/edit?usp=sharing |
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is there documentation on this xbridge tech and how it works?
i only noticed the coin b/c of the pump on polo and then see this claim of cross-chain p2p, I'm like how the fuck did I miss this lol
do not take it seriously. it is simply pumped for no reason. i'm just more interested in learning about how the tech works, if it does work securely Thanks for being interested. :-) We're currently working on a full spec of the design. In the meantime, you're very welcome to chat to us in Slack, were we'd be happy to delve into the details in conversation. Regarding the current pump, I must admit that we were surprised that the market (a) took 2 years to notice us, and (b) didn't wait for either the documentation or the production release. My takeaway on it: we now get to take a far broader group of people on the journey with us. Plus, it's now easier to fund development. so i can trade for example my btc for someone else's eth with this without using an exchange? Yes. You keep your coins locally, configure the APIs of whatever coins' wallets you want to trade with, and just go for it. There's no central entity that adds trading pairs, no central order book, no central order matching system, and of course no central coin exchange system. I re-posted a how-to guide a few posts back if you want to try it out. Otherwise join Slack - we have a new build currently being debugged, which we'll be testing publicly. Hopefully that'll be on Wed or Thur. |
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is there documentation on this xbridge tech and how it works?
i only noticed the coin b/c of the pump on polo and then see this claim of cross-chain p2p, I'm like how the fuck did I miss this lol
do not take it seriously. it is simply pumped for no reason. i'm just more interested in learning about how the tech works, if it does work securely Thanks for being interested. :-) We're currently working on a full spec of the design. In the meantime, you're very welcome to chat to us in Slack, were we'd be happy to delve into the details in conversation. Regarding the current pump, I must admit that we were surprised that the market (a) took 2 years to notice us, and (b) didn't wait for either the documentation or the production release. My takeaway on it: we now get to take a far broader group of people on the journey with us. Plus, it's now easier to fund development. |
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