I also, very much like and think the idea of a mobile OS and even mobile phone range of ShadowPhones is both somewhat relevant and an attainable concept, longterm.
Yes I thought about a Shadow phone a while back. Probably the easiest way to do it is provide a mobile Android or Linux distro with all the garbage removed, a few useful things added (including the wallet), along with instructions for rooting a phone and a list of the phones it will work on. Then somebody else can go into the business of providing the prepared phones for those who don't want to do it themselves. Hey does anybody think there would be a market for an anonymous shipping service using Shadow? You send me Shadow and the package information, I send you a .PDF of a FedEx or UPS airbill that I paid for. That way neither the shipping company nor the recipient has any link to the person who actually shipped the package, providing it was dropped in a box or something similarly anonymous. Of course they would have a link to me, but I can prove I had nothing to do with the contents of the package, because I didn't.  +1 SDCDev was brainstorming about something like that weeks ago. You might want to send him a PM to pick his brain when he's back in IRC. |
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Can we get some moderation holy fuck i have gone 2days this place become shitstorm:))
Sebsebastian volunteered to take over from Soepkip as the project liaison so we'll have much better forum moderation and activity on Shadow's social media in the future. Soepkip has been dealing with some AFK issues and it's one of the reasons for his inactivity and the general lack of moderation. |
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Secure, Voice File and Video support is extremely relevant in todays age. I'm not comparing the two side by side becuase i think its unfair and i actually like the marketplace idea and would love to see it of course. However i think one is more viable and "doable" short term. And one is a bit much to chew off short term. One is a stepping stone to something as huge and complex as a marketplace, which is to me, looking like the project is trying to run before it crawls. I'm sorry if most of you misunderstood me saying its a gimmick. I meant only that its used as a gimmick by most projects. One that will never come to fruition. Kind of like stealthcoins' chandran signatures. The reason i'm appalled is because VFV support is extremely important as a base foundation for the core, in my opinion. Completing it as a means to communicate securely giving much more exposure to Shadows underlying tech sooner and without the inevitable stigma that is attached to any kind of theoretical decentralized marketplace. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/22/kim-dotcom-launches-encrypted-voice-chat-skype-killerTo me it makes sense to build one before the other. And to me, voice file and video seems more realistic given the devtime Shadow currently has up its sleeve. But thats just my opinion. Inevitably, i know the focus isn't going to change. I'm just confused how it went from being a concept one week to a priority the next. So in short we still agree on most things i only warned that SB is a bit much to go for, however im not keen to stifle it either  GL TR http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304591604579292222768536610I agree with you there. I think both concepts are valid (commerce and voice & video) and have a place in the wild. I just think that there are so many other projects working on secure voice and video with much more resources at their disposal that it wouldn't make sense to justify moving towards that direction when nobody is working on a complete anon commerce solution. According to a few articles I've read, the majority of people using online commerce don't use pgp to encrypt messages. Something like shadow and sbay can offer a turn-key solution for users while utilizing shadow's biggest strength - anonymous transactions. I would love to see a video and voice platform in the future something cool with like voice changers and image distortion but I think for the current milestone we would be better off with support the currency with a commerce ecosystem then introducing improvements to the chat at a later point when core issues have been worked out on both sides (currency and marketplace). Ahhh yes that would be great. And on the rest, i agree on the points you make except of course the priority But i cant argue against a vote already taken, i'm merely voicing my constructive criticism as you know can be quite blunt and misunderstood. I would hope to see the current PoS system upgraded asap and the mobile platforms on a better structured updating system along with the core dev team supported enough that they are motivated to clean up the core. I also, very much like and think the idea of a mobile OS and even mobile phone range of ShadowPhones is both somewhat relevant and an attainable concept. For sure, I agree mobile and PoS should definitely be priorities. We had a mobile dev inquire about building out the Droid and iOS apps last week so it'll be nice to see where that goes. The more devs the better imo. Once SDCDev is back from his trek I'm sure we'll be able to get the project moving in a positive direction and with the same progress as everyone has been accustomed to in the past. "I'm just confused how it went from being a concept one week to a priority the next." It kind of happened over the course of a week or more. Someone brought it up in IRC a while ago and the entire channel for the most part agreed that the marketplace was a far more important milestone for the space than the voice and video. Pop back in IRC and we'll make sure you get your Ops back  |
