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861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:54:39 PM
Tor and legality:

- if the provider (exit node owner) has no control over data send through his node and he is not snooping data in any way there is no responsibility for the data handled. This is exactly what Master Node Tor will look like.

ISPs have some obligations on the traffic that they allow through their networks (DarkWallet has been targeted I understand). But ISPs make enforcement based on evidence of illegality and court orders being presented.  

If 99% of DarkTor traffic is legal, then they need to track down those hosting the illegal content. DarkTor nodes are relays like millions of Cisco boxes around the world. No one tries to shut down Cisco boxes.
Except for Verizon! HAHA! Layer 3 gold nugget joke right there!
862  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:49:11 PM
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We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

I do have concerns about viability of the DarkTor concept.  TOR exit nodes face some challenging liability issues because of the statistical likelihood they will output illegal content at some point (see discussion at https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq).  For that reason many TOR node operators choose to only operate relay nodes. 

If the proposal here is to essentially turn every masternode into a potential TOR exit node (when its turn comes up in some deterministic algorithm), I think that could present new and challenging new legal risks for DRK's masternode operators AND the providers that host them, at least in many jurisdictions.

If that's a serious concern, presumable Evan could set it up so masternodes can opt out of being an exit node (so just be a relay), and have a specific fee paid just to exit nodes. Then the market will sort it out. The less masternodes want to be exit nodes the more the remaining exit nodes will get, adding incentive to be an exit node.

That's a very good idea actually.
Essentially you would be getting paid to be watched and tagged by the government as node passing packets about ton of illegal crap? There is a good idea. But then if that person got hit, post mortem data would point everything back to it's original sender.

Would it not also incentivize acronym agencies to own exit nodes?

It does currently so I don't see how they would mitigate that.
863  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:42:02 PM
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We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

I do have concerns about viability of the DarkTor concept.  TOR exit nodes face some challenging liability issues because of the statistical likelihood they will output illegal content at some point (see discussion at https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq).  For that reason many TOR node operators choose to only operate relay nodes. 

If the proposal here is to essentially turn every masternode into a potential TOR exit node (when its turn comes up in some deterministic algorithm), I think that could present new and challenging new legal risks for DRK's masternode operators AND the providers that host them, at least in many jurisdictions.

If that's a serious concern, presumable Evan could set it up so masternodes can opt out of being an exit node (so just be a relay), and have a specific fee paid just to exit nodes. Then the market will sort it out. The less masternodes want to be exit nodes the more the remaining exit nodes will get, adding incentive to be an exit node.

That's a very good idea actually.
Essentially you would be getting paid to be watched and tagged by the government as node passing packets about ton of illegal crap? There is a good idea. But then if that person got hit, post mortem data would point everything back to it's original sender.
864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:25:28 PM
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We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

I do have concerns about viability of the DarkTor concept.  TOR exit nodes face some challenging liability issues because of the statistical likelihood they will output illegal content at some point (see discussion at https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq).  For that reason many TOR node operators choose to only operate relay nodes. 

If the proposal here is to essentially turn every masternode into a potential TOR exit node (when its turn comes up in some deterministic algorithm), I think that could present new and challenging new legal risks for DRK's masternode operators AND the providers that host them, at least in many jurisdictions.
THANK YOU. Call me a troll, you haven't seen me troll. I'm legitimately asking questions here not saying fake buy points or "DUMP DUMP DUMP".
865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
It's not a conspiracy to suggest that there are backdoors in computer hardware. It's a fact and we've known about it for a while.
His link has "possibly" in the fuckin title. There is no ANON currency yet including DRK even without the thought of the NSA! Not one currency has had a third party confirm anonymity. If that was the case we would have a gold standard crypto right now. But we don't. But I digress. How will darktor handle exit nodes so people don't get arrested? The update literally was just bugs and this new idea to setup tor on the masternodes. All words of nothingness.

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Has anyone ever been sued or prosecuted for running Tor?

