I'll be watching this, I really want there to be a good alternative to MTGox
Bitcoinica uses MtGox. They are not an exchange. that's what bugs me... why do they use a potential competitor as their wallet? Because MtGox is not a competitor. As me and nmat said before Bitcoinica is not an exchange. |
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This under-moderating style also helps keep the reddit/slashdot-esque groupthink from happening too much, which is good. Why I am not surprised someone like you said this? |
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This is not the official forum.
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Cablepair this forum is "under moderated" by design. If you want other type of forum they are popping around, like for example this one: http://bitcoin.org.uk, that is more moderated. Different people will want different styles of forums. Its all good. |
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We have no reason to make up the numbers ourselves.
You don't? Do you realize if no one is trading on your exchange, it will not attract new users? If you make up large numbers it would encourage others to join and trade, as an alternative to MTGox. His place is not a exchange and he acts as a market marker. |
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...But it is higher than where it was? And after people cash out the price will stabilize. Once that happens business's like mine (openspacemovement.org) will feel confident enough to start accepting bitcoins as a form of currency. Once that happens the value will become incalculable!
It will never stabilize, and you summarize why pretty well with this post. The Bitcoin price will continue to rally and then crash forever. When people think it will go down they will sell, hoping to get cheaper coins later, which pushed the price down. Then, when it has fallen so far that enough people think it can't fall much further it stop falling. That will put people in the "value will become incalculable" modus again, and we'll have a new rally which will last until the price has become so high that more money are being pulled out of the market than added. You could see this from any stock, any currency, anything really. If it was that easy nobody would be working. |
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Did you start this from scratch or its based on something else?
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I'm guessing this is the reason for the recent spike in BTC value.
They allow short selling, so I dont think its the reason of the recent spike. They could have as well produced a big sell off. |
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And the best part is that he is totally open about it and has never tried to hide it. The ingenuity amazes me. Btw, his success should be an eye opener to the rest of exchangers. |
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Parece que un exchanger sudamericano que permita ingresar dinero en cuantas bancarias podría tener éxito.
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What the fuck is "the manipulator" you people are afraid of? If someone buys up 15k of BTC, then he is a manipulator?
Are you afraid of ghosts too?
"The manipulator" is the legend some have created to explain certain movements in the Bitconi price. |
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@hugolp perdon por rebatir tu argumento pero para mi esta claro que comprar bitcoins no es un problema de precio, es un problema de accesibilidad (por lo menos en mi pais, y en Sudamerica en general). Estoy seguro que si uno pudiera comprar bitcoins en el almacen de la esquina mucha gente tendria su media docena de bitcoins (aun a un precio alto) esperando un par de años para ver si el sistema se masifica. Como eso no ocurre, nadie esta dispuesto a hacer una transferencia internacional a TradeHill o a MtGox por 30 o 40 dolares (seguramente las comisiones que tendria que pagar serian mayores que el dinero que esta enviando). Yo, para conseguir mis bitcoins, tuve que hacer un acto heroico y darme un millon de vueltas para lograrlo: paypal -> virxow -> usd/sl-linden -> sl-linden/btc (la puta que la pario!, absolutamente desangrado por cada pedacito que me sacaban en comisiones cada siguiente paso). Por eso mi idea de "1 bitcoin para todos" que propuse en este foro hace unas semanas es un proyecto interesante de realizar.
Respecto al tema del acaparamiento de bitcoins en pocas manos, no tengo pruebas, pero la logica me dice que asi debe ser. No me interesa discutir ese tema, que la gente saque sus propias conclusiones, asi que esta vez te voy a conceder tu punto de vista.
Un saludo.
No se trata de conceder o no. No había pensado las comisiones por meter dinero en los exchanges. Aquí en Europa se puede hacer una transferencia SEPA a los exchanges y es gratis independientemente de la cantida. Puedes meter 10 euros con 0 comisión por ejemplo. Así que aquí en Europa cualquiera puede comprarlos independientemente de la cantidad. Ya veo que en Sudamerica es diferente. |
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It's hard to trust MtGox if ... Its hard to trust bitcointalk as well. Its very hard what to believe. |
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The most insightful comment to Krugman's blog so far is the one suggesting that a very simple Bitcoin fork could address the only "flaw" that Krugman noted: one could change the cap from 21M coins to a slightly inflationary model where, for example, the coins supply would inflate by +2% every year. (I put "flaw" in quotes because the cap was specifically not seen as a flaw by Satoshi.)
Think about it people. If this is all it takes to get a decentralized crypto currency validated by a prominent economist like Krugman, then this fork of Bitcoin is bound to happen.
Please go ahead and good luck. Im really looking forward to someone to create an inflationary version of Bitcoin, so when it fails we can point at it and end up the nonsense. |
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Uno de los problemas mas grandes de bitcoin, junto con la escasez de productos que se pueden comprar, es que existen demasiados bitcoins en demasiadas pocas manos. Uno querria que hubiesen millones de personas con fraccion de bitcoins, pero en la realidad hay una gran acaparacion en pocas manos. Estas grandes caidas en el precio del bitcoin solo acentuan el problema ya que todas las monedas que se venden pasan a manos de estos grandes acaparadores. De hecho, muchas veces son ellos mismo los que menejan los precios transando grandes volumenes. Lo mejor que le puede pasar a Bitcoin es que el total de bitcoins que existen se distrubuya entre la mayor cantidad de personas posibles.
[citation needed] Veo por ahí gente diciendo que los bitcoins están en pocas manos, pero muy pocas pruebas de ello. Cuando el precio era muy alto la gente dcía que solo los ricos podían comprar bitcoins, ahora qu eel precio es bajo debería ser lo contrario, no? Ahora los bitcoins son más accesibles y estarás más distribuidos. |
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silver STILL hasn't gotten back up over the 61.8% retrace from bottom to top in May.
So, from around $17-18 silver shoot up to almost $50 in less than a year, and because it corrected back to $35 and now up to over $40, silver is a bad investment? I say that after such a rally its quite normal a correction. You know better than this. wow, the attacks start back so soon? i thought you'd at least say Welcome Back! look, right now i said i was neutral, ok? did i say it was a "bad investment"? and if anything i'm net long gold but no position in silver. i'd like to take the position in this thread in pointing out certain things from a different perspective than just a permabulls, ok? geez... It wasnt meant to be an attack. |
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A lot of people tend to believe miners need about $5-5.50 to make it worth their time, but i feel that KWH leechers or FPGA users will bring the price under that $5-5.50 equilibrium.
just my 2 cents. sure glad i sold at $11 :-)
No. The difficulty adjustment will ensure that some miners can make a profit at nearly any price. Lower prices drive miners out, difficulty ramps down, mining becomes profitable for miners remaining, more miners jump in, difficulty rises, mining becomes unprofitable, miners leave. It's a balancing feedback loop that is always in play, it makes no difference what the price is. I have no frigging clue why after a year of this we still have people insisting that the "cost of mining" somehow affects the price of bitcoins. True. But it might have a psicological effect. For example, there are some miners that will sell at any price as soon as they get some bitcoins, but seing that now it does not even cover their electricity bill they might decide to hold or at least set a minimum price at which they will sell. |
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