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Secure, Voice File and Video support is extremely relevant in todays age. I'm not comparing the two side by side becuase i think its unfair and i actually like the marketplace idea and would love to see it of course. However i think one is more viable and "doable" short term. And one is a bit much to chew off short term. One is a stepping stone to something as huge and complex as a marketplace, which is to me, looking like the project is trying to run before it crawls. I'm sorry if most of you misunderstood me saying its a gimmick. I meant only that its used as a gimmick by most projects. One that will never come to fruition. Kind of like stealthcoins' chandran signatures. The reason i'm appalled is because VFV support is extremely important as a base foundation for the core, in my opinion. Completing it as a means to communicate securely giving much more exposure to Shadows underlying tech sooner and without the inevitable stigma that is attached to any kind of theoretical decentralized marketplace. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/22/kim-dotcom-launches-encrypted-voice-chat-skype-killerTo me it makes sense to build one before the other. And to me, voice file and video seems more realistic given the devtime Shadow currently has up its sleeve. But thats just my opinion. Inevitably, i know the focus isn't going to change. I'm just confused how it went from being a concept one week to a priority the next. So in short we still agree on most things i only warned that SB is a bit much to go for, however im not keen to stifle it either GL TR http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304591604579292222768536610I agree with you there. I think both concepts are valid (commerce and voice & video) and have a place in the wild. I just think that there are so many other projects working on secure voice and video with much more resources at their disposal that it wouldn't make sense to justify moving towards that direction when nobody is working on a complete anon commerce solution. According to a few articles I've read, the majority of people using online commerce don't use pgp to encrypt messages. Something like shadow and sbay can offer a turn-key solution for users while utilizing shadow's biggest strength - anonymous transactions. I would love to see a video and voice platform in the future something cool with like voice changers and image distortion but I think for the current milestone we would be better off with support the currency with a commerce ecosystem then introducing improvements to the chat at a later point when core issues have been worked out on both sides (currency and marketplace). |
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Any news about the review?
when will we see the damn review
Hey Blazin604, good to see you bro. Hope the review will be soon. Might be a while longer though, as rynomster (SDCDev) said he was in contact with Isidor, and Zeuner had requested some more documentation on the system. I saw on IRC, ryno said that Zeuner wanted something similar to this for Shadow: https://github.com/minium/Bitcoin-SpecI guess it would help document things and make it easier to review. Although the code is there for review, this extra documentation might make reviewing things a little more feasible I'm guessing. Shadow does seem like a pretty complex and new system with a lot of code, so I'm guessing a review is no easy task. I know a lot of people are hoping to see it soon, but I think it might take longer than people expect. Anyways that is all the info I have on it, and I think nobody really knows when the full review will come out. I'm very interested to see how detailed it is going to be. |
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This project needs more devs and less of the gimmick crap... You all know i'm quite blunt and frank at times. I'll remain consistent and state an observation.
Gimmick is sneaking into this project...again.
The ShadowBay is not viable or feasible in the current state of its team makeup! Just be realistic about what you expect and what you encourage others to expect about that kind of gimmik crap this early. (My message to the community)
The team clearly stated it is looking into ShadowBay as an idea from the mass of the shadow community. But most people here, a week later started to change that story and started saying its happening within a month or so. (making me vomit) Personally i don't see it as something that will be viable nor will it be close to completion this year. Its a gimik that most projects tried to use to justify price increase. It was and has always been driven by communities who think they know what they want and need. And i fear that its a pipedream of most to become a launchpad to "the moon". It is not a launchpad in this case and never will be unless there is sufficient talent, resource and motivation to fund devtime to completion. Besides, the core is not even working consistently across all platforms yet.
