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1021  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 27, 2012, 04:03:37 PM
Hey everyone,

Thanks for the interest in this.

@marcus_of_augustus: no I don't think it's a final draft. I believe @DutchBrat is submitting it to ZH to get their feedback on it to see if they would publish it, or perhaps prefer a different writing angle. If you know you can get any type article published that's awesome! We just need to figure out what that article should be.

My goal with the article was introducing Bitcoin, which is an immensely information rich topic, in a fairly concise way while piquing newbie interest to explore it. I was conscious of article length. Everyone is coming up with great ideas for what the article might contain, but remember it can't contain everything. Typical ZH articles seem to be fairly short. That's a reason I didn't suggest using @evoorhees's Libertarian Primer on Bitcoin which I loved, and is comprehensive, but I think too long for ZH.

So right now I'm thinking we see how this week progresses, what kind of feedback we get from ZH about a Bitcoin article. I'm really not familiar with their audience.
1022  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 26, 2012, 05:03:33 AM
okay i grant you all that bitcoin is something special. i guess i just don't see how the value inputs work if its value against fiat is insignificant.

What I'm saying is the value against fiat being insignificant would not always be the case.


i don't see the _bridge_, and i don't think that this is a flawed perspective, no matter how cool bitcoin is.

I think you don't see the "bridge" because you're expecting linear progression. What I've been trying to argue is that linear progression is not necessary for Bitcoin's success.

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the answer is only no because i would be hoping that someone would figure out the new fiat value conversion problem, someday, and because storage of them costs me nothing.

As long as the answer is 'no' it means you assign bitcoins some value even with a fiat rate of $0. That's all that matters.

Just how much you would be willing to part with them for is another matter. You might be willing to part with them for $1 per coin. And I'd be right there buying them from you. Some others (like me) would ask a much higher price to part with them, if they were for sale at all. That's because I consider bitcoins and assign value one way, and you do differently. The fact that we don't share exact same views is to be expected. That's how the world works, and why people make different decisions, for better or worse.

But it doesn't matter because there are millions, actually billions of people in the world; that's a lot of varying views where you can bet some number will lean toward the 'yep they have value' conclusion.
1023  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOW at the PAUL Festival in Tampa on: August 25, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
The Casascius physical bitcoins and the Bitcoin Magazine have been the top sellers so far!

That makes sense. Thanks for the update!  Smiley

Do people seem to have heard of Bitcoin?
1024  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 25, 2012, 06:21:01 PM
@paulie_w - perhaps it helps thinking of it this way.

Your original post talks about "destroying" bitcoin. I'm guessing you mean drive the exchange rate down to $0.

I argue that doesn't destroy bitcoin. Take this test.

I'm guessing you own some number of bitcoins now. Let's say 1,000 BTC. Let's also say tomorrow someone somehow crashes the market down to $0 per BTC.

Of course, with Bitcoin nothing is broken in a technical sense. You would still hold your 1,000 BTC. Answer this question honestly. With what you know about the Bitcoin project continuing on would you politely send ALL your BTC to my wallet for free? Since they are at $0 per BTC?

If you answer no, then they do have value, because you still want them. You probably understand full well that just because those 1,000 BTC might not have value now, doesn't mean they would always have zero value. Even if you couldn't presently exchange them for anything of value, the system is still intact. You would hold 1,000 of a global system totaling just 21 million. I don't think you, or others, wouldn't see the value in that.

1025  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 25, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
you really have to address the "if you don't hold it, you don't own it" idea.

if you alone have the private keys - you hold it. fullstop.

unlike gold certificates. precious metals are substituted with paper very easily because they are hard to use in actual transactions. bitcoin overcomes this barrier because they are made to transact.

Good point. That could be a concern among traditional gold bugs.
1026  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 25, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
You are viewing Bitcoin as if it fits into a classical economic model. It doesn’t. There will always exist a strong general tendency towards equilibrium in any economy but liquidity (in the form of stable price) isn’t necessary for an e-currency to survive because a national economy does not rely on it.