No, we aren't aware of anyone being sued or prosecuted in the United States just for running a Tor relay. Further, we believe that running a Tor relay — including an exit relay that allows people to anonymously send and receive traffic — is legal under U.S. law.

Source: Tor Project

https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq
http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/good-tor-2014/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121130/07495221185/tor-exit-node-operator-charged-with-distributing-child-porn.shtml
866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:13:40 PM
I am new here and want to congratulate DRK

Looks like we have a new friend in our community
When ignorance reigns life is lost. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0
867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:08:02 PM
It's not a conspiracy to suggest that there are backdoors in computer hardware. It's a fact and we've known about it for a while.
His link has "possibly" in the fuckin title. There is no ANON currency yet including DRK even without the thought of the NSA! Not one currency has had a third party confirm anonymity. If that was the case we would have a gold standard crypto right now. But we don't. But I digress. How will darktor handle exit nodes so people don't get arrested? The update literally was just bugs and this new idea to setup tor on the masternodes. All words of nothingness.
The financial incentive means that there will always be nodes, regardless of what governments do. Look at all the torrent sites if you want evidence. It's impossible to take down all of them.
That has nothing to do with what I am asking.
868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
It's not a conspiracy to suggest that there are backdoors in computer hardware. It's a fact and we've known about it for a while.
His link has "possibly" in the fuckin title. There is no ANON currency yet including DRK even without the thought of the NSA! Not one currency has had a third party confirm anonymity. If that was the case we would have a gold standard crypto right now. But we don't. But I digress. How will darktor handle exit nodes so people don't get arrested? The update literally was just bugs and this new idea to setup tor on the masternodes. All words of nothingness.
869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
No resistance upwards, let it fly to Nr 2 spot! First coin to offer its own ecosystem and is anonymous!!
Nonono it was mentioned before that it is not anonymous and it still comes with an instamine scam. Thanks for not answering my legitimate questions. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0
Moron, we just explained to you that true anonymity is impossible. Darkcoin provides a high degree of privacy.
You explained nothing and linked some nsa spy bullcrap about emedded chips as an excuse for your shit not being anon. Conspiracy theories aside. Being an exit node on this crap idea is going to screw someone worse than the rich list dumping the instamine. I really wish the best for most drk holders and hope this doesn't all go really bad because it will make the crypto community look bad in turn.
870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
No resistance upwards, let it fly to Nr 2 spot! First coin to offer its own ecosystem and is anonymous!!
Nonono it was mentioned before that it is not anonymous and it still comes with an instamine scam. Thanks for not answering my legitimate questions. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0
871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:29:40 PM
The goal is to get as close to 99.999% anonymity as possible, you will never have 100%. The recent drop is a due to a combination of things, mostly the fact that every coin got slaughtered in the latest crypto market drop, not just DRK.

Drk is already anonymous for 99,9%. The tor is a new feature non related to anonymous coin. We have that we are loving into usability on a whole different level. Masternode Ownership Will become service providers and get paid for it. Basically with RC5 you can start you own business by setting up a Masternode. And with one service most will follow. DRK does not only provide anonymity in payments it now will offer services in the realm on anonymity! Breaking new ground and excellent news for Masternode owners!
So that is all crap imo right? There is no anonymity at all if it isn't 100% right? Crazy pill here? Getting down to the technicalities of it... how will drktor handle exit nodes on data and especially on transactions?
100% anonymity is technically impossible until we have open source hardware.
Most of crypto runs on open source hardware. Please explain?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=edward+snowden+hardware+compromised&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&gws_rd=cr&ei=YZbzU8-4KIPEObTEgPAC
So you are saying that nothing is 100% anonymous because somewhere in the network someone is bugged? And no one in your network is protected from one another from that?
872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:26:52 PM

Most of crypto runs on open source hardware. Please explain?

Go ask AMD for their full hardware schematics and driver source code, retard.
Nice, calling people retard. You must have a nice life with nice people in it. FPGA/ASIC... Back to the topic. What revolutionary configuration is going to fix exit node issues with liability?
873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:20:20 PM
The goal is to get as close to 99.999% anonymity as possible, you will never have 100%. The recent drop is a due to a combination of things, mostly the fact that every coin got slaughtered in the latest crypto market drop, not just DRK.