Many of you may think we need it now but i argue that its fools errand and that we do not. You will burn out the current team then the project will die.... I will stake my life on that!
Ryno, Techno need and want more devs interested in the tech. Not the gimmick shit most of you want to justify a rise in value.
The focus here should be recruiting dev talent and appealing to them. Leave the gimmick wet fart to xc, xst and the rest of those trash communities please.
The review will be good but not for what most of you think it will be good for.. It should not justify some price rise... It will and should be considered to be ip added to the project. It should be considered as somewhat of a tarmac paved road for devs to understand and be exposed to the tech. This is great tech that not many people in this field know about yet. Professionals want white paper facts, stats and cohesive reports on the tech. They have no time for promises, gimmicks and communities of trader only, influenced decisions. The focus here should be dev talent and exposure not through gimmick but through cold hard stats and facts!
The cold hard truth is; I can easily tell that the devs are burnt out already. The tech is great and the future is possibly extremely bright. However, the project should be put into beta mode so that it is very clear that the wallet is not completely bug free. Which, as you all know, it isnt. There should be a dev entry point and i strongly advise time and effort be focused less on gimmick bullshit and more on crawling before we walk and by that i mean focus more on ryno, techno's support. They need more devs and the tech needs more debate and scrutiny.
There is to much pressure on them to serve the trader and not enough support for them to actually go back and refine what they already have so it actually works.
I'm appalled that the marketplace has taken place of file voice and video support. Kim Dot Com and the rest of the world is going to show you just how important and relevant that stuff is, to both devs and mainstream.
Anyhow..thats my rant. I just encourage you, the community, to go back and rehash this whole marketplace stuff and the expectations you are laying on it.
I and anyone with half a nut can see this projects foundations have not yet been finished. It wont handle any kind of weight and its fast becoming yet another house of cards; doomed to join ranks with the rest of the ditched projects that actually had potential in this space. Because, as you know, its insanity to see the same moves and decisions being made and expecting it to be any different to them.
Nice to hear from you Longandshort. Please enlighten me how voice and video is less of a gimmick than a marketplace where people can buy and sell goods or services. This is a currency project, a major component of currency is commerce.. not voice and video chat. There are plenty of options and projects that provide private voice communication and there isn't one currently that provides private commerce. In the original Bitcoin code Satoshi had a marketplace concept which was later taken out.. so one could assume his original vision was a decentralized currency coupled with a distributed marketplace. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21bdki/fun_fact_the_original_satoshi_bitcoin_code/https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5253d1ab77fab1995ede03fb934edd67f1359ba8Commerce with coins has been plagued for years by theft either from operators or hackers or a combination of operators blaming hackers to cover their own theft. Communication is key between parties and that can be handled with the current implementation of Shadowchat. Improvements to Shadowchat could be made like assigning user names to address and pubkey combos to ease the learning curve but I think for the majority of users text works just fine. The marketplace is also something that the community decided (IRC and SDtalk) should take precedent over voice and video not anyone on the team or any shitty trading group. While I do agree with you that core bugs should be a priority over everything else, I don't for one second believe that the marketplace is a gimmick or a futile attempt to increase the marketcap spurred off by traders. CRZ has been working on the marketplace experience for three months straight now refining it and developing it into a superior solution to OpenBazaar and other projects. Day traders will continue to speculate price and play with markets but that has no bearing on the progress made behind the scenes to establish an end-to-end decentralized commerce solution. The fruits of CRZ's labor will be released very soon. Something that goes beyond any of the competing privacy coins. There is no pressure on the backend devs with regards to the marketplace. However, Crz has been under a lot of pressure to deliver the marketplace but he is a perfectionist and good things come to those who wait for his work to be delivered. Countless competing projects have tried to buy CRZ away from Shadow and he's still here working. The only pressure coming at the SDC devs is working to provide cleaner documentation for future contributing developers. Multiple reviewers have asked for cleaner docs and the general community and prospective holders are waiting for independent review for the system. I personally don't look at the review as something to boost the marketcap but something to provide clarity and validation. If that validation comes then it is