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41  Economy / Speculation / Re: Goomboo's Journal on: May 27, 2013, 02:35:04 PM
He's mentioned before that he trades manually, which I'm sure is the safer route, especially when you consider the amount of tweaking and tuning a trading system requires to remain relevant to the changing market.

How do you trade manually when Bitcoin markets are 24h?
42  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Una de silkRoad on: May 25, 2013, 10:39:22 AM
HOla, en que sentido te refieres que es tan incriminatorio?, lo que no quiero es que me pregunten que es ese pedido, no entiendo porqué tiene que ser más sospechoso, los de correos no son polis no?

Porque si recibes un paquete en tu casa, incluso si es a tu nombre, siempre puedes decir que tú no lo pediste y que no sabes lo que es. Legalmente la policía no puede hacer nada excepto si tiene otro tipo de pruebas de que tú ordenaste el paquete. Solo recibir un paquete no es prueba para que te condenen. Obviamente puede hacer que la policía te preste más atención. En cambio, aunque recibir un paquete en un codigo postal tampoco es prueba legalmente, es mucho más sospechoso, porque es más dificil que se confunda un código postal.

Es decir, el código postal no te aporta más seguridad, pero puede hacer que la policía te preste más atención. Por lo que he estado leyendo sobre Silk Road para saber si el modelo es viable o no y como puede afectar a Bitcoin, es común para los que piden un paquete dejarlo sin abrir durante unos días, porque si la policía aparece pasadas unas horas, siempre puedes alegar que no lo habías pedido y que ni siquiera lo has abierto, así que no tienen ninguna prueba contra ti. Puedes econtrar ejemplos de esto en r/silkroad. Es un ecosistema interesante por lo pintoresco de la situación.

Muchísimas gracias hugolp, me ha quedado bastante claro. Aprovechando este hilo, por favor, soy muy novato, un par de dudas que tengo: que es Mhash/s?...por otro lado que es un pool?...por qué interesa tanto para obtener bitcoins?...Gracias nuevamente

Eso tiene que ver con la minería y porque la minería es una parte esencial de Bitcoin. Lee sobre como funciona Bitcoin o pregunta en las sección de minería.
43  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Una de silkRoad on: May 25, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
HOla, en que sentido te refieres que es tan incriminatorio?, lo que no quiero es que me pregunten que es ese pedido, no entiendo porqué tiene que ser más sospechoso, los de correos no son polis no?

Porque si recibes un paquete en tu casa, incluso si es a tu nombre, siempre puedes decir que tú no lo pediste y que no sabes lo que es. Legalmente la policía no puede hacer nada excepto si tiene otro tipo de pruebas de que tú ordenaste el paquete. Solo recibir un paquete no es prueba para que te condenen. Obviamente puede hacer que la policía te preste más atención. En cambio, aunque recibir un paquete en un codigo postal tampoco es prueba legalmente, es mucho más sospechoso, porque es más dificil que se confunda un código postal.

Es decir, el código postal no te aporta más seguridad, pero puede hacer que la policía te preste más atención. Por lo que he estado leyendo sobre Silk Road para saber si el modelo es viable o no y como puede afectar a Bitcoin, es común para los que piden un paquete dejarlo sin abrir durante unos días, porque si la policía aparece pasadas unas horas, siempre puedes alegar que no lo habías pedido y que ni siquiera lo has abierto, así que no tienen ninguna prueba contra ti. Puedes econtrar ejemplos de esto en r/silkroad. Es un ecosistema interesante por lo pintoresco de la situación.
44  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Una de silkRoad on: May 25, 2013, 07:47:21 AM
Preguntaros, si los pedidos de SilkRoad son por correo ordinario o por mensajería privada. Lo digo porque no quiero que me lleguen los pedidos a casa, y si es por correo ordinario, alquilar un código postal (vamos un cajetín) en la oficina de correos más cercana (la de mi pueblo, vamos). Gracias de antemano y un saludo.

Entiendes que un cajetín es tan incriminatorio como que te llegue a casa, no? De hecho, un cajetín es incluso más sospechoso.
45  Economy / Speculation / Re: Criptocoins vs. Linux on: May 20, 2013, 06:40:03 PM
Come to think of it.

