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1121  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Help build a better Bitcoin logo! on: July 03, 2012, 08:15:44 PM
    I agree the current logo is good.  I don't think it needs change, but I wouldn't be opposed to alternatives if it didn't stray far enough to be a complete rebranding.  I think trying to rebrand Bitcoin might not go over well, but it is possible for users&merchants to slowly transition from one logo to a similar-looking logo.

    I highly recommend 99designs.com as well.  I got my Armory logo done there (see my avatar icon, without the e^ipi), and I thought $300 was completely reasonable for the massive selection and amount of refinement I got.  You will have to have someone highly respected and trusted to manage the process (I'm looking at Erik), because it is a process:  designers will contribute tons of great ideas, and you need to constantly dig through them and rate and comment on those designs, so that designers can come up with further ideas, or refine existing ideas to the tune of what is desired.  

    I think even if you don't end up with a design that you like, you will get tons of ideas, and $300 is nothing for such a high-value project.  I'll donate 5 BTC for it.  

    A couple things to pay attention to, that I didn't think about before I got my logo done:

    • (1) It should be simple -- just because it looks cool doesn't mean it's memorable and distinct.  Consider google logo (just a 'g'), nike logo (checkmark), facebook, etc.   Very simple and effective.  No 3D skills are required.  
    • (2) One of my primary criteria for my Armory logo was that I didn't want it to be round, because if you look at your taskbar right now, you'll see that most of your existing applications use round logos/icons, and it to be distinct.  In the world of Bitcoin, that might be too much to ask for, because it will probably have a coin theme... but just a perspective to consider...
    • (3) My logo requires gradients to render the 3D properly, and that turned out to be a total PITA when it came to getting shirts printed.   I had to pay for full-color printing, even though it's only a couple base colors and I was only getting a tiny print on the left breast, and that increased the cost almost 50%.   This isn't relevant for just shirts, there's a lots of applications where full-color is inconvenient (getting stationary created, making signs, etc).
    • (3a) Extra credit:  the logo should also have the same essence when converted to binary-black-white (no greys), and still be identifiable when black-white is inverted.  This further expands where it can exist, and makes it even cheaper to include on Tshirts, signs, etc.  It doesn't mean that the base, hi-res design shouldn't have colors/gradients to it, only that it should still be identifiable and look good when converted to black-white.

    The current logo succeeds quite well at all those criteria, but as someone who has spent a lot of time in Thailand, I do disagree with its resemblance to the baht symbol (Thai money).  

    Just thought I'd pass along my own experience with this, since I had to go through the branding process 6 months ago, and have some experience now trying to promote my brand with a full-color 3D logo.

    [/list]

    Thank you for your giant list of pointers!

    I've gone through the design process multiple times with different projects and different designers. I'll do due diligence, don't worry!

    Thank you for your pledge.

    I'll also recommend 99designs.com. I've been through the design process multiple times with different projects and various (talented) designers as well, finally arriving at 99designs.com. It's no comparison.

    One designer may be talented, but just not have the best style for a particular project. With 99designs if you set a good award you'll receive designs from numerous talented designers. As you leave comments about designs you like all the other designers see it and start tailoring their work to that, not outright copying but putting their own ideas out.

    If you have a favorite/preferred designer you can also invite them to participate in the contest. The difference between design work and programming is you can get quality production (and changes) super fast. As long as you have a good award price top designers will not mind going for it.
    1122  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BITCOIN CHIPIN is here! on: July 03, 2012, 05:55:32 PM

    Feature request: List active widgets, especially those that have received contributions!


    +1

    +2

    Also, consider adding the tag line "Avoid PayPal fees!" as PayPal Business and Premier accounts are charged fees for regular Chipin as well as debit/credit card use, sending from outside U.S. etc.

    This can go a looooong way toward expanding Bitcoin awareness  Grin
    1123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm ready to buy with bitcoins on: June 29, 2012, 09:31:26 PM
    I mean, sure, there are cities with several hundred Bitcoiners perhaps.  But they are the absolute worst places in the US to try to build a small economy:  Boston and San Francisco.

