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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: April 17, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Pornhub is not the partner, info can be found on vergefam twitter....... but its only of its payment processors.... check and you will see only 2..... which 1 will it be lol
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: April 08, 2018, 08:51:38 AM
I hope trex and Binance will shutdown verge market soin.

that won't happen, why wish for such a thing.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 07, 2018, 04:58:17 AM
So the big partnership will be with a great miner that managed to mine over 80 mil XVG in a day  Grin


so wrong lol.... please go back and re-read to get more accurate info.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: April 06, 2018, 02:22:14 PM
sharing this from grant hunter.... worth the read.

VERGE XVG ‘MINING ATTACK’ UPDATE:

This has just been shared with The Crypteia Program, and after a lengthy conversation with Michael Sloggett earlier, we all decided it was very important to release this to the wider community as part of a unified message.

This is the facts as much as we know them at this stage, it is up to you to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and plan accordingly.

In terms of trading, Verge XVG has been trading epically since the news about the upcoming industry partnership: It has a huge, dedicated following and gets the volume needed to trade and make serious gains. It’s been traded very technically; hitting the fibs, support, resistance and trend lines.

Unfortunately, this attack on Verge’s blockchain exploits a flaw in the code, so that the person who is attacking, has effectively taken over the blockchain, and made the original one obsolete for the time being.

As of this morning, the vulnerability is still there and there have been two main attacks:

1- Blocks 2007365 - 2010039 = 2674 blocks.
Rounded down to 2500 @ 1560 XVG per block = approx 3.9 million XVG
2- Blocks 2014060 - 2026196 = 12,136 blocks
Rounded down to 10k @ 1560 XVG per block = approx 15.6 million XVG

This gives a conservative estimate of 19.5 million XVG

As stated previously, this attack exploits a flaw in the code which XVG uses to switch between each one of the 5 algorithms it uses for mining. For every new block to be mined, the algorithm must be switched, and all 5 must be used in rotation. (This is something that other coins like Myriad and Digibyte use. They have also been attacked in a similar way in the past, and have fixed their issues - although they were experiencing much less volume at the time as what Verge is now).

The exploit itself is very smart. The attacker has used the flaws in Verge’s code to put an older timestamp on their fake blocks to trick the network into thinking that the fake chain is the real one, by having this broadcast to over 51% of the nodes. They have gained consensus, effectively taking control of the XVG chain. This has meant that the ‘real’ blocks being mined by legitimate miners, are seen as the false ones, and therefore are ignored (orphaned).

The reason why trading is still possible, is because the ‘fake’ chain is still verifying transactions so people can still trade the coin, however, the attacker is adding extra blocks and making extra free XVG for themselves.

This is a summary of events of how this situation has been handled by OCMINER and Sunerok of Verge during this situation:

1) OCMINER (Supernova Mining Pools) approached verge dev team in their discord group after noticing the issue in their pool.
2) This was unsuccessful, and nothing was taken further at that stage by the verge dev team.
3) OCMINER then posted details of the attack onto Bitcointalk.org, in order to alert the wider mining community of the attack.
3) Verge dev then got involved, and attacked OCMINER for advertising the issue and making the problem worse.
4) Verge dev then attempted to fix the issue by copying and pasting a fix for Peercoin into Verge.
5) This piece of code had a flaw which wasn’t picked up on and this caused the issues yesterday where wallets wouldn’t sync, and the real blocks were still be ignored by the chain.
6) A new fix was suggested by OCMINER to Verge Dev, which included:

- New code to fix the flaw (from DGB - which would need to be merged with Verge’s code in the correct places as they are slightly different).
- A method to blacklist the malicious addresses - meaning the attacker could no longer use the coins they falsely mined.

7) During this time there has been a private discussion between OCMINER and Sunerok, which was fairly heated at times, and saw no resolution between the two.

At this stage, there has been no fix implemented. The vulnerability is still open and the attacker still controls the longest chain.

FYI - Attacks, hacks and exploitations are very common. These have been going on since the late 70’s when UK and US intelligence agencies invented cryptography as a way to communicate secretly with each other. This situation should be seen as a good thing - simply for the advancement that it leads to. After every attack, the code is made stronger, however:

The most important part of this type of situation is how the dev team respond to it, because it has the potential to cause havoc. Both in terms of public perception (trust) of Cryptocurrency, and for Verge itself.