* Both free, versatile, powerful, in short awesome
* Both faced with a competition either inferior or insanely priced, and in any case unfree as hell.
* Both with a base of enthusiast supporters all absolutely sure that "this year will be our year, we will take over the world!". Every year.

Except Linux has been around 23 years now. It has been adopted by maybe a 2% of tech enthousiasts, and behind the scenes by many big players as an invisible base for their services -but common people apparently still love to defragment and scan for viruses. Although many know there is something called "linux"; just as many have heard of bitcoin recently.

Still, the mental effort required for the change is commonly believed to be too much -although the transition has arguably been made as easy as it could possibly be.
So apparently, without a (really) big company to push for adoption, universal success among common people is unlikely.

(Oh: among crypto, Bitcoin is Debian -and Ripple looks a lot like it could be Ubuntu)

Linux is the most used operating system in the world, just not in desktop, but in everything else. Server is linux dominated, embeded and mobile is linux dominated (think how many people use Android), supercomputers is linux dominated, etc... Only in desktop linux does not dominate.
46  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Asics a tamaño gigante on: May 20, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
Al menos tendría el honor de ser la máquina de minado más grande del mundo  Grin

Imaginate el consumo por perdidas... Y el campo magnetico que podría crear.

También le podríamos dar esos honores, puede ser la #1 en varios campos, no hay problema Tongue
De hecho se ganaría más dinero gracias al récord Guinness y por cobrarle entrada a los turistas que vinieran a visitarla, que por el minado en sí  Cool

Con un cartel que pusiera: "Alerta campos magnéticos! La instalación no se hace responsable del cancer.", no se yo si entrarían muchos turistas...
47  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Asics a tamaño gigante on: May 20, 2013, 06:22:28 PM
Al menos tendría el honor de ser la máquina de minado más grande del mundo  Grin

Imaginate el consumo por perdidas... Y el campo magnetico que podría crear.
48  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitstamp volumes, what do they imply? on: May 20, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Because its impossible that the explanation is that people have a hard time sending fiat to Bitstamp?
49  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi, please start moving your coins on: May 17, 2013, 07:05:18 PM
... but in fact they trust Satoshi who probably can debase Bitcoins anytime.

Im going to go anal:

-bitcoin/bitcoins: is the currency and, as any other currency, you dont capitalize the first letter.

-Bitcoin: is the name for the network, the protocol and even the software, therefore you capitalize the first letter.

Note that you can not write "Bitcoins", you can only write "bitcoins" because only the currency can be plural and you never capitalize it.
50  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: La orden judicial del caso Mt. Gox y Dwolla ha sido publicada on: May 16, 2013, 07:24:24 AM
Bueno pues básicamente Mutum Sigillum, la filial de Mt Gox que hacía de enlace con Dwolla para procesar los fondos depositados desde EEUU por ese método, no tenía las oportunas licencias para operar como Negocio de Transmisión de Dinero (Unlicensed Money Transmitting Bussines) que es lo que el DHS americano entiende que son y por eso les van a meter un paquete.

Básicamente un tema más burocrático que otra cosa. No se registraron o solicitaron las licencias oportunas para el tipo de negocio que desarrollaban. Parecía más grave, pues podría haber sido un tema de lavado de fondos a través de bitcoin lo cuál hubiera manchado mucho su nombre...

No está tan claro que Mutum Sigillum necesite las licencias que el DHS está reclamando, porque no está nada claro que Mutum Sigillum sea un money transmitter.

De cualquier manera, es feo y abusivo por parte del DHS cerrar la cuenta directamente sin intentar hablar antes con Mutum Sigillum o siquiera darle un aviso para intentar remediar la situación de manera amistosa.
51  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: ¿Por que Bitbar está teniendo tanta acogida? on: May 13, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
De bitbar apenas hay nada en el subforo de altcoins.

La que lo está petando allí es YAC (yacoin), pero sólo por su campaña de imagen porque viene a ser más de lo mismo, apuntando a dificultar el minado especializado con GPUs y ASICs, pero sin abordar el verdadero problema de la recentralización vía "pools".

De hecho, los últimos hilos van en el sentido de promocionar los "pools"...

