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1101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
FUUUU Prices are falling like a stone in the water


Sub 200 this time?

I doubt it.

For a few months this has turned into a pump dump pump dump never ending story.


As I was saying , we'll go back up from here Smiley 220 here we come

Holding this level would mean we retest 300 again. See how many shorts fold now.
1102  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 04:34:08 PM


Nothing to see here. Look this is an entirely natural decline. Bitcoin only goes down because line on a chart points..oh shit.
1103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
Since everyone are short again (almost 32k shorts on finex) I guess it is time to place long position. 215$ looks like a good price... at least last time it was  Grin

Major support has been broken

keep that in mind



I don't really look at support levels and so... Bitstamp ask side is empty, ask walls on Bitfinex are there only to force other traders, who believes this is end of bitcoin, sell/short this thing.
I'm not saying we can't go lower, but I believe we can see a bounce to 230$. Wink


Btc is massively oversold, over shorted, full of 'cant lose' twenty somethings betting on leverage from college. The next move should be spectacular.
1104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Shorts on Bitfinex at a all time high! on: April 26, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
Miners haven't been mining at such great loss for a long time, so they hold or they short. Most of them are smart and know the market is collapsing, so they short, causing more pressure for the market to go down, causing them to have to short more, causing more pressure. See this market CAN only crash, there isn't even potential to go up.

Hedging mining supply is one thing. Destroying the market value of the commodity you produce is quite another. You don't hedge your supply by market selling 8000 coins into the orderbooks on an exchange.
1105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Shorts on Bitfinex at a all time high! on: April 26, 2015, 03:19:01 PM
I wouldn't be. Long swaps well below the ATH from 2014, whilst shorts are breaking new highs chasing diminishing gains.

This is all just noise until the whales going long let the elastic band go and retail shorters learn why shorting a hypervolatile commodity is a seriously stupid idea.
But long swaps are holding stable while we're grinding lower. While during previous dumps they tended to decrease significantly towards the end of the dump.

I'm not sure how it's important, but the lower we go, the drier are bids (in dollars). So it's making me cautios.

Yep - bitcoin could crash and smash the previous low as it craters.

But if bitcoin doesn't crash and instead holds its ground then those 32000 btc need to be bought back and will probably fuel the fire that ignites us breaking the downtrend over the next few weeks/months technically. I can see a situation where bitcoin rises 100% in a single day off the back of some newsflow (probably ETF or wall street related) due to a combination of shorts closing or getting margin called as big bids start rolling in pushing the price up relentlessly.

In retrospect it will be obvious that dreaming for single and double digit bitcoins was nonsense. That the market was massively oversold, massively over shorted after a year long bear market and was due a big snap back to reality.
1106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 02:45:37 PM
Ask side orderbook looking pretty empty.  Shorts at all time highs. Bears crowing the end is nigh.

If we breach 210 I will move my buy target down to 160. But if we bounce off here then we just put in a higher low and next stop 300 IMO (with a solid floor in the low 200's to base from for the rest of the year.

Probably a good place to accumulate for the medium term.
1107  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 02:30:57 PM
stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg

I am struggling to see your discussion about the orderbooks or price action in this post which started this all off.
1108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
Holders are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else.

But you shouldn't, because your prejudged decision doesn't require any debate of any kind, in contrary to other people who debate their decisions. This is why your posts read like a broken record and that's why you should stop posting.

Stop trying to stifle debate. It's pathetic.

1109  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg

Two points:
1) You've been wrong about bitcoin for years.
2) Holding bitcoin is a pure form of speculation.




1) No, but feel free to skim through 8k posts to nit-pick something I posted years ago out of context
2) Fine then do that and shut up about it.

Watching the football and I can't be arsed to pick through 8k posts of negative crap from when btc was in single digits to prove my point.

Holders are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else.
1110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg

Two points:
1) You've been wrong about bitcoin for years.
2) Holding bitcoin is a pure form of speculation.


1111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 12:55:27 PM
Good good....

Despair...  

You know the age old adage right.
I heard the beanie babies market is in despair too. Investors are losing hope. Should I buy?

If it stops you boring the hell out of everyone here then sure.

1112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Shorts on Bitfinex at a all time high! on: April 26, 2015, 11:08:47 AM


yet another ATH in BTC swaps.

I'm still flabbergasted by the amount of USD swaps, though. It's still roughly 4-5 times higher than the BTC ones.


I wouldn't be. Long swaps well below the ATH from 2014, whilst shorts are breaking new highs chasing diminishing gains.

This is all just noise until the whales going long let the elastic band go and retail shorters learn why shorting a hypervolatile commodity is a seriously stupid idea.
1113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
I guess someone just had to sell 8k coins last night. Lol.

1114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Shorts on Bitfinex at a all time high! on: April 25, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Or not a real trading account..
1115  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is not an indicator for the real sentiment anymore. on: April 25, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
If this is maturity then gawd help us. I think 'dead' is a more appropriate piece of terminology to use.

It's not being used by 'real' people in anything but piffling numbers and the speculators have probably been reduced to a bunch of die hards who'll never leave.

