Thanks for the kind praises! Much appreciated!

Feel free to sign up on shadowtalk, it only takes a few seconds We could always use another designer's input. The discussion platform there more modern than bitcointalk with real time updates you don't need to refresh the page. Plus you don't have to deal with teenager tantrums

Round two testing has begun for version 2! We've setup a testing thread that contains links to the new build as well as instructions on how to participate: http://shadowtalk.org/topic/265/public-testing-for-zk-shadow-round-2

Testing channel is #shadowtest on freenode IRC

If you any feedback or bugs related to testing, please post them on the test thread via sdtalk. It makes it easier for the team to track issues and provides a knowledge base for new users.

Thanks everyone.

First off, I'm not one of the devs. Since we're talking about development - what have you developed? You're quick to say this project hasn't developed anything innovative, yet the work here has spawned countless clones. I'd love to see what you've developed so I can understand what 'real' innovation is. Can you show us what code you've written that is being used in other projects?

You're the perfect example of who my previous post was directed at. The most vocal in criticizing the dev teams efforts, yet you bring nothing to the table. Try applying your negative energy to something positive like volunteering in your local community.

Hey Skaia,

The only quotes I've seen deleted are ones that are either blatant trolls or people quoting troll posts. I don't like my posts getting deleted either, but I've learned to stop quoting the trolls. This thread is for information and discussion related to Shadow it's not meant as a venting thread for some low life forum trash. There's plenty of places for people to do that already. Technical debate and healthy criticism is always welcomed here. If you've noticed there's a few people that post mindless gifs beside their baseless accusations that have already been addressed. That isn't criticism it's slander and has no place here..

Like I said yesterday who really cares about their constant trolling? Don't let it bother you, otherwise they win. Next time a troll comes in here just think of this:





It was an off day, had just returned from a snowboard trip xD I didn't mean to offend anyone here, I just think we could use more pro-activeness in the community.

Our team is working non-stop on wide array of improvements to Shadow, not isolated to anon. To be clear with everyone here the upcoming update isn't just a zk update, it's a complete overhaul of the core. Our devs decided to take the time to improve the overall experience rather than just make a privacy update. IMO, this was the best long term decision for the project and a sign of software development experience.

People complaining about the price and lack of updates from the team should ask themselves what they themselves are doing for the project. This is a community project so everyone should be putting in their own effort to learn about Shadow and the market it is aiming to serve. This project needs proactive believers not day traders.

If you have any type of skill that you can bring to the table then contribute. If you have free time on your hands try some organic backlinking in relative articles. There's a laundry list of things you can do to help spread awareness about the project besides making complaint posts here and on shadowtalk. If you have a problem with the price do something about it. Be proactive. Imagine if just 5 people within our community spent as much time backlinking as our devs spend writing code.. imagine how many people would know about Shadow.


A couple things:

Our team works for Shadow not any single investor. Our goal is to build the best possible currency platform on the market. We don't need to update every few days and hold your hands. Look at the deliverables and you can see that the team is more than qualified to handle that task. Historically our team updates with real updates not trivial ones. Personally, I'd rather have our devs writing code than writing updates every couple of days. Seems like a distraction especially when you're in the zone.

Our team so far has been internally funded - meaning that there has been an complete absence of donations. If you're that passionate about the project (enough to complain here) and are financially able then chip in to help support the team. I find it insulting that people criticize the team, when they themselves aren't bringing anything to the table. Showing your appreciation for all the hours of work is a small gesture but goes a long way.

http://shadowtalk.org/topic/11/donation-list-of-donation-addresses

As far as the trolling goes: Who really cares? Some overweight low life forum trash with the mental capacity of a 12 year old decides to post some bullshit on here from his parents basement and people get upset. Its the equivalent of a welfare recipient attempting to advise you on your financial portfolio. If you take advice from someone like that then you need to reassess your investment strategies.

The devs are busy with the zk update and improvements to Shadowcore, but that doesn't mean the community can't start contributing to decentralized marketplace development. Feel free to leave your feedback for the feature request here: http://shadowtalk.org/topic/268/shadybay-decentralized-shadowcash-marketplace-listings-and-exchange

If the concept interests anyone in the community we should start a donation drive to get it done.

SDC multi-pool: https://www.shadowpool.info/

I'm not sure if I would call it fud. It just seems like his calculations were off, which is an honest mistake. Plus the exchange addresses don't really help either to display the correct number of addresses and corresponding coins.

Total number of coins in circulation (6.4M) are shown here http://sdc.blockexplorer.cc/stats/

Top addresses seem to be the exchanges. So the number of addresses on the richlist aren't correct. We need more people staking than leaving their coins on exchanges. Didn't anyone learn anything from mt gox and mintpal?

Hey Automatic Monkey,

Thanks for the input. I would suggest creating a feature request on Shadowtalk. It's easier for the team to consider improvements when they are easier to find. Feedback via bitcointalk posts tend to get lost because it's one giant thread.

http://shadowtalk.org/category/5/feedback-feature-requests

Thanks! You're still very early, things are just getting started here.

I've made a feature request for a client installer that would probably help with the initial install. Everyone feel free to give feedback or piss on it: http://shadowtalk.org/topic/260/shadow-installer

The short answer - yes.