Exactly. I think people often see bitcoins as an either or proposition. They think either bitcoins have value in relation to national fiat, or they don't, meaning they are worthless.

In reality bitcoins have no problem existing alongside other currencies.

Whether people exchange bitcoins for fiat in various places, at various times, at various rates makes little difference in the long run. Bitcoins win when a large number of people have them, and that can come about different ways.
1027  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 25, 2012, 04:41:50 PM
Good example but where/how you get hold of bitcoins assuming you can't mine/earn them yourself? Unless you expect salaries to be paid out in BTC, which is not any time soon I guess Sad
To continue with your example... Let's assume I have two options for bed and breakfast
1) pay 10BTC
2) pay 50EUR
Assuming I don't have any BTC since my salary is in EUR and I don't mine either, I would need to exchange EUR for BTC. If the price for 1BTC was close to 8EUR i would pick the second (cheaper) option and pay in EUR. If the price for 1BTC was close to 3BTC I would pick the first option.
Convert your example to a vendor and client situation and you'll see that the stability of a currency has a strong influence in adoption.

We can NOT skip the comparison of BTC to fiat currencies as we're some 20-30 years away from the time that most transaction will be in bitcoins instead of fiat. And to get there we need people to start using it. A vendor accepting (now) BTC has to make the comparison since he can't pay all of his suppliers/costs in BTC. I client has to make the comparison since he's not getting his salary in BTC. If both have to check daily (or worse twice a day) the rate, they'll abandon the whole idea cause it will be too much of a hassle. And since the value that bitcoin has is how many people want to use it, you know what will happen if fewer and fewer people want to use it (as per the example above).

And unfortunately there is no magic switch from some-people-use-BTC to most-people-use-BTC in global scale. When we get to the point when EVERYONE uses bitcoins, then you're right! There is no volatility, but how do you suggest we get there without a fair price stability?

I agree with the OP, take a look at my post some days ago...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102184.msg1122874#msg1122874

Thanks for the question. Let me try to clarify.

You first ask: "where/how you get hold of bitcoins assuming you can't mine/earn them yourself?"

You may not realize it, but that is actually in support of bitcoins succeeding. The reason bitcoins have such a great opportunity to succeed is because they take full advantage of economic systems. Bitcoins are an effective, efficient currency, so they are not limited for how and why they can be exchanged.

Let's start from the original posed problem: intentionally engineered (or incidental) volatility of bitcoins compared to fiat which could discourage merchant adoption.

Say that's absolutely true. Merchant adoption would be hindered. What I'm trying to show is that "handcuffing" bitcoins in one way doesn't restrict them in all ways (thereby destroying them). That's the key. Again, think of my example.

Bitcoins are a voluntary currency. Nobody is forced to use them. Yet it's likely many people would if they thought they had value because bitcoins enable things fiat currencies don't - less costly usage, unchecked payment and transfer freedom, etc. They also can't be arbitrarily inflated. See the world's current fiscal crisis for why that's important. In other words, bitcoins can be considered the people's money, whereas fiat can be considered the government's money.

Guess which version is more economically powerful? Hint: there are more people than governments.

Right now fiat wins economically because it is what has the economic reins, so to speak. It's what everyone accepts, so that engenders value.

Let's say people acted on my suggestion for bed and bread. I agree it doesn't make sense if there is a more beneficial fiat conversion rate, as you indicate. But the original problem was eliminating a high conversion rate due to volatility, merchant hindrance, and decreased acceptance, and consequentially value, remember? I'm saying in such a situation bitcoin is not destroyed. People could offer the bed and bread for bitcoins.

Since bitcoins are the "people's money" the bed and bread paradigm could spread, globally. Forget merchant acceptance. People would want to be "in" on the bitcoin community experience. Imagine the unspoken extras from meeting new people, being welcomed anywhere in the world, while at the same time increasing bitcoin saturation/adoption. A currency gains power when it is well spread. It's that's simple. As you said yourself, to get bitcoins without mining or earning them you have to find other ways, such as trading items of value for them or providing direct work/service for them. That gives bitcoins value regardless of fiat exchange.

