So you dish the reaction of the community to your paper because somehow you dont like to believe it is the reaction of the community to your paper, and preffer to mention as "proof" a website outside the community and a lot of the reports on Bitcoin. Let me tell you that the press on Bitcoin has been highly inncaccurate and not only regarding anonimity. I have not seen something reported with more mistakes than Bitcoin. The community tried to correct them for a while, but ended up giving up. You can see the comments in the press thread.

Look, you and I (and everybody) know what its going on. Your paper is cool and the work is great, but you decided to give it a bit of dramatism accusing the community of things you should not have, to get more recognition and more press. And that is dishonest from your part. For example, even before your paper, the word pseudo-anonymous was removed from the main website to avoid confussion (even when the word pseudo-anonymous is accurate). The community knows how Bitcoin works  and your accusations are false and only looking to get press. You should not do that, its dishonest from your part.

Again, Im not saying Bruce Wagner is not guilty of whatever. Im just saying that regarding MyBitcoin all the evidences point to the people behind MyBitcoin scam trying to frame BW using the drama that is going on. As you say, we should not stop trying to expose scammers if posible.

Also, we have to keep in mind that the forum is under a cohordinated attack. Stick to proven facts.

Bitcoin is not legal tender, but it is a currency. Also, its an asset with an easily determinable value.

I dont have an opinion on BW. I am just sure that with all the accusations that have been going around here there is something bigger going on.

I was just stating the fact that his statement is false. The address of MyBitcoin pointing to the same server as OnlyOneTv is a recent event, check it for yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40417.msg492861#msg492861, so its a move clearly made to incriminate BW. Also, it was made in coordination with the acusations about BW being involved with MyBitcoin in this forum.

This does not mean that BW is an angel and is not guilty of other things, but the most logical conclussion is that the people behind MyBitcoin is trying to make people believe BW is behind MyBitcoin using the drama to take the heat away from them.

Also, you have the emails from Madhatter this morning advising BW to drop the whole thing if he does not want more attacks on him. BW refuses, and the whole drama happens.

Actually, its the other way around. Since the whole attack on BW started the MyBitcoin domain has been changed to point to a place to incriminate BW. It seems that the MyBitcoin scammers are using the whole BW drama to hide take attention away from themselves.

You are wrong.

1. Even if you pay on bitcoins you are required to pay taxes. Whether its enforceable and you do it is another issue.
2. Theft is not permited, and that its independent of on what you pay taxes.

I feel you need to try harder and talk of things you know and understand.


Again, you are wrong. Companies push for whatever they want, but usually it means MORE regulations. Thats the reason why in each of the last decades the regulations in the USA have increased.

Yes, despite of what the official propaganda says (and you obviously believe), if you check the data you will see that regulations have increased in each of the last decades in the USA. The deregulation myth is just that, a myth. Please dont believe me, just go and check the data.


Again, not true. As net result companies push for more regulations. The sad part is that they have educated a bunch of kids that grow into disfunctional adults into believing that regulations are for their protection.



Actually, the FDIC is the perfect example of how regulations work. The FDIC does not have the money to pay for the banks failures and that is why the taxpayers have had to rescue them, specially through the Fed. That you think that you are not paying for the banks failures just shows that propaganda works.


No, of course not. If there was no regulations, companies would have to compete and offer good services and good prices. Without regulations, how would the big companies abuse the costumers? We can not allow that.

You see under my name where there is a G then an L then an O then a B then a A then another L. That means Global. Keep learning more letters and you will find out.

And you dont need to change between your AyeYo nick and your new clone.

But what you are saying is not true. Even if you operate in bitcoins you are protected by the legal system of the country you live on. With the MyBitcoin fiasco someone in the forum has explained that he reported to the FBI, but nothing has happened. Well, thats the kind of protection you get from the government monopoly. I dont understand how you can defend that system.

I believe that under a competitive justice system you would get much better service, but as anything in social science there is uncertainty about it. But what we can be sure is that the system you defend is not working.


Yes, but this is exactly how regulations and the regulatory system works. Having regulations does not mean having some angels coming from the sky to take care of us faliable humans. It means having limited and corruptable humans with monopolly power. And the net results of regulations are always benefiting big companies and hurting the little guy, exactly like the BP case.