Excepto Namecoin, no he visto una nueva moneda que aporta algo, son todo hype. Este mismo hilo, no tengo ninguna prueba, pero estoy convencido de que es una manera de intentar promocionar Bitbar. Estoy convencido de que Ferdinandreyes ha comprado bitbars y se hace el inocente aquí preguntando para que más gente vaya y la compre. Han hecho así con cada moneda nueva que ha salido. Cambian cuatro tonterías que en realidad no aportan nada, promocionan los cambios como si fueran el nuevo milagro, y se dedican a promocionar allí donde pueden normalmente haciendose pasar por parte no interesada.
52  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: zipline / Quantopian - backtesting / trading framework on: May 13, 2013, 04:44:57 AM
Because MtGox only provide (to my knowledge) only an API to download each trade
(and it's a very big file !!!)


I understand its a very big file and that using 15 minute candles reduces the size of the database considerably, but having each trade can help simulate the spread much better (obviously having the orderbook would be ideal, but thats even more data). And with today hard drives being so cheap is it really a problem?
53  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ubuntu 13.04 includes Bitcoin-QT in Software Center - is this new? on: May 12, 2013, 08:08:11 PM


i don't remember seeing this in previous versions.

just the daemons.

Bitcoin-qt was included in Debian so Ubuntu probably got it from there. Also there is a repository with updated packages for the Qt client.
54  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: zipline / Quantopian - backtesting / trading framework on: May 12, 2013, 02:36:06 PM
Almost there....
I also agree that we need to use a better data source and that should probably be bitcoincharts.

Why not mtgox itself?
55  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: goxgui - a Graphical Bitcoin Trading Tool for MtGox on: May 11, 2013, 01:08:50 PM
Why does goxgui merges together some bids or asks? Ive noticed that sometimes bids or asks that are closed get showed together as if they are the same bid or the same ask. Is this a bug or a feature? Either way it should not be this way IMO.

EDIT: Ive checked and goxtool is not doing it, it must be something goxgui is doing.
Theres a preference setting for this in my version @ https://github.com/genbtc/goxgui, or edit "model.py" and change GROUP_ORDERS to 0.

There is no GROUP_ORDERS string in model.py.
56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Why bitcoin sucks" (An Ironic Piece from Keynesian perspective) on: May 11, 2013, 08:15:54 AM
I say in all respect. But your reply doesn't answer any of my questions, or address any of the points I made. All you have done is question the context in which I've used two words (science) and (Art). But I think my intended context is quite clear. You can argue weather prediction is not art if you like, but I think you'll find most people will have understood the point I was making.

As for your question, for me to expand on stimulus spending? I can do that, but first please make an attempt to answer my questions?
Respectfully, Questing



I think you have missed the part where I said I agree with your remark.
57  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: goxgui - a Graphical Bitcoin Trading Tool for MtGox on: May 11, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
Why does goxgui merges together some bids or asks? Ive noticed that sometimes bids or asks that are closed get showed together as if they are the same bid or the same ask. Is this a bug or a feature? Either way it should not be this way IMO.

EDIT: Ive checked and goxtool is not doing it, it must be something goxgui is doing.
58  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Why bitcoin sucks" (An Ironic Piece from Keynesian perspective) on: May 11, 2013, 06:48:14 AM
Thank you, great write up. Keynesian economics has proven very useful in the past. I don't think anybody could argue it hasent. And your ironic piece makes a case well worth consideration.

Perhaps the useful aspects of Keynesian economics can still be adapted for use with bitcoin. For example, gov can still hold btc and increase spending during recession. And it can still create policy that encourage spending, licenses, tax incentives etc. And btc can still be taxed, even if it is harder to trace earnings. Tax is basically an honest system now, requiring that we self report our earnings. Most people will still do the right thing.
But Governments cant print more, or de-value btc. Time will tell if that's a good or bad thing. I'm no expert, but I'm leaning toward it being a good thing.

I think the biggest problem our financial system presents, is not that its failing, or problems of adapting to a new type of currency (btc). I think the biggest problem is our markets only work if they are expanding, driving gov policy toward population growth, and ever increasing exploitation of earths resources. I wonder if btc could somehow become part of a new system structure which was able to maintain steady state, rather than perpetual growth. Afterall, perpetual growth is impossible in a finite world, so if we don't want to bust, we need to solve this issue.
I don't personally know how btc could achieve this, but it certainly has a whole new set of possibilities which haven't been considered before.  

