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161  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 06:05:03 PM
Why the hell should I, a person who uses US central time, make a guess based upon GMT?

While you are clearly the most important center of the world, you are not the entirety of the internet.

For example, by law in the UK (Interpretation Act 1978, section 9) whenever an expression of time occurs in an act, deed, or other instrument, the time referred to shall be held to be Greenwich mean time.

It should be noted that the standard time 'zone' of the internet is UTC - nearly but not unambiguously synonymous with GMT. Furthermore 19/12/11 is an ambiguous dyslexic notation, to be replaced with international standard (ISO 8601), such as 2011-12-19.
162  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: December 21, 2011, 05:40:05 PM
I do think the wallet encryption is a waste of effort.  But a side benefit is that the design of bitcoind has been pushed toward supporting addresses it thinks are "mine" without needing to know the actual private key.  That has some good use cases.

That notion of 'mine' can and should be part of the wallet (or in that tier) not twisted up in the public global data model.


I do think the local blockchain and wallet should be completely independent.  However, this index, if added, would put bitcoind within reach of offering features where someone can implement their own wallet on top of bitcoind.  The built-in wallet, in such a case, could be completely ignored.  If this index gets built, bitcoind could easily support a "give me all unspent tx's for these addresses" RPC command, which would make a third-party wallet app on top of bitcoind much more feasible.  Another RPC command to dump a transaction to the P2P network, and a way to get notifications/callbacks of incoming transactions/blocks would seal the deal.

tl;dr: many of the built-in features are far from the best implementation, but given this index and a few other trivial RPC commands, those built-in features can be ignored, replaced, and left for deprecation.

Is there a thread discussing modularization of the Satoshi client? I think a lot of people have simply focused their attention away to alternatives: libbitcoin, node.js bitcoinjs, and various web clients.


I agree regarding Firstbits.  I think it'd be great to see it in a 3rd-party client, but I don't think it should be placed in the standard client yet.  Although, just FYI, the algorithm has stayed exactly the same since Firstbits was released.  It's just, no one except myself knew how it worked with collisions in the same block when that question arose.

I'd like to see a discussion started though. I think awareness of firstbits needs to increase. I introduced a few developers who seemed surprised but immediately interested. As for collisions in the block, I thought they were first ordered within the block and then later assumed to be simultaneous within the block. There was a slight word-change to the algorithm, at least enough that someone had to make a change (maybe puik or genjix?).
163  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 21, 2011, 08:40:39 AM
Would the younger generation recognize the old PСФСР flag?


Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Российская Советская Федеративная Социалистическая Республика
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term market reversal? on: December 21, 2011, 07:59:59 AM
Proudhon, I bet you 50 Bitcoins that the price doesn't dip below $2 in the next 2 weeks.

lol I thought you (who?) had something worked out with Proudhon and were offering it to S3052... Sad

This thread has some serious pronoun issues. Who and to whom about what are we talking about?
165  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: MerkleWeb - statistical Godel-like secure-but-not-perfect global Turing Machine on: December 21, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Like quantum physics, there is no concept of "local" in MerkleWeb. Each MerkleWeb network acts as 1 computer which many people and other technology can use at the same time.

As long as we are not using quantum computers, data is stored (or its XOR RAID-5 like difference can be calculated from data stored) somewhere, no? If enough data is missing (if enough RAID-5 disks catch on fire) is the entire address space corrupted?


The rules of any specific MerkleWeb network could be set up to allow deletions.

Merkle-tree-pruning, yes. But if some code today addresses data that later 'disappears', doesn't the result of the computation become invalidated (not possible to be validated) at some point in the future?


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How could we address the 'latest' version of some material? (I assume data does not change in time and space)

... There's many ways to do it. Can anyone offer some ideas?

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What prevents MerkleWeb from becoming primarily a global public copy-on-write versioned filesystem? Could that swamp the benefits or would it only make the network more robust?

... (SVN) acts like a copy-on-write versioned filesystem but does it much more efficiently by only storing the changes and a little extra information for how to assemble all the changes into whole

If every address bit is { 1 | 0 | null }, then like SVN, ZFS, Btrfs, CoW, every bit in time is a cumulative difference of all historical changes from its preceding past, then 'now' is the same as TIME = ( MAX_64_BIT_INT - 1 ). I don't think this will scale at all, but it's theoretically solid.


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addressing the full 128-bit address space would require more energy than required to boil the oceans.

I would not think that the hash space should impact your address space size. I should think 128-bit address in 128-bit time is sufficient for binary bits (not quibits) during the lifetime of humans on Earth.


I find the idea impressive, but I don't think it will actually work. ... Even with the incredible compression you expect to achieve, I doubt a global turing machine will need less than 2000 transactions per second. ... (such as generating vanity bitcoin addresses) will be possible without Fully Homomorphic encryption.

Some types of verified work, particularly when you wish to keep secrets from the worker, may require cutting edge encryption, but I would think most repetitive tasks can be verified through random reprocessing checks.

Many of BenRayfield's abstractions are beyond me, though fascinating. As far as I am concerned, a truly distributed generic computer(s) is very useful and would work. It would be very nice to be able to store data in the network (unlocked by local private keys) as well as distribute processing and pay only for cycles used. In fact, the user of services, rather than the producer of services, may actually pay.