No. In a regulated environment the big players of the industry get to pass regulations that allow them to cheat the consumers. Thats how regulations work. The rest are just excuses.


Well, since you mention MyBitcoin, a Bitcoin bank, let me mention that we are in a depression were there has been record of bank failures under a regulated environment. According to your way of thinking it should not be happening. But its happening.

Regulations dont work how you think they work.

Ok, Im going to bite and tread you like an adult:

On justice:

So you mean that if a private legal and enforcing system the USA (or whatever) government would not have a problem with that and would try to mantain its monopolly? You really meant to say that the fact that there is no private justice is not because the government imposes a monopolly on justice?

On scams:

The BP fiasco where the company polluted the ocean and hurt the health of many many people happened under a government regulated system. The government has stopped any system of market based control and has decided to control anything related to the environment by itself with regulations. Those regulations allowed BP to avoid big compensations to the damnified and will be able to keep operating as they have been in the future. How is this justice?

I completely agree with the need to make the Bitcoin system easier to use for everybody (but this is easier said than done) and about the suggestion to include the social variable into the Bitcoin dynamics. Just a couple of things:


While I agree people is bad with numbers and foresight, taking the $50 now instead of $52 next week makes sense. And it makes sense precisely because people is bad at foresight, therefore its better for them to have the $50 now, than to risk waiting one week and maybe have some development that changes the conditions and they dont get the $52. People know they are bad with foresight and economics in general, therefore they go for the secure option even when it might not be the best option long term. The point is that they dont have the capacity to judge, so its a good solution for them to take the money now.


This is a bad idea in the way you have expressed but its not that bad. It could be done by the private parties. F.e., TradeHill or MtGox could have their own Bitcoin initial package for download with all the tools to use their exchanges. Same with mining pools. But having the Bitcoin community or the main Bitcoin developers choose is a bad idea.

It acomplishes the same you are proposing but without the community or the developers having to pick winners and loosers.

FirstAscent/AyeYo you have resorted to taking to yourself. Are you feeling ok today? Maybe you can ask your doctor to increase your medication?

Yes! Housing bubbles for the win!

I guess the USA should invade Canada and Australia for using the word dollar as well.

[citation needed]

You might find Bitcoin unrealistic also because its not yellow and it can not be hold on your hand.

If using the three points means being Bruce, more than half the forum is Bruce.

Its this kind of ridiculous assertions from low count post members that make all the acusations look extremely stupid and basically an orchestrated campaign.

Then you had thought wrong and that is YOUR problem and not the problem of Bitcoin. Bitcoin members always stated the nature of Bitcoin and how under certain circumstances the transactions could be linked to the person. There is absolutely nothing new on what you are saying. It had all been said by the Bitcoin community already. You only have to see the reaction on the forums about your original blog post. The reaction was: so what? this was alredy known. The problem is that you are claiming the Bitcoin community was saying the contrary and its very dishonest from your part.

And the biggest problem is that I went to your blog post to point exactly this to you in a nice and educated way, but you keep going around with the same dishonest claims, so you are clearly doing it on purpose. If you are acting on good faith you should stop your claims that the Bitcoin community has publicited anything different. What you are saying is nothing special or new. It was well known.


Why not? If you really can prove it as you claim why not do it?

Its easier than that. You can moderate by not allowing coments claiming something without proof or citation, and even more important not allowing personal attacks (unless they can clearly proof what they are saying about the other forum member is true).

With those two clear rules you can get quite a good forum without having to limit the range of ideas someone can express.

And you are not going to get it because given my post its obvious what I was trying to say (and also you can guess my position). I wont play stupid rethoric games.

Watch out with that. There is a lot of people that disagree with the USA laws regarding minors and sex. In my country, Spain, the law states that its legal for a 14 year old person to have sex with and adult (consensual obviously). Most of the world except the USA has more lax laws regarding under-18 years old and sex. So you are going to find lots of people in the world, a big majority, that thinks that USA laws are stupid, including me. There is nothing exceptional on what Bruce is saying.

When I was 17 I started dating a 16 year old girl. When I was 18 and she was 17 we were still dating and having sex. It was my first important relation and one that me (and I believe her as well) will remember forever. Under USA law I would have been a criminal. Its stupid to ruin first relationships and put pressure on teens because of stupid laws.