something that will lower the barrier of entry for future holders. If you're concerned with attracting developers to the project, St3Bas joined last month and he's doing an amazing job building new features, improvements and being active on the forums and IRC. He's a great addition to the core team.. Good documentation not only helps with bringing in developers but also helps with improving the existing framework by allowing higher level academics to peer review and suggest improvements. In my opinion, the current whitepaper was rushed out due to holder pressure and as a result the devs are busy providing docs and technical specs. Both the current reviewer and the CN reference developers have asked SDC devs for more technical specs for their review. I for one am glad to see that the core devs are actively working to that goal. The forum trolls will continue to attack to project, same with developers from competing projects. But at the end of the day their trolling doesn't mean shit and is a piss poor marketing attempt to draw people into their shitcoin investments or lower the entry into the SDC market. The project needs to ignore that and continue working to fix core issues, engage existing holders with support, provide updates for mobile applications and deliver the best distributed private marketplace experience. According to ffmad as of next week SDCDev will be more active here as his backpacking trip is winding down. I'm positive once he's back in the saddle again with reliable internet and electricity, the project's progress will resume back to pre-backpacking levels. Some of the concepts he's came up with for the project while in the middle of the jungle are awe-inspiring. For everyone who has stayed with the project during SDCDev's backpacking trip you're in for a wild ride this year. |
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ShapeShift.io has added ShadowCash to Instant Altcoin Exchange. Check it out at shapeshift.io |
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someone is in a hurry to get out of SDC. who knows something the rest of us do not?
Not "someone", but the big talkers, the loud mouths on this forum. Since the zk announcement, pookie and longandshort disappeared along with another few aggressive ones. They are steadily dumping. They appeared only when they thought there will be big gains for them trashing everything in their path and hurting shadow in the process. Zk implementation didn't rise the price for one reason or another so they are dumping. But that's good. This gives the chance to other traders to buy SDC and leads to fair distribution. Once these loud mouths - big holders are gone, only then Shadow will prosper. Shadow needs traders and newcomers. My respects to all the other members/traders. There was a rise in SDC's marketcap from the Shadowsend release and there was also a major dump that stopped it.. If you didn't know there was something like 300,000 SDC stolen from the IRC tipbot back in December and those coincide with the dumping from 40k down to sub 20k right after the tipbot went missing in action. |
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Regardless though, you've made your point that you aren't interested in technology innovations, just brand names so you're really not even someone who would be interested in using the coin outside of exchanging it for BTC. Hence your opinion on the matter doesn't mean much.
Cool story, bro. And with that, I'm going to stop promoting this copycat coin with a crappy name and bumping this thread. And yes, brand name matters more than whatever "innovation" is being provided on occasion. Cool response, bro. |
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I think this quote from smooth summarizes SDC rather effectively.
There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.
SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.
They call it "zero knowledge solution" though. Perhaps that is self descriptive. I didn't see "XMR" or "BCN" in the title of this thread. The shameless promotion "distills" the "essence" of your motives here. Interesting bit of information I found in the comment section of the recent SDC article regarding Cryptonote, which is why I'm glad SDC doesn't share it's codebase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#NSA_involvement"Darknote" is also a CN based coin in the top 100 Clearly from a reputable source: http://www.cryptobang.com/2014/10/05/what-nsa-created-cryptonote-forStuff the wiki has wrong: (1) Keccak was announced as SHA3 in 2012, BCN/CryptoNote was being developed in late 2013 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/10/keccak_is_sha-3.html(2) CN doesn't use Chaumian blinding (signature blinding) (3) Bitcoin implementations up to this point use non-deterministic k values, talk of using an HMAC to generate them has been relatively recent. You could make your own implementation that uses it though. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285142.0(4) "Being ASIC-resistant CryptoNote-based currencies can be easily manipulated by NSA possessing big computational resources." This is simply pure conjecturing I would reach out to them and get that corrected Tacotime. Should only take a few moments. |
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I think this quote from smooth summarizes SDC rather effectively.
There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.
SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.