Drk is already anonymous for 99,9%. The tor is a new feature non related to anonymous coin. We have that we are loving into usability on a whole different level. Masternode Ownership Will become service providers and get paid for it. Basically with RC5 you can start you own business by setting up a Masternode. And with one service most will follow. DRK does not only provide anonymity in payments it now will offer services in the realm on anonymity! Breaking new ground and excellent news for Masternode owners!
So that is all crap imo right? There is no anonymity at all if it isn't 100% right? Crazy pill here? Getting down to the technicalities of it... how will drktor handle exit nodes on data and especially on transactions?
100% anonymity is technically impossible until we have open source hardware.
Most of crypto runs on open source hardware. Please explain?
874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
The goal is to get as close to 99.999% anonymity as possible, you will never have 100%. The recent drop is a due to a combination of things, mostly the fact that every coin got slaughtered in the latest crypto market drop, not just DRK.

Drk is already anonymous for 99,9%. The tor is a new feature non related to anonymous coin. We have that we are loving into usability on a whole different level. Masternode Ownership Will become service providers and get paid for it. Basically with RC5 you can start you own business by setting up a Masternode. And with one service most will follow. DRK does not only provide anonymity in payments it now will offer services in the realm on anonymity! Breaking new ground and excellent news for Masternode owners!
So that is all crap imo right? There is no anonymity at all if it isn't 100% right? Crazy pill here? Getting down to the technicalities of it... how will drktor handle exit nodes on data and especially on transactions?
875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 06:06:09 PM
I'm waiting for the day that Kristov Atlas releases his code review, where he announces that DRK is the best anon solution out there. Then all these trolls will be silenced forever.
But he is kinda biased right? I'll listen to data. Not some schmuck who is invested in what he is auditing.
876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live! on: August 19, 2014, 05:58:06 PM

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Utilizing the Masternode network - DarkTor

One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for determining which masternode will get paid.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.

    Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
    Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
    Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
    Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.


As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

I think I just shit my pants.
I feel like I am taking crazy pills here. This is an update saying that they found some bugs and they are setting up their own "faster" tor network. This is all just words. Right? Am I crazy? "we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users" aren't you already the "first anonymous coin"? Do you need to be more anonymous than anonymous? unless... you weren't really anonymous.... and how will you handle exit nodes?
877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 19, 2014, 04:06:42 PM
i told you guys posa was not working. you didnt listen. look at you know.

PoSA is working. (Just failed the audit)

Posa working anon (not trustless) solution block escrow (makes posa not anon) Solution back to drawing board...


what we have here at cloak is a dev team that will not give up until they make the big breakthrough, PLUS they are honest......trying finding some of that in this world, especially in the crypto realm. go ahead....try.

as of yet there IS NO coin that has achieved trustless anonymity.  hasn't been done yet.
 if cloak is a failure then they all are.  duh ! 
 the difference is that their honesty freaked people out and they panic sold.  HERD INSTINCT, RIGHT OVER THE CLIFF.
the quest for the holy grail is on baby !     GODSPEED CLOAK TEAM !


+1 indeed
878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 17, 2014, 04:23:12 PM
Until the cloak devs become completely transparent and reveal their real identities, i don't see a turnaround. Why are they hiding?

do you even remember silk road? onemarket will be that on steroids and you think this dip will affect the value that the volume on onemarket creates?
879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 15, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
first time forum member.
Dude! Good job figuring out how to internet!
880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 14, 2014, 09:12:03 PM
CLOAK at 16.9% of all time high valuation.
DRK at 28.8% of all time high valuation.
If DRK is shit, then CLOAK is complete and utter shit.
Oh I see your reasoning there... Like if corn securities are down so must oil? NO. They have nothing to do with each other. There is no link there.
DRK= premine
CLOAK= legit innovation
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