Just to notify I am talking with theymos on my identity issue via PM from 2 days. I have presented him some of the genuine proves and also answered some question about my identity. I am awaiting for his reply or a confirmation here. JFY knows theymos address ? that's something he might verify with theymos maybe.
Also, sent him this piece of info as you suggested here if it helps. |
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Please note, this is again an attempt to hamper my personal repo and get unwanted info from me which is totally wrong. I can keep my identity as much as anonymous I want on the forum no one could force me to reveal my personal things here. |
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Very interesting. What a shocker. Another person who has critical things to say punished with their own personal inquisition. I reviewed the case, and all I see is suspicion. There is no evidence of wrongdoing, just demands by the forum overlords for the user to prove their identity, and punishment for not doing so. I am sure it is just a complete coincidence this inquisition was rebirthed directly after them being critical of the trust police right? It is almost like they try to find anything they can to discredit and punish anyone who criticizes their inquisition type Barney Fife OCD forum cop behavior.
Exactly, they try to force there words and just make the situation more worst for anyone speaking against there agenda. This is how they keep the system monopolized. |
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Well you have accused them. Clearly that means any complaints are invalid because your decisions and judgement are infallible are they? Life would be so much easier if you could just defame anyone who accuses you of anything amirite?
Yes, they do that and there is a very clear case of trust abuse happening with me. I am not engaged in any shady active here, even I don't earn form signatures by posting here and there is nothing scammy I have done which should state Warning: Trade with extreme caution!. This is how they try to mob anyone here who tries to speak in some truth about there manipulative works. This is a clear case of lowering the value of once reputed account, without any prove of it being compressed. |
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I was wondering why you didn't come here to whisper and get me a tag. Still, your tag does not lower the importance of my words. I will keep posting what I think is right and good for the community. |
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Though I hate to see a VIP account get tagged for something like this, my instinct--based on what I'm reading from JusticeForYou--tells me that the current owner of the account isn't the original one. Every piece of evidence points to the current owner not being a member from 2011, from the inability to sign a message to not owning a significant amount of bitcoin. Nothing really points toward the opposite that I can see.
Much, things like owing the original email, also not trying to spam anyone, not earning BTC from commenting here simply points that I am the original owner and also not here to scam anyone. But I have just got this tag based on assumptions and that is why I find it as an abuse of trust by DT to reduce the repo of my account. It's a good thing that there was no scam attempt, and JusticeForYou seems like a decent person--but you never know what anyone's intentions are, not on the internet and especially not on this forum. I'm still trying to figure out how many alt accounts VINSIN has and who these troll accounts actually belong to, and they're not anywhere near VIP members. Ultimately it's better to be safe than sorry, because all the senior members here have seen high-ranked accounts turn out to be scammers (Master-P, for example).
I see you have a good sense of judging people online than @suchmoon, also you should have known that I am not here to scam but just engage in some discussion which I personally find helpful and interesting. Anyone can just see one thing very clear here if anyone tries to go in an anti-DT mode he is accused of some scam accusation or his account is ruined by red-trust from the monopolized system of trust here. I'm still hoping there's a way of JFY proving he's the original owner of the account, but it looks like he's going to go with being the victim of injustice option instead. No offense, JFY.
Yes, there are many things I have proved already, about the email I sent a PM to theymos and also reported a PM to Global Mod. But you should see this is not an accusation to help me in proving and no one is trying to do so, but most of the DT commenting here are trying to go sherlock holmes on me and try to find me in any situation they can accuse me of and stop me from giving my genuine views about the trust system by hampering my repo. This sentence of you'rs proves that you fully understand what is being a victim of injustice and that's what happening here.
This is what happens to established members who point out abuse. Pretty typical. You don't agree with those who are trying to corner the trust system, you must be cast out of the system. Plain and simple.
Yes, a very simple logic anyone can see, most of the things I read are turning true about the "clique" most of the people are pointing here. There should be some proof that I am not the original owner or I am here to scam anyone. Everyone here knows red-tag indicated that the person is engaged in some type of fraud or has scammed someone, but me not doing anything worthy of the red-tag is been abused with red trust just because they don't like my views on the current trust system.
Not saying OP is or isn't the original owner, but I find it funny people keep asking to see a fat stack of coins.
The value in keeping your crypto holdings private on a profile linked to your identity is much higher than the value of proving that identity.