What if that kept going? If a large portion of world population now held bitcoins in this way? There are only 21 million bitcoins, yet billions of people. Gradually, bitcoins would be accepted for more and more things, like dental services for example. Did you see that current thread? It would only be a matter of time before bitcoins could be used for mainstream goods and services. Bitcoins win again - and bypass fiat exchange entirely.

I'm not saying I know that's how bitcoins will be successful. But it could be a way. There could also be some other way, or a combination of ways. That's the point. As I said, bitcoins simply exist ready for use, like gold. It only requires people pick it up and use it for currency, and that's where the value comes from.
1028  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 25, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Thank you for taking the initiative to get Bitcoin on ZeroHedge.  Some thoughts:

A large portion of the audience (or at least the commenters) are cynical goldbugs and preppers.  Although an article introducing Bitcoin might work fine on less ideological audiences, I think that you might be more successful if you do a more ambitious two or three-part offering (or 3-section article)  that, aside from introducing Bitcoin, also addresses up front the two main objections and misconceptions likely to come up from the commenter crowd.

1. Bitcoin vs. Gold
Explaining how they complement each other, why both are necessary under different scenarios like border crossings, confiscation resilience of Bitcoin versus gold, how the stupid objections to gold ('you can't eat it') also apply to Bitcoin and vice versa, pointing to George Selgin's work which correctly classifies Bitcoin as a new type of commodity.

2. Bitcoin in a Mad-Max no-electricity no-Internet scenario.
Check out the article "Bitcoin Under the Worst Possible Conditions" from the first issue of Bitcoin Magazine. The possibility of resilient peer-to-peer mesh networks.  Barter usage via Casascius gold/silver/bitcoin hybrid coins, Bitcoin paper bills, paper wallets, and other no-electricity physical bridges.  Etcetera.

But to be clear about these suggestions, even if you ignore or disagree with them, I'll still be grateful, any article is better than no article!

+1
It's Fight Club! I always imagine the commenters to be a roomful of Max Keisers but without morals. One thought I had was making the article into a dialogue -- even a fictional "Bitcoin versus Krugman" shakedown of Fractional Reserve. Where's Matthew N. Wright when you need him??

To the OP acoindr: it's a great start, and don't feel bad when people start ripping the draft to pieces. It's always easier to improve upon something than to lay the foundations yourself.

Yeah, no worries. That's what it's meant to be, a foundation to get things moving. I think there is definitely room for improvement. It's a bit patchwork as I pulled things from different places. I was trying to both introduce bitcoins to newbies and answer unasked questions in a fairly short and concise way. It's just a starting point.
1029  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 24, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
This is good.

I particularly like the "Bitcoin vs. Gold" angle. @DutchBrat and I are discussing sending in a draft to ZH to get their feedback, then possibly sending in a final article next week.

Great!  There's a lot of good material on the forum on the Bitcoin/Gold relationship, unfortunately it's dispersed across many threads (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100065.0), but hopefully it can be used as a starting point.  There's some very sharp Bitcoin-loving gold writers (e.g. Trace Meyer) who might be able to help out as well.  Not sure if Bitcoin Magazine has or is planning an article on the topic also, would be good to see one, and perhaps that could be leveraged onto ZeroHedge or viceversa, possibly whatever you write could also be published on the magazine.

Thank you again for taking the initiative to get something done on the ZeroHedge front!


Awesome! Yeah, I think ZH has a great audience to get Bitcoin in front of. Let's see what we can do. It makes no sense not to try!
1030  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOW at the PAUL Festival in Tampa on: August 24, 2012, 10:24:00 PM
I'm just thinking it's hard to know we have actual Bitcoin reps there standing by  Grin

Don't worry, we've got 3 of the bitcoin polo shirts from CryptoAnarchy.us that we will be wearing tomorrow and Sunday. We've also got Alison's sister in the booth.  There won't be any doubt that bitcoin is here.