Remember there are two sides to this market - the facts and the PR. Verge is a PR machine, and its following is fanatical in its belief of the project. Up to now, the PR is working, and the price hasn’t been too negatively affected. One reason for this is that most of the comments about on this attack on Verge social media (twitter / reddit) are being censored by Verge, and the information being put out by Verge isn’t wholly accurate in terms of the seriousness of the matter.

With the upcoming announcement of the ‘new industry partnership’ being rumoured as being a German Bank, this issue if not resolved effectively, could lose them the partnership and reduce public trust in both crypto and Verge, simply because it will be seen as another failure.

In terms of the actual privacy of the coin, the maliciously mined coins can be tracked using a blockexplorer - bringing into question the legitimacy of the how private the blockchain currently is.

I have absolutely no idea which way this will go - either way it’s not good.

There is potential for it to be fixed and with the strength of the Verge community, the price of the coin could still maintain its action in the run up to the partnership announcement.

There is equally as much chance that this could implode bringing Verge to its knees and seeing a mass sell off of the coin, leaving many out of pocket.

My aim with posting this is to inform and give everyone the opportunity to look into this further themselves, make whatever decisions they want regarding any Verge XVG they currently hold.

This post is a summary of the thread linked below and all details of this situation are there, with all links to relevant sites to verify the information given. Please look into this further, and learn as much as you can, so you are as informed as you want to be:

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 06, 2018, 01:56:27 PM
I've mined some XVG and holding a few ... just to see if the partnership and the talk was true and big as it was mentioned.

But to be honest...I'm glad and proud to be a strong DGB holder after seeing all of this. Even if there marketing isnt that great right now and they don't hype anything they do.
It's by far the best coin outside and far ahead of all other... with the time people will realize that professional work will always take the best results.

Just wait and believe, 2018 is the year of DGB.




please enough with the DGB shills lol... so many shills everywhere

oh as a side note, dgb went through the same kind of attack once upon a time.

Fuck other coins, great time to be shilling here... but usually things are handled more professionally. Cmon, This has happened before. Why is this handled poorly? No real feedback from dcd dev? wtf. Ocminer was probably your best chance dude. Shows how incompetent you are, trying to hush things up... you so much believe in privacy/Decentralization/freedom of speech etc. (banning people because they question your code shouldn’t be part of that)  full of shit mate. All for the dollar, obviously.

one your a newbie so i take your "words" with a literal grain of sand, and do i look like the dev to you lmao?

this is not the place to be shilling other coins, its to discuss the issue currently surrounding verge, but like usual seems to have brought all the cancer out into the open, which i am not surprised about.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 06, 2018, 12:56:53 PM
I've mined some XVG and holding a few ... just to see if the partnership and the talk was true and big as it was mentioned.

But to be honest...I'm glad and proud to be a strong DGB holder after seeing all of this. Even if there marketing isnt that great right now and they don't hype anything they do.
It's by far the best coin outside and far ahead of all other... with the time people will realize that professional work will always take the best results.

Just wait and believe, 2018 is the year of DGB.




please enough with the DGB shills lol... so many shills everywhere

oh as a side note, dgb went through the same kind of attack once upon a time.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 06, 2018, 12:31:24 PM
sharing this from grant hunter.... worth the read.

VERGE XVG ‘MINING ATTACK’ UPDATE:

This has just been shared with The Crypteia Program, and after a lengthy conversation with Michael Sloggett earlier, we all decided it was very important to release this to the wider community as part of a unified message.

This is the facts as much as we know them at this stage, it is up to you to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and plan accordingly.

In terms of trading, Verge XVG has been trading epically since the news about the upcoming industry partnership: It has a huge, dedicated following and gets the volume needed to trade and make serious gains. It’s been traded very technically; hitting the fibs, support, resistance and trend lines.

Unfortunately, this attack on Verge’s blockchain exploits a flaw in the code, so that the person who is attacking, has effectively taken over the blockchain, and made the original one obsolete for the time being.

As of this morning, the vulnerability is still there and there have been two main attacks:

1- Blocks 2007365 - 2010039 = 2674 blocks.
Rounded down to 2500 @ 1560 XVG per block = approx 3.9 million XVG
2- Blocks 2014060 - 2026196 = 12,136 blocks
Rounded down to 10k @ 1560 XVG per block = approx 15.6 million XVG

This gives a conservative estimate of 19.5 million XVG

As stated previously, this attack exploits a flaw in the code which XVG uses to switch between each one of the 5 algorithms it uses for mining. For every new block to be mined, the algorithm must be switched, and all 5 must be used in rotation. (This is something that other coins like Myriad and Digibyte use. They have also been attacked in a similar way in the past, and have fixed their issues - although they were experiencing much less volume at the time as what Verge is now).