Anyone here would not be happy to publically expose high BTC amounts and address where it is stored, it was a very shady attempt by @actmyname and @qwk to try put me into a ring of the question and get un-needed info from me. After all privacy of the fund is for all we use crypto for, but they are willing to expose all of it from me just to prove I am the original owner. (maybe your proposed transfer of a minor amount of BTC will do the trick, but we'll see how much it turns out to be).
The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).
No, the only reason I am tagged is that I was trying to warn the community about your shady behavior and way of mutilating the trust system nothing else. It is pretty much clear to everyone that it is an attempt of all of your "cult" members to comment here with shady ways to put me into the worst situation. |
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I have sent a PM to theymos as @qwk was unable to confirm my identity and just personally tagged me without any evidence of my account being hacked.
What would you need the reputation for?
Like you said, it wouldn't [effect] you.
A negative rating stands out to those that would do trades with you. Given the possibility of a compromised account, it's better to guard against anything in the event that a new owner does scam.
Yes, it won't effect me but I see this as an abuse of power, which is clearly without any evidence and anyone would not bare a fake trust here. |
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It was a tough decision, but I've come to the conclusion that I'll leave negative feedback for you. For the moment.
I promise to delete it once I'm somehow convinced otherwise (maybe your proposed transfer of a minor amount of BTC will do the trick, but we'll see how much it turns out to be).
Please try not to take it personally.
This could be pointed as an trust abuse, you could make the tag neutral, until it is proved. Yes, negative trust would not effect me, but you know it shows bad repo of a person and I cannot bare it as I have not done anything scammy here. |
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Yes, but it is better to be detrusted by "no one" than "unwanted" by quite more people. |
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The IRC stuff is nothing I can confirm or deny.
It might actually point to you misinterpreting the above post (IRL != IRC), which would make it seem more likely that you're an impostor.
Difficult.
No. I was pointing to Internet Really Chat (IRC) not IRL. I don't know what does substantial point here but yes I can transfer some small amount of Bitcoin to my currently signed BTC address some days back.
Again something that arouses my suspicion: I've not asked for a transfer of bitcoins to one of your old addresses. I've asked for a signed message. I assume BTC_Bear should know the difference. Difficult. Yes, I was saying the same, you miss-understood it, I said I will send substantial amount of BTC to one of my address signed here some days back and then sign a message with it. But go ahead, show us the money, it might be convincing, if it's a large enough stack  No it is not as I said I don't earn from crypto now. edit: can Steve Gibson vouch for you?  No. LOL  |
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If there were some addresses that weren't lost by the drive, then you should be able to sign them, right?
What happened to the coins is irrelevant. As long as we have a tx history and a signed message we know the circulation of BTC.
Don't you see all of my private key were in a single drive which I used mostly. Also just to let you know, price of BTC were pretty low at the time I was holding large amounts of it. Please stop trying to juggle me in this questions, I am not here to get into this investigation. I have already confirmed my issue and its very genuine to anyone. Also I have reported a PM confirming my email id from 2012 to Global Moderator. |
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You should still be able to sign the addresses, aye? Even if there was a hard drive crash in 2016 I assume you stored more coins elsewhere (or had backups) considering the totals.
Yes, of course some of my BTC were lost due to the hard drive crash. I didn't saved any BTC I sold most of them. Also I don't tend to earn much from crypto now. |
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A quick question that you should be able to answer:
Do you remember why you are in Bitcoin?
(I think I remember)
Yes, I was first introduced to it by Steve Gibson. Also I was working with IRC stuff at the initial stage. Also, would it be possible for you to sign a message with a bitcoin address with some substantial amount of bitcoins in it?
I don't know what does substantial point here but yes I can transfer some small amount of Bitcoin to my currently signed BTC address some days back. Assuming you are the real BTC_Bear, I guess it'd be safe to assume you have at least one or two, let's say ten or a hundred BTC wallets lying around?
Yes, I had lot number of address, but I don't tend to earn from crypto now due to the dip in price. I have already emptied most of it. Thank you for your help. |
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I too think there is an urgent need of forum endorsed guidelines to judge any case or else this is just turning into a total mess.