    Why so? I think there is a growing separation of classes of people, and some might love the chance to jump into a new economy.

    Keep in mind Stockton, California, 84 miles from San Francisco, just became the largest U.S. city to file for bankruptcy.
    1124  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm ready to buy with bitcoins on: June 29, 2012, 09:17:16 PM
    It would be nice if the low tech way to transfer bitcoins were as follows:

    1. Be your own bank.  Instead of visiting an ATM and paying a fee to do so, use your bitcoin client to print some CASH.  (Said cash would have private keys as QR codes)  It would look like this: File -> Print -> Print Money -> how much to withdraw? I'd like 10 1BTC bills please... and they are deducted from your wallet balance as your printer spits them out, maybe four to six to a page.  You fold them or cut them out and put them in your wallet.
    2. Spend that Bitcoin CASH just like you spend fiat CASH.
    3. Someone with a smartphone app or a POS system would scan your cash when you present it to him, immediately transferring all the bitcoins into his wallet as digital BTC.  If change needs to be given, it could be returned on the same or on another bill.

    That's not what I call completely low tech as the person I'm paying needs a smartphone or similar.

    Now, handing over a Casascius physical bitcoin which only needed to be looked at to verify the intact hologram is the same level of tech as looking at current fiat bills. Super low tech would be something like that but hopefully more cost effective, without much markup.
    1125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm ready to buy with bitcoins on: June 29, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
    The question is, would you relocate in order to do so?

    I guess, in order to be more clear, what I'm saying is I don't think any large city has a real potential to produce a Bitcoin economy at this point.

    No, but I shouldn't have to. There are loads of people around me. There are also unemployed people around me. I have money and want to spend it on things as mentioned. I'm sure there are people willing to provide such things, they just don't know what bitcoins are or that I (and possibly many others) want to give them bitcoins for different things.

    In other words, some large cities already have a good supply of bitcoiners I'm estimating (and growing), so if local goods and services could be promoted a possible economy could begin to coalesce.
    1126  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People who like cash need to learn about Bitcoin on: June 29, 2012, 08:21:56 PM

    £700k is a lot for the Bitcoin economy at the moment but I think within a year there will be enough depth to buy thousands of pounds worth of bitcoins in one location and sell them for cash in your desired location. After only a couple of weeks localbitcoins.com shows enough traders to exchange up to £1500 cash in the UK for bitcoins and then sell them in Switzerland for CHF.

    If depth ever becomes significant per your prediction, bitcoin exchanges and perhaps even bitcoin transfers themselves will be regulated. £700k will have been confiscated, in cash or in bitcoins, for exactly same reasons. Don't confuse today's relative obscurity of btc with freedom from regulation.

    Governments can't stop Bitcoin because they will just be routed around. The only way to control Bitcoin is regulate/control all electronic communication between people. Good luck keeping that working.
    Government can't stop cash because it will just be smuggled around. Unless smuggling fails like in example above. The real question to ask here is why any government would want to stop btc. To regulate, sure, but stop? I can see why certain private corporations might want to stop it - dwolla, paypal, western union, etc.

    Well, they can't regulate it either. That's one of the key strengths of bitcoin is the lack of permission needed to use it.
    1127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / I'm ready to buy with bitcoins on: June 29, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
    Okay, so I've posted before about how bitcoin would really take off if used in a localized economy. The current economy is too disjointed to produce synergy and growth which feeds upon itself. Sure you can convert bitcoins to Amazon.com with spendbitcoins.com, or buy web related services, or other gadgets and gizmos but these are likely one-off purchases which lack continuity.

    I finally got around to looking in on SilkRoad. Now that's an actual small bitcoin economy. Regardless of my feelings toward drugs it was impressive to see walls of products listed with BTC. Not a $ in sight.

    So this post is a bit of a rant, and tossing the idea out, along with a request for service possibly added in. [rant]

    I just bought some chocolate chip cookies from the supermarket, chewy chip's ahoy. This is probably my 5th bag in a few weeks. Aside from being addicted to such cookies I have problems with this purchase. First, the price $3.29 with club member saving is ridiculous. But that's no worse than the $1.20 7-eleven charges me for a regular size snickers candy bar. Inflation is pretty apparent nowadays regardless what the govt. says. Second is all the crap I'm sure that's added in with the cookies so that they stay perfect for weeks during transit and then on a store shelf.