That's not a platform for healthy growth. It would be better to fall further and to be discovered by a new wave of genuine humans.  

Hyperbole much?

All it takes to bring new users and further adoption to btc is a rising price. If you don't think this bear market hasnt been engineered by a small number of heavy speculators then you are unlikely to see the next spark until the price unexpectedly breaks the downtrend line in the coming three months (on massive volume, ostensibly linked to some newsflow).

The same lemmings that are short selling bitcoin now (and who don't get burnt in the turn) will buy the price back up with the same vigour they are selling it.
1116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
Why you get-rich-quick-hipsters don't buy more bitcoins? We need a bigger bull trap.

they don't have any usd left

Yap yap.

Some of us have plenty, thanks.
1117  Economy / Speculation / Re: oscillating pattern says we leave $200 1 june on: April 24, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
We will be under $100 way before 1st of July..
Pressure is building up really strong.. upcoming crash is going to be devastating.

Riiiight.

Isn't it time for another Kwukduck failed doomer prediction thread?

1118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2015, 06:04:58 PM
If I understand your philosophy re: Bitcoin, there is only 'the worst':  Either Bitcoin will fail on its own defects, or some government(s) will destroy it, if it works as designed.  Is that a fair summation of your position?

As it says in my signature, I cannot imagine a plausible future where bitcoin will be successful.  I see many ways in which it could fail, those are two of them.  The more I read, the more skeptical I become.

Take the economy of mining, for example. Yesterday I found this paper claiming that the bitcoin mining network now consumes about as much electricity as the whole country of Ireland , ~1 GW.  I found that hard to believe, but it seems correct.  For what? So that some drug dealers can be absolutely certan that their customer will not double-spend them? So that no one can retroactively change the amount that someone spent on Overstock?  So that the police cannot seize the coins of ransomware criminals?

That absurd consumption of energy does not have any rational justification.  It does not even make the network more secure against 51% attacks, because it is still the case that 4-5 mining entities have more than 51% of the hashing power, and that situation is more likely to get worse than better if the network grows more.  Moreover, further price drops and/or the next halving may cause morethan 51% of the hashpower to be turned off -- and may be acquired or rented by a hostile entity, at scrap iron prices.

The absurd consumption of energy is merely a consequence of the block reward being fixed at 50 BTC irrespective of the price, and of the price being 50 times what the current use as currency would imply.  The overvaluation, in turn, is a consequence of the fixed supply, that created the mirage of a currency whose value will grow to astronomic levels; a mirage that led to a spiral of hoarding and absurd price increases.   The overvaluation also resulted in the block reward being 100 times or more the typical fees contained in a block, so that miners have essentially no incentive to include transactions in it.  Worse, the network consumes about 1 million dollars per day that must be provided by new investors, lured by the promise of fabulous speculative gains.  And the absurd will only grow if the price increases again.

This system simply does not make any economic sense.  It is not sustained by sound market principles, but totally by hype, by the belief of gullible people that they will become billionaries if they just buy as much bitcoin as they can and hold hard to it.

From what I have read around, most people who claim to believe in bitcoin's future do so because of various reasons -- because they own bitcoins, because they are employees or investors of bitcoin-related enterprises, because they see it as a way to buy drugs and other illegal things, because of hallucinations about it ending poverty, corruption, banks, governments... but almost never because they rationally believe that it will be a viable currency and efficient payment system.  Which is the only thing that it was designed to be, and it is becoming clear to everybody that it will not be.

You cannot see any posssibility of bitcoin succeeding. Yet here you are and bitcoin plods on month after month, year after year, unabated.

I have tried to explain to you before that your calculations for the 'correct use' price of bitcoin are completely meaningless. Bitcoin has and for the forseeable will have an exchange value which is largely derived from it's speculative value as a commodity and a store of value - not utility as a currency. You might not like it it but tough. If bitcoin eventually functions as a global ecommerce currency then you might find some validity in your suggestions at that stage. Until then your calculations about what you deem fair value for bitcoin will always be wildly wrong. The price is set by the market - and the market has seen it differently for years.

You are again wrong when you say the network consumes 1 million dollars a day.
 
The network consumes nothing. Instead the network spits out the block reward (and transaction fees) every day to the miners who secure the network. The exponentially decreasing block reward dilutes existing bitcoin stock as the coins are distributed. Miners have income, costs and possible profit but these are unrelated to the bitcoin exchange price or the distribution schedule of new coin supply. Mining generates a diminishing portion of the supply of coins which may be sold on exchanges, but that is a small factor in the complex supply and demand relationship that creates the bitcoin exchange price.

Oh and bitcoin is precisely valued following sound market principles. The price is set on freely accessible exchanges all around the world. How much it is manipulated is a different matter Smiley
1119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is there an influence of the Mt. Gox payout on the markets? on: April 24, 2015, 05:33:40 PM
Where is all the usd coming from that they intend to refund? Almost all assets are btc?

Why would there be a preference for USD over BTC?

1120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: April 22, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
How low do you reckon we could go?

Courtesy of myself (the user, not me)


Riiiiight. Such delusion at the end of a bear market.
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