Which is a lie (neither is there any urgency nor is this place near the state of being a mess of that type); stop pushing false narratives using a hacked account. The end goal is to make account trading non-taggable again, and that is not going to happen. Your lies have really become tiring to read. This are not lies but guilty truth of yours to mob any one who tries to comment or question on your authority. You are not the saviour of the forum, also you don't have that job here at the first place. You are just pretending to be a forum police but hunting your personal power behind it and harassing users with your fake accusations. Your tricks to hamper once repo have been seen by many here and reported much times. There is a need of readjustment and you already know that, there are much threads in your own name pointing to you as an trust abuser. They are not just one or two but many. You are also not included by theymos on his trust list, and no one wants you here basically. |
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Screenshots don't prove anything. If you want to prove ownership of an email address from an old PM, you could report the PM to Global Mod hilariousandco (after all, his alt started this topic) to verify the address shows in that PM.
Ok, I have reported a PM from 2012 to Global Moderator Hilariousandco which contains my email address quoted. I hope he will confirm it and respond soon. However, it's not uncommon for email addresses to change hands together with a Bitcointalkaccount, either when the email gets hacked, or when the account gets sold, so it doesn't really prove anything.
Yes, but it is uncommon for a VIP account, I take the security more seriously, also you need to consider a exception. |
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There needs to be a standard of evidence for negative ratings of some kind of documentation of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws. This would cut out SO MUCH of the bullshit we are seeing right now. The sky will not fall. The forum will continue. There will be less drama, more cooperation, more constructive users, less scamming (because they can't hide in the noise), and most importantly people can enjoy the peace of mind of generally BEING LEFT THE FUCK ALONE if they haven't harmed anyone else as is traditional in this community.
Yes, every tag should have some standards of evidence, there is no achievement in giving tag based on assumption which further relates to trust abuse. I cannot see any type of decentralization in the judgment as there are no fix rules to run the community or atleast not people with good judgment knowledge to run it. A community with proper guidelines to what is right or what is wrong makes the things more clear and easy to handle as there is a base of rules to follow. An unguided moderation by DT just make it more worst not only for normal accounts but also for the DT in many cases when they need to explain every action they take. And I think this is obvious from the community to protest as they just don't know what things can lead them to a tag. I too think there is an urgent need of forum endorsed guidelines to judge any case or else this is just turning into a total mess. |
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I understand, but still... did you have someone email you to prove it yet? I'm not abusing power, I just don't want to see anybody get scammed down the road.  Ok, I see your concern, I have already said I can trust @qwk and send him a 2012 prove about my original email. By the way theymos knowns my original email too. I hope he could confirm it here. |
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You are not going tag-free unless some other trusted user can verify you for sure. Does that make sense yet? No, it does not make sense, every time a person loggs in after long time does not mean he is a hacker. Also, I don't think anyone could hack my accounts as I have set most of the security to my email. You cannot just tag peoples here without any proves and evidence of the case. This could be stated as power abuse in simple words. I have proves that I own the original email from start. Does that make sense? |
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It's also a bit weird that an old-timer would suddenly inject himself into the middle of all of this forum drama after all this time, especially given those periods of inactivity. Being inactive sort of makes me think he wouldn't care so much about the DT issues and whatnot...and then suddenly he appears.
I remember we have already talked through PM some days back about the issue related to DT guideline from theymos. And you should know that I am pretty concerned about the current DT state, it is not that I am a anti-DT person just trolling everywhere rather I tend to post in relevant thread with positive discussions on it. Now I'm really curious as to whether it's the original owner posting. Not sure how he can prove it if he can't sign a message. PMs and e-mail are kind of iffy forms of proof, but I'll keep my eye on this thread
I don't know, but if my account was with a hacker, he would have just used it to pull a big ponzi here or atleast earn some funds from it and much more can be done with a VIP. Hope you understand the difference between a genuine person and a scammer/hacker. |
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An email will hardly prove anything.
Yes, it proves much things about my identity, atleast to the people I know. (Especially since you instantly started voicing strong opinions after being inactive for years).
Yes, I see this accusation because I am talking about some anti DT stuff, but that is what I read and felt right to support. Nothing personal just a way I could make the community more decentralized.
Why did you change your name, exactly?
Good question I did this as I thought it would be worth to become someone with better justice. It has pretty big meaning which I would explain, sometime in the future. And when did your hard drive crash?
It was around Jan 2016 due to a electricity overload in my house. |
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