    The same thing goes for bread. Pricing is not so bad (yet) but I'm not happy eating additives I can hardly pronounce. Bread and cookies are a recurring purchase for me and I would love to buy them homemade locally for bitcoins. (bread is a staple for many people)

    Another thing: the other (hot!) day I was squeegy-ing my car windows at the gas station. They were really dirty and afterward I said "phew!" Quite a little job. I would love to have paid some labor seeking person instead for the job. I could just use my phone to SMS coinapult them over the payment to an email address.

    These are low tech goods and services I would happily pay for not to support bitcoins, but because I need/want them! Almost anyone could become "employed" in bitcoins by serving enough local clients. Add in the ability to pay with bitcoins at direct to farm vendors such as at localharvest.org and suddenly a person could actually begin supporting themselves without the dollar based economy.

    So the idea I'm sort of tossing out is a website focused on identifying local bitcoin goods and services, things like baked goods, car washes, haircuts etc. The cash exchange site localbitcoins.com shows there are definitely bitcoiners around me, even if sporadically. I think any major metropolitan area would have a shot at the beginnings of an economy coalescing.  [/rant]




    (vendors accepted bitcoins at PorcFest)
    1128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People who like cash need to learn about Bitcoin on: June 29, 2012, 06:27:44 PM

    £700k is a lot for the Bitcoin economy at the moment but I think within a year there will be enough depth to buy thousands of pounds worth of bitcoins in one location and sell them for cash in your desired location. After only a couple of weeks localbitcoins.com shows enough traders to exchange up to £1500 cash in the UK for bitcoins and then sell them in Switzerland for CHF.

    If depth ever becomes significant per your prediction, bitcoin exchanges and perhaps even bitcoin transfers themselves will be regulated. £700k will have been confiscated, in cash or in bitcoins, for exactly same reasons. Don't confuse today's relative obscurity of btc with freedom from regulation.

    Governments can't stop Bitcoin because they will just be routed around. The only way to control Bitcoin is regulate/control all electronic communication between people. Good luck keeping that working.
    1129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make physical Bitcoins? on: June 28, 2012, 03:24:14 AM
    @acoindr - Yes, you're right. I think this is too much for a mere bitcoinnewbie like me to get into any time soon.  Tongue

    It's up to you, but I also do advise people to follow their passion. If it's something your passionate about then do it. If something you're passionate about involves bitcoin definitely do it, you may even make money from it. Smiley

    Don't forget bitcoiners are probably inclined to support such endeavors.
    1130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make physical Bitcoins? on: June 28, 2012, 03:05:21 AM
    @ Rugatu - Feel free.

    @ acoindr - One possible solution to the trust problem might be to give out very small amounts for free, sort of like an offline faucet and as as people redeem them they'll see that they're redeemable. Alternately, people could check feedback on eBay and the like.

    That would just show people the ones released were redeemable. If someone was running a scam of course they would make the trap look like it wasn't a trap Wink

    The value of every single bill (or whatever) could not be questioned, otherwise people wouldn't accept the value of it, which is a key requirement for something being money. I think the best way to do it is like Casascius and attach a verifiable identity to the addresses used - someone to hold accountable.
    1131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make physical Bitcoins? on: June 28, 2012, 02:27:00 AM
    Of course the challenge of any physical version is convincing people the manufacturer destroyed the private keys and can't use them. I think Casascius physical bitcoins handle that well.

    Other than that the only real version of physical bitcoins would need to be electronic enabled somehow like the bitcoincard.
    1132  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Critical mass community on: June 20, 2012, 05:53:29 PM
    You know I thought about this earlier... perhaps going back to the community in North Carolina that was using the Liberty Dollar. They got shut down when the feds raided Liberty Dollar, but that couldn't happen with bitcoins of course...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1zf2ymYRwc&feature=related

    Maybe we should reach out to Kevin Innes.
    1133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: could bitcoin soon be recognized as a mainstream asset class? implications... on: June 13, 2012, 07:04:23 PM
    could bitcoin soon be recognized as a mainstream asset class?