I would be more than willing to offer my local processing time, storage space, and bandwidth in exchange for credits for future distributed computation, storage, and bandwidth. I don't particularly care if those data and services are within one single MerkleWeb, or one of numerous addressible distributed grid computers. Those credits could either replace bitcoin, give it inherent value, or compliment bitcoin nicely.
166  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA, land of the "free" on: December 21, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
That's pretty funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWeF6lwg4aY (part 1)
4:10 permit for videos? Is there such a law in the States?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSAs-3AJgI (part 2)
167  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 21, 2011, 04:57:02 AM


Русский: Флаг Российской СФСР, 1937-1954 гг.
Suomi: Venäjän SFT:n lippu, 1937-1954
Українська: Прапор Російської РФСР, 1937-1954 рр.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Russian_SFSR_1937-1954.svg
168  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 21, 2011, 04:48:50 AM


Not particularly relevant to Russian protests, but, this is my line of thinking.
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: This chart illustrates why this is III and not a 3-3-5 on: December 21, 2011, 04:03:14 AM
Are 3-3-5s really this huge?  Look at that RSI, above 70 for the first time in 6 months.  The other "rallies" on the way down pale in comparison with this one.

You're referring to the a 3-3-5 flat within the correction? There is no doubt this month's impulse broke the channel in November. That's plain as day. But that alone says nothing about the possible correction since 19 October. With no other indicators, you must wait for the III.ii correction to confirm or deny III.i.

III.ii should correct to roughly III.i.4 ($3) before continuing strongly up III.iii.

II.correction should drop below $2.

Anything else is purgatory.
170  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: December 21, 2011, 03:45:56 AM
Independence of concerns would go a long way to accelerate development and experimentation. Personally, I'd like to host the bitcoind south of the polar circle, pay someone for the service, or more trivially have a single standard bitcoind on a shared host (/var). A lot of the web clients and mobile apps seem to be recreating a wheel that shouldn't have needed to be recreated. If the blockchain and index is too big, slow, or bandwidth too expensive, then we should outsource the responsibility.
171  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Sweep/import private key feature request on: December 21, 2011, 02:59:35 AM
From a merchant's perspective is there any difference between these scenarios?:

1) customer sends bitcoin from a Green address; merchant can see the unconfirmed transaction in the aether.

2) customer gives private key to merchant who then sweeps and transfers coins and can see the unconfirmed transaction in the aether.
172  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: December 21, 2011, 02:31:24 AM
Firstbits are incredibly useful, but I think it should see more side adoption. There have already been a few minor tweaks to the algorithm (like collision handling within the same block).

As for the index, 4 bytes, 5, whatever, it should be possible to calculate the optimal radix-prefix periodically. I just can't imagine the index is a significant portion of the blockchain (before merkle tree pruning). But it's absence has philosophical consequences.

I think private key import is cool, but my consistent drum beating (from the side-lines) is for simplification, transparency, and modularization. I believe bitcoin could have been a lot further along if the core did not attempt to protect users, the wallet was plain text, the local blockchain and wallet were completely independent, and generally more hacker-friendly ... is the opaque nature of the bitcoin client a matter of different philosophies (monolithic GUI vs. Unix utilities), or the evolutionary consequence of man-decades of work and discussion over performance, scalability, and usability?
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term market reversal? on: December 21, 2011, 02:18:53 AM
I don't think that's a fair bet. It's like asking the bulls to bet that the price rises above $8 in the next two weeks. You also win if there's no movement at all. Perhaps add the option of a draw, suggest less than $3 vs. above $5?

* unless... did someone already made that claim (<$2 in 2 weeks)?
174  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 21, 2011, 02:11:23 AM
I only mean for the shock value. I think the "B" could nicely replace the circular Pepsi logo, the Hammer and Sickle, the Swastika, sign of the beast, the flag of India, Japan, Greenland, North and South Korea, the Rotary Club, the dead faces on the US dollar, the rabbit in the moon, the guiding stars and halos over christ in a manger, AT&T, the EU stars, Master-Card, LG, Nasa, GE, sideways to replace the McDonald's arches, the ankh, yin-yang, notes on music sheets, ...
175  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 20, 2011, 11:12:24 PM
For controversial impact...



...these motifs could be merged.
176  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: December 20, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
160 000 blocks with 100 addresses of 33 byte each is half a gigabyte. Surely 'not indexing' would have been an optimization unnecessary for beta software?

... or was it believed that a malicious node could flood everyone's hard drive with minimal cost? ...or?
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term market reversal? on: December 20, 2011, 10:42:00 PM
Anyone looking for seasonal patterns must study mid October: a clear motive (zig-zag) through the end of the month, followed by a messy bounce down, and a clear impulsive wave up since mid November.

The optimistic view might label November as a failed fifth wave, followed by a strong reversal. I really 'want' that to be true, but I'm afraid it's not honest. It's a pretty clear 3-3-5 flat correction signaling 'more of the same' since June. Further more $0.6-$1.1 is suggested by the March fourth wave.

As of this morning, I have no strong position, and await better signals.

178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term market reversal? on: December 20, 2011, 06:51:28 PM
Bitcoin is likely to correct to the suggestive iv fourth wave price range of three weeks ago. It is the motion from that ~$3 range that distinguishes 'more of the same' from 'yearly reversal'.
179  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: December 20, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
But how does the local blockchain work if the addresses are not already indexed? I understand the client/wallet only keeps record of its own addresses and linked transactions, but... really? I should think that firstbits (or first ~48 bits) would make an excellent Primary key (with a highly unlikely collision list). How much extra data would such an address index require? Wouldn't that greatly simplifying and modularize the design?
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Kim Jong Il is dead. Will it have an impact on BTC prices? on: December 20, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
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