Long answer: http://shadowtalk.org/topic/262/is-zk-the-holy-grail-of-anonymity

Thanks for the links dasource!

Well said illodin. One of the main issues plaguing the space right now is the professional sports mentality.. people think this is a hockey match between projects, but it's actually an arms race against the old system. A collaboration between like-minded projects benefits the cypherpunk movement as a whole; in-fighting between legitimate projects only helps slow down the rate of change. I think a good first step would be to form a multi-project forum or network for all cypherpunk projects and distance ourselves from the scamming, fudpacking and general negativity here on bitcointalk. It's one way that the movement can grow in a positive direction.

People in the hockey mentality would do well to refresh themselves on the origins of anonymous crypto:

"A specter is haunting the modern world, the specter of crypto anarchy.

Computer technology is on the verge of providing the ability for individuals and groups to communicate and interact with each other in a totally anonymous manner. Two persons may exchange messages, conduct business, and negotiate electronic contracts without ever knowing the True Name, or legal identity, of the other. Interactions over networks will be untraceable, via extensive re- routing of encrypted packets and tamper-proof boxes which implement cryptographic protocols with nearly perfect assurance against any tampering. Reputations will be of central importance, far more important in dealings than even the credit ratings of today. These developments will alter completely the nature of government regulation, the ability to tax and control economic interactions, the ability to keep information secret, and will even alter the nature of trust and reputation.

The technology for this revolution--and it surely will be both a social and economic revolution--has existed in theory for the past decade. The methods are based upon public-key encryption, zero-knowledge interactive proof systems, and various software protocols for interaction, authentication, and verification. The focus has until now been on academic conferences in Europe and the U.S., conferences monitored closely by the National Security Agency. But only recently have computer networks and personal computers attained sufficient speed to make the ideas practically realizable. And the next ten years will bring enough additional speed to make the ideas economically feasible and essentially unstoppable. High-speed networks, ISDN, tamper-proof boxes, smart cards, satellites, Ku-band transmitters, multi-MIPS personal computers, and encryption chips now under development will be some of the enabling technologies.

The State will of course try to slow or halt the spread of this technology, citing national security concerns, use of the technology by drug dealers and tax evaders, and fears of societal disintegration. Many of these concerns will be valid; crypto anarchy will allow national secrets to be trade freely and will allow illicit and stolen materials to be traded. An anonymous computerized market will even make possible abhorrent markets for assassinations and extortion. Various criminal and foreign elements will be active users of CryptoNet. But this will not halt the spread of crypto anarchy.

Just as the technology of printing altered and reduced the power of medieval guilds and the social power structure, so too will cryptologic methods fundamentally alter the nature of corporations and of government interference in economic transactions. Combined with emerging information markets, crypto anarchy will create a liquid market for any and all material which can be put into words and pictures. And just as a seemingly minor invention like barbed wire made possible the fencing-off of vast ranches and farms, thus altering forever the concepts of land and property rights in the frontier West, so too will the seemingly minor discovery out of an arcane branch of mathematics come to be the wire clippers which dismantle the barbed wire around intellectual property.

Arise, you have nothing to lose but your barbed wire fences" - Timothy C. May (1992) http://activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html

Be careful some of these mindless trolls will follow you back to your project's thread and attack you for using reason and logic.

It's standard.. price and volume go up then out come the shills. It's simple just click *ignore = problem solved. Otherwise you get this:

Any time my friend. Glad to have you here!

Hey godzirra,

The project's lead developer is sdcdev aka rynomstr. We have around 5 other devs all contributing to the project in different capacities with the addition of another dev/cryptographer who is in the process of joining the project. A couple of our devs also double up as graphic designers.

SDC Dev team:
rynomstr, tecnovert, ffmad, crz-, ludx,

We also have some part time foreign community managers that help with translations and posting Shadow updates to various markets: Russian, Indian, Chinese and Spanish. More proactive members include SebSebastian and Soepkip who handle our community management here and on reddit/facebook. Longandshort hosts and maintains Shadow's wiki page. Smurf and Kamui do tons of daily SDC giveaways in the IRC channel #shadowcash.

Personally, I'm not a fan of proof of developer.. IMO the only real "PoD" is proof of delivery/development. If you look at Shadow releases they've all been firsts for crypto: Dual Key Stealth Addresses, mobile staking, PoS-SPV and HTML5 client. Ryno also developed the first network leveraged EM system with his bounty work at CINNI. That being said here is the Proof of Developer Rynomstr did with cryptoasian - http://cryptoasian.com/sdc-shadowcoin/

As this is a privacy based project we would hope the community would respect the privacy wishes of the dev team. The Shadow project is community ran and anyone is more than welcome to contribute whatever skills they have be it marketing, development, design, etc. A few of us help out with various tasks like pm, materials, editing, pr, marketing - basically anywhere we can help out the project. A few holders have recently stepped forward to help contribute to the project with SEO and SEM. I'm definitely looking forward to see the community grow and be more proactive

I'm glad to have you on board my friend. I was an early DRK investor myself so it's nice to both communities appreciating each others work. Historically, the only successful long-term projects have had technical founders, so I was relieved when I spoke to Rynomster the first time I got here. If you have any questions or concerns feel free to join us in #shadowcash on freenode irc or #shadow on anonops.