    I doubt it. Unless the investment advisors are under age 27.

    What needs to happen in order for bitcoin to be recognized as a legitimate investment option for main stream international consumption?

    It needs two things. Understanding, and proven track record. The track record is being established, but the understanding will come too late for it to be considered by the mainstream.

    prudent investment advisers would not recommend their clients invest 100% of their retirement savings into bitcoin.

    I don't think any bitcoiners would either. Personally I'd highly recommend having some silver and gold too.

    However 2-5% of an investment portfolio invested in a new asset class 'p2p currency' seems reasonable.

    It would to us, but it would be a forward thinking investment advisor indeed that would also feel that way.

    When assessing bitcoin purely from an investment perspective most of us probably agree that it is a high risk / insanely high return investment.

    I agree about the insanely high return part, but I view the risk as moderate to high with it favoring the moderate side more with every passing day.

    If bitcoin can gain mainstream recognition as a legit asset class for the investment portfolios of working class people and hedge fund managers alike.

    That won't happen.

    Then I think international bitcoin remittances could become a huge, as btc value in a given region would presumably not be eroded by large quantities of incoming remittances if the local population recognized btc as a legit store of value.

    No value wouldn't erode, it would increase.

    Heck they might even start using it as a currency.

    People will do that, but it won't be because bitcoin is adopted by the mainstream from people beginning to "get it". It will be because it will be one of the de facto replacements for fiat currency in the not too distant future.
    1134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Zunguz.com - Social Banking - Bitcoin Competitor? on: June 13, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
    It's not a competitor to Bitcoin because it's not a currency. All it does is enhance the usability of existing fiat currency.

    Bitcoin improves (at least) two distinct problems:

    1. Inflation - Bitcoin eliminates this purchasing power robbing phenomenon virtually all fiat currency is destined to experience

    2. Maximum Transaction Flexibility - Bitcoin allows people to issue payments themselves without a middleman or gatekeeper. This significantly opens up the range of who they can pay, when, how, how much, and at what cost.

    Zunguz.com is advancing the existing paradigm of fiat currency, which unfortunately is now in its death throes. It's a good idea and the next logical step in money transfer, but it's betting on the wrong horse.

    It's not a Bitcoin competitor at all, but it is a certain PayPal killer.
    1135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 28, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
    Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

    I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

    But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

    From your wikipedia link:

    Quote
    In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

    Quote
    A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

    Quote
    Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

    I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.

    I misunderstood your original quote Tongue

    You said Faraday cages only work if they are self powered, and I took that literally, as in the Faraday cage had to be self powered. But you were talking about computers running bitcoin Smiley
    1136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 27, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
    Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

    I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

    But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

    From your wikipedia link:

    Quote
    In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

    Quote
    A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

    Quote
    Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.
    1137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 27, 2012, 06:04:29 PM
    Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
    But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


    Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards
    1138  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does one become a Bitcoin entrepreneur? on: May 23, 2012, 09:26:16 PM
    To succeed, you need a project that was not possible before Bitcoin occurred. This takes more creativity, but is crucial.

    +1

    Depends on what your definition of success is. 

    With Bees Brothers, we just wanted to expand (an already existing) little side business, and excepting bitcoins has increased our sales just enough that we don't want to expand much anymore...for now Wink



    Yes, I agree accepting Bitcoin is a great idea and can help the bottom line of any existing business.

    But the OP asked about becoming a Bitcoin entrepreneur, which I take to mean the business will primarily accept Bitcoin.

    Nice site BTW  Smiley
    1139  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does one become a Bitcoin entrepreneur? on: May 23, 2012, 05:34:01 PM
    To succeed, you need a project that was not possible before Bitcoin occurred. This takes more creativity, but is crucial.

    +1
    1140  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [ANN] 700,000 Cash Deposit Locations in Brazil, Russia, USA - BitInstant on: May 23, 2012, 04:14:55 PM
    I'm speechless. This is huge.
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