Awesome!  Grin
1031  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 24, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
Maybe I can help explain what the OP Is getting at, because I do think he has a valid point.

One of the aspects of bitcoin that is temporarily discouraging to merchants is volatility in the price, which translates to currency risk. Over time as the user base grows I believe this will be less and less of a problem.

But what if the Fed wanted to cause some mischief by alternately buying up some large percentage of the available bitcoins and dumping them back on the market? It would induce more volatility in the price than there would be otherwise. Sure, it might cost them money every time they do this. Sure, they will probably not be able to sell them for what they paid. But they wouldn't care: they are the Fed, and they can print as much as they want. The point would be to induce the volatility and discourage or suppress the adoption rate of bitcoin.

And yes, I think they could do it a few times, until we all caught on to their game and started riding the wave.

You're still focusing on comparing bitcoins to outside currencies. If you use only bitcoins there is no such thing as volatility.

I'm saying that is one possible scenario under which bitcoin still succeeds. Does it mean a majority mainstream merchants accept it, ones that depend one other currencies? Possibly not. But it would still be accepted in some places by some people, for different things.

Let me give an example.

I'm going to call this example "bread and bed". Let's say bitcoin users begin promoting the idea of accepting bitcoins for bread and bed. (As I think this out, this may be good to actually do) This forum currently has a ballpark 500 bitcoiner users, spread all over the world. We could all agree to try everything in our power to offer anyone paying say 2 bitcoins a loaf of bread. This could be home baked, store bought, or whatever. We also offer 1 night accommodation for 20 bitcoins. This could be spare sofa, apartment floor, whatever, just a place to crash.

The problem is whenever people travel anywhere away from home is, unless staying with relatives/friends, they must pay for food and a place to stay. If bitcoiners put into practice the above it would result in hundreds (possibly thousands) of alternative places to receive food and/or shelter when away from home. That's valuable. That would mean bitcoins have some value, regardless of any external exchange rate. Now, what if the idea got popular and there was suddenly 10 million people participating - 10 million locations around the world that you could get those two basic necessities. Guess what? There are only about 10 million bitcoins TOTAL now in circulation. That's only enough for 1 bitcoin per person at those numbers... That means the value per bitcoin when measured against outside currencies would go UP, because the service has become more valuable yet there are limited bitcoins available. No other merchants need accept bitcoins. They would still have value. What if bitcoiners kept growing in number, 50 million, 100 million, etc. Get the idea?
1032  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 24, 2012, 09:58:52 PM
Thank you for taking the initiative to get Bitcoin on ZeroHedge.  Some thoughts:

A large portion of the audience (or at least the commenters) are cynical goldbugs and preppers.  Although an article introducing Bitcoin might work fine on less ideological audiences, I think that you might be more successful if you do a more ambitious two or three-part offering (or 3-section article)  that, aside from introducing Bitcoin, also addresses up front the two main objections and misconceptions likely to come up from the commenter crowd.

1. Bitcoin vs. Gold
Explaining how they complement each other, why both are necessary under different scenarios like border crossings, confiscation resilience of Bitcoin versus gold, how the stupid objections to gold ('you can't eat it') also apply to Bitcoin and vice versa, pointing to George Selgin's work which correctly classifies Bitcoin as a new type of commodity.

2. Bitcoin in a Mad-Max no-electricity no-Internet scenario.
Check out the article "Bitcoin Under the Worst Possible Conditions" from the first issue of Bitcoin Magazine. The possibility of resilient peer-to-peer mesh networks.  Barter usage via Casascius gold/silver/bitcoin hybrid coins, Bitcoin paper bills, paper wallets, and other no-electricity physical bridges.  Etcetera.

But to be clear about these suggestions, even if you ignore or disagree with them, I'll still be grateful, any article will be better than no article.

This is good.