I dont see how anyone would think that keynesianism has been useful. And more importantly economics is supposed to be a science, so it should be correct not useful and keynesianism has been proven false again and again.

I tried having a debate with some keynesians who were claiming Bitcoin would not succed because keynesianism and they could not handle it, so I extend the offer to you. But by debate I dontmean an internet slogan-catchy phrases ridiculous back and forth, I mean an honest exchange of ideas.

Honest exchange of ideas? Sounds fine, thanks for the offer. Who knows, we might even find we agree on some things.
Firstly, I dont believe Keynesian economics has all the answers, so I certainly wouldn't label myself a keynesian. And I do believe btc can succeed, and I hope it does.
But spending gov money to stimulate the economy, I suggest can be useful at times?
Economics is a science, like weather forecasting is a science. There are so many shifting variables, including human behavior, so our scientific inquiry has limits. Perhaps it is fairer to say that economics is part science, part art?

If you have an economics model which is not just useful, but fully scientifically correct. Then plz do tell us about it?

No, I do agree that there is a difference between so called "social sciences" and empirical sciences. There is people who even argue that social sciences, by their own nature, should not be called sciences. I dont really care about the name and redefinitions of the word science. I do acknowledge that by strict historical standards social sciences should not be called sciences and that the extended use of the word science has been used to give credibility to certain theories that probably did not deserve it. But the new meaning is so extended at this point that its a bit useless to try to "enforce" the strict old historical definition. As long as we understand that social sciences are different than empirical sciences, I dont have a problem with the word people decide to use.

But social sciences are not art. Engineering has an "artistic" side, trading too, but social sciences are not so much about art, but about creating a theoretical body of ideas that try to reflect reality, not really about producing an effect (which is what art is).

Moving into the economic part, since you have started by bringing up the idea of government spending to (allegedly) stimulate the economy, why dont you expand on as a first topic of discussion?
59  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Why bitcoin sucks" (An Ironic Piece from Keynesian perspective) on: May 11, 2013, 06:08:07 AM
Thank you, great write up. Keynesian economics has proven very useful in the past. I don't think anybody could argue it hasent. And your ironic piece makes a case well worth consideration.

Perhaps the useful aspects of Keynesian economics can still be adapted for use with bitcoin. For example, gov can still hold btc and increase spending during recession. And it can still create policy that encourage spending, licenses, tax incentives etc. And btc can still be taxed, even if it is harder to trace earnings. Tax is basically an honest system now, requiring that we self report our earnings. Most people will still do the right thing.
But Governments cant print more, or de-value btc. Time will tell if that's a good or bad thing. I'm no expert, but I'm leaning toward it being a good thing.

I think the biggest problem our financial system presents, is not that its failing, or problems of adapting to a new type of currency (btc). I think the biggest problem is our markets only work if they are expanding, driving gov policy toward population growth, and ever increasing exploitation of earths resources. I wonder if btc could somehow become part of a new system structure which was able to maintain steady state, rather than perpetual growth. Afterall, perpetual growth is impossible in a finite world, so if we don't want to bust, we need to solve this issue.
I don't personally know how btc could achieve this, but it certainly has a whole new set of possibilities which haven't been considered before.  

I dont see how anyone would think that keynesianism has been useful. And more importantly economics is supposed to be a science, so it should be correct not useful and keynesianism has been proven false again and again.

I tried having a debate with some keynesians who were claiming Bitcoin would not succed because keynesianism and they could not handle it, so I extend the offer to you. But by debate I dontmean an internet slogan-catchy phrases ridiculous back and forth, I mean an honest exchange of ideas.
60  Local / Hardware y Minería / Re: La que se nos viene encima. Aviso a inversores de minería on: May 10, 2013, 08:35:07 AM
La minería se convertirá en un gran problema de aquí a unos meses. Y el problema es que la gente que va a comprar ASICs cree que tendrá mucho beneficio, pero si todos lo reciben de golpe, se van a quedar con cara de tontos.

Si hoy en día te tienes que gastar pastar por conseguir beneficio minando, dentro de medio año ya será imposible, a menos que seas rico.

Es posible, cuando salieron las GPU también hubo una sobresaturación en un momento determinado. Al menos las gpu's se puedieron revender, algo que va a ser mucho más dificil sino imposible con los ASICs.
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