They call it "zero knowledge solution" though. Perhaps that is self descriptive. I didn't see "XMR" or "BCN" in the title of this thread. The shameless promotion "distills" the "essence" of your motives here. Interesting bit of information I found in the comment section of the recent SDC article regarding Cryptonote, which is why I'm glad SDC doesn't share it's codebase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#NSA_involvement"Darknote" is also a CN based coin in the top 100 What is that supposed to imply? You do realize that the NSA has a hand in an extensive variety of cryptography research, right? You use algorithms and protocols developed with NSA funding on a daily basis. Furthermore, all of the things listed on that article are speculation. I'm not implying anything, you should contact the poster on wikipedia to find out what they are implying. Apparently that post is related to CN based coins not SDC. I'm simply saying I'm glad that controversy isn't related to SDC since it is Bitcoin based. |
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I think this quote from smooth summarizes SDC rather effectively.
There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.
SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.
They call it "zero knowledge solution" though. Perhaps that is self descriptive. I didn't see "XMR" or "BCN" in the title of this thread. The shameless promotion "distills" the "essence" of your motives here. Interesting bit of information I found in the comment section of the recent SDC article regarding Cryptonote, which is why I'm glad SDC doesn't share it's codebase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#NSA_involvement"Darknote" is also a CN based coin in the top 100 |
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Looks like https://www.coingateway.net/ is back up! I thought they went under there for a sec, but it looks like they were redesigning their interface. |
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Nevermind. I see the issue. Will be back up shortly. Thanks for the help
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Back online. Was a cryptsy issue not a shadowcash issue this time
Thanks for clearing that up and resolving the issue mullick. |
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If anybody is mad about Cryptsy's wallet being broken for months, and them telling people the coin is broken and needs a dev to fix it, please contact user "mullick". You can PM him here on bitcointalk, info here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99433Also it says he has an e-mail: mullick@cryptsy.comHe is the one in charge of fixing the wallets. We can also send e-mails to cryptsy, make support tickets, complain in trollbox, tweet, and warn others about Cryptsy's incompetence. Does anybody think it would be grounds for a lawsuit, since they are wrecking our coin, and hurting our investment by giving the appearance that ShadowCash is broken? Are there any lawyers in the SDC community that could draft a letter to Cryptsy? We don't have to actually take action, although we can, but mostly just to scare them into actually doing something to fix it. Is this a bad idea? The only thing broken is Crypsty's team. Some things never change though.. last year around this same time I had an ANC withdrawal that ended up taking about 3-4 weeks to clear. They've made enough $ over the last year + to where they don't care about their service actually working properly. |
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Thank you, that clarifies it then. People should then know that if they want to help the network the most, don't just leave your coins in Shadow. Keep changing into Shadow and back to SDC and back to Shadow many times to create more anonymous outputs.
No problem, anytime. |
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I have question about slide #6, from transcript: The Shadow tokens (SDT) are sent to dual-key stealth addresses which removes the link between the parties. it is not possible to determine which tokens have been spent, so all tokens remain in the Hodrchain as spendable outputs available as members 0! ring signatures for other token spends. Also slide 10: An ever increasing pool of outputs (tokens) are available in the ring signature The tokens remain in the system increasing the outputs for available ring signatures but cannot be used to create any new SDC without a traceable ring. Between 3-200 tokens of each value (ormsa member of a ring signature, which prevents anyone from knowing which token was spent or who signed the transaction. Doesn't this mean that it would be helpful for the network if we transfer from SDC to Shadow and back to SDC many times? The more times we go back and forth, then the more available outputs, which helps the anonymity of the network? I believe many people tried to help the network by transferring their SDC to Shadow and leaving it in Shadow, but would it be more helpful if they transfer back and forth many times? Also would a bot be helpful for increasing the anonymous outputs? From my understanding of the system it would be more beneficial to create more outputs then put it back into SDC versus holding Shadow. A) Shadow doesn't stake so the more people holding onto shadow the less people that are staking B) It creates a larger pool of tokens for future shadowsends |
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