I particularly like the "Bitcoin vs. Gold" angle. @DutchBrat and I are discussing sending in a draft to ZH to get their feedback, then possibly sending in a final article next week.
1033  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOW at the PAUL Festival in Tampa on: August 24, 2012, 09:45:46 PM
Any chance of a banner with a more prominent Bitcoin logo?

We have the bitcoin banner ON STAGE with all of the concerts and speakers.  That gets alot more eyeballs than our 10x10 booth Smiley

Yes, I just added an edit. Any chance of getting the banner size from the stage also on the back wall of your booth (or front of table)? Just so people can know to stop at the booth? I don't know the environment there of course, I'm just thinking it's hard to know we have actual Bitcoin reps there standing by  Grin
1034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOW at the PAUL Festival in Tampa on: August 24, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
Lookin good!  Grin

Just one small nitpick about the booth. It looks like if I'm walking by I'd think "hey, a BitPay booth, not sure what that is...". I wouldn't even see the Bitcoin logo if I didn't stop at the table. Any chance of a banner with a more prominent Bitcoin logo? By now many people may have heard of Bitcoin, so seeing the booth at the PAUL Festival could be a major call to action.

I'm thinking more like this:


EDIT: or maybe the banner that's on the stage also on the back wall of your booth.
1035  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 24, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
I have a ZeroHedge account, but have never used it to submit an article

I will look into it

It's worth a shot, but don't be surprised if they don't publish it or shoot it down completely  Cheesy

Really? Bitcoin seems made for their manifesto:

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our mission:

to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public.
to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial journalism has become.
to liberate oppressed knowledge.
to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.

Ah, well. It's worth a shot! Thanks Cheesy
1036  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [MARKETING]Get ZeroHedge to publish an article about Bitcoin on: August 24, 2012, 09:21:05 PM
Okay, I finally got around to completing an article for Zero Hedge. Please let me know any suggestions. Also, does anyone have a ZH account for submission? It looks like it takes 4 to 7 days for new account approval. If nobody has an account I'll create one there and submit. I hereby release this into the public domain. Please feel free to use as you like.

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Betting on Bitcoin

Word is getting out on bitcoins, a potentially world changing currency. By now many in tech circles have heard of Bitcoin, but still relatively few really know all about it. There isn't one easy-to-understand all encompassing guide. This results in misconceptions about Bitcoin which is complex, being both a currency and payment network for that currrency. To fully appreciate Bitcoin one really needs a good understanding of math, cryptography, computer networking, programming, economics, and the nature of "money". In light of that it's no wonder this open-source project is sometimes erroneously summed up as a "Ponzi scheme".

Still, many people around the world are betting Bitcoin will be around in the future. The bitcoin/dollar exchange rate has gone from a few cents in 2009 when Bitcoin started to over $10 per coin as of August 2012.

To answer what exactly Bitcoin is it's helpful to know several key things:

1. Bitcoin is not controlled by any central authority; it's completely decentralized
2. Bitcoins come into existence (as defined by the protocol, which everyone agrees to by using) through a process called "mining" which involves using a computer to solve a problem of varying difficulty
3. There will only ever be 21 million bitcoins generated; the problem difficulty is adjusted automatically so bitcoin creation follows a fairly stable and known inflation rate [1]
4. Bitcoins can be subdivided to 8 decimal places
5. Bitcoins obtain a value because people want them for different reasons, and they are scarce (the same way gold obtains value)
6. Bitcoins, if used properly, can provide anonymity for their use
7. Bitcoins can be used to transfer any amount of value around the world, almost instantly, by anyone, with little or no cost
8. The Bitcoin code has been reviewed by many qualified experts (it's open-source) and serious flaws, in terms of bugs, have yet to be found
9. It's unlikely any entity, such as a government, could entirely prevent the use or growth of Bitcoin without shutting down the entire Internet

With those qualities one may begin to understand the potential Bitcoin brings, but who is supposed to use it and how?

Bitcoin draws to it anyone wanting payment freedom. Bitcoin accounts can't be frozen, and anonymous payments are possible if precautions are taken. Bitcoins are also a global currency, so while their legal status is now in a gray area, should they ever be outlawed somewhere it wouldn't mean they were outlawed everywhere; that would put pressure on regimes doing the outlawing. 

More specifically, some Bitcoin users might be described as libertarian minded. Many of Bitcoin's proponents have even been called the digital equivalent of "gold bugs" because bitcoins work similar to gold as currency since they can't be arbitrarily inflated.

While it may not be easy to understand bitcoins, it's straightforward to use them. All that's needed is a standard computer and Internet connection to download freely available "wallet" software from sources like bitcoin.org. Wallets use cryptographic keypairs, consisting of a public and private key, for account addresses (e.g. 175tWpb8K1S7NmH4Zx6rewF9WQrcZv245W) allowing users to send coins to one another almost instantly. Ease of use is compared to sending email.

There are several ways to obtain bitcoins, including buying them, working or trading for them, or "mining" them. Mining is the term used to describe using a computer to solve the computational problem first and winning bitcoins, thereby bringing them into existence. Anyone can mine for bitcoins using software that is also freely available, but competition is now high. For many people it's easiest to buy bitcoins.

Bitcoins are now exchanged 24/7 for all sorts of things as would be expected of any currency. The web page at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade gives an idea of the type and variety of available goods and services there are for bitcoins.

As word continues to spread about bitcoins, and their adoption grows there is a good chance their value will continue to rise - not just compared to fiat currency, but also for the variety of things for which they are accepted. That probably makes bitcoins a very good bet.

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Total_bitcoins_over_time_graph.png
1037  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 24, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
@paulie_w - what you (and others often) fail to consider is there is no specific date by which Bitcoin must "succeed". There is no specific plan of adoption Bitcoin must follow. And I put "succeed" in quotes because that meaning can be subjective.

You might think if bitcoins don't provide you with measurable ROI in 5 years they haven't succeeded; or maybe they should be usable at your local grocery store by that time. I argue something different. I say Bitcoin succeeds as long as bitcoins are used by some number of people.

You can't "destroy" Bitcoin any more than you can destroy gold. Like gold bitcoins simply exist and are available for use.

Now, some of your arguments/concerns can be equally applied to gold - manipulating exchange rates and such. It's true gold, to be used as currency, has been pushed out of the market by external (I'd say conspiring) forces.

But has gold been destroyed? No. Can gold still be used as currency by people? Of course, at anytime.

While it may be possible to engineer attacks with purpose to cause panics on the Bitcoin exchange rate, what is NOT possible (short of shutting down the Internet) is entirely preventing the use of bitcoins. It's like that quote by Victor Hugo: "One can resist the invasion of armies; one cannot resist the invasion of ideas."

Anytime enough people agree to exchange bitcoins they have value. It's that simple. Any exchange rate is incidental.

Bitcoins, IMO, are more likely to succeed as currency than raw gold usage for several reasons: They are more resistant to oppressive governments than gold as they can't be confiscated. They are also easier to transact (including precision to 8 decimal places), easier to store, transfer, and use anonymously. Yet, like gold, they can't be arbitrarily inflated. It's only a matter of time before this reality is known by a substantial number of people. Again, you can't kill an idea.
1038  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paying a dentist using Bitcoins on: August 24, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Hmm.. What is it about Finland?
They drink a lot. It is well known that alcohol kills the weakest and slowest brain cells first, and one can only think as fast as his slowest cells can.

I'll drink to that!

See I smoke good cause it goes good wit dem flows - Outkast

See I drink good cause it goes good wit dem codes - Linus Torvalds
1039  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gigantic physical bitcoin on: August 24, 2012, 07:09:04 PM
LMAO

Awesome
1040  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paying a dentist using Bitcoins on: August 24, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
That's awesome.

Linux also = awesome

Bitcoin = awesome

Bitcoin = awesome in Finland (Vegemesta restaurant in Helsinki accepting Bitcoin)

Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux is from Finland.

Hmm.. What is it about Finland?
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