The exploit itself is very smart. The attacker has used the flaws in Verge’s code to put an older timestamp on their fake blocks to trick the network into thinking that the fake chain is the real one, by having this broadcast to over 51% of the nodes. They have gained consensus, effectively taking control of the XVG chain. This has meant that the ‘real’ blocks being mined by legitimate miners, are seen as the false ones, and therefore are ignored (orphaned).

The reason why trading is still possible, is because the ‘fake’ chain is still verifying transactions so people can still trade the coin, however, the attacker is adding extra blocks and making extra free XVG for themselves.

This is a summary of events of how this situation has been handled by OCMINER and Sunerok of Verge during this situation:

1) OCMINER (Supernova Mining Pools) approached verge dev team in their discord group after noticing the issue in their pool.
2) This was unsuccessful, and nothing was taken further at that stage by the verge dev team.
3) OCMINER then posted details of the attack onto Bitcointalk.org, in order to alert the wider mining community of the attack.
3) Verge dev then got involved, and attacked OCMINER for advertising the issue and making the problem worse.
4) Verge dev then attempted to fix the issue by copying and pasting a fix for Peercoin into Verge.
5) This piece of code had a flaw which wasn’t picked up on and this caused the issues yesterday where wallets wouldn’t sync, and the real blocks were still be ignored by the chain.
6) A new fix was suggested by OCMINER to Verge Dev, which included:

- New code to fix the flaw (from DGB - which would need to be merged with Verge’s code in the correct places as they are slightly different).
- A method to blacklist the malicious addresses - meaning the attacker could no longer use the coins they falsely mined.

7) During this time there has been a private discussion between OCMINER and Sunerok, which was fairly heated at times, and saw no resolution between the two.

At this stage, there has been no fix implemented. The vulnerability is still open and the attacker still controls the longest chain.

FYI - Attacks, hacks and exploitations are very common. These have been going on since the late 70’s when UK and US intelligence agencies invented cryptography as a way to communicate secretly with each other. This situation should be seen as a good thing - simply for the advancement that it leads to. After every attack, the code is made stronger, however:

The most important part of this type of situation is how the dev team respond to it, because it has the potential to cause havoc. Both in terms of public perception (trust) of Cryptocurrency, and for Verge itself.

Remember there are two sides to this market - the facts and the PR. Verge is a PR machine, and its following is fanatical in its belief of the project. Up to now, the PR is working, and the price hasn’t been too negatively affected. One reason for this is that most of the comments about on this attack on Verge social media (twitter / reddit) are being censored by Verge, and the information being put out by Verge isn’t wholly accurate in terms of the seriousness of the matter.

With the upcoming announcement of the ‘new industry partnership’ being rumoured as being a German Bank, this issue if not resolved effectively, could lose them the partnership and reduce public trust in both crypto and Verge, simply because it will be seen as another failure.

In terms of the actual privacy of the coin, the maliciously mined coins can be tracked using a blockexplorer - bringing into question the legitimacy of the how private the blockchain currently is.

I have absolutely no idea which way this will go - either way it’s not good.

There is potential for it to be fixed and with the strength of the Verge community, the price of the coin could still maintain its action in the run up to the partnership announcement.

There is equally as much chance that this could implode bringing Verge to its knees and seeing a mass sell off of the coin, leaving many out of pocket.

My aim with posting this is to inform and give everyone the opportunity to look into this further themselves, make whatever decisions they want regarding any Verge XVG they currently hold.

This post is a summary of the thread linked below and all details of this situation are there, with all links to relevant sites to verify the information given. Please look into this further, and learn as much as you can, so you are as informed as you want to be:
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 06, 2018, 03:33:11 AM
@OCminer i think its time to close this thread down or atleast lock it.... pretty sure there is more then enough shite flowing now the cleanup is going to take awhile.

Why? I'am pretty sure there are a lot of other miners still interested in all that info .... And the hack is still actual, not?
As long as the issue is NOT finally fixed this thread should not be locked or closed!

locking the thread will slow down the amount of abuse getting thrown around towards devs and OCminer. the info is there for all to see and no longer needs multiple newbie shills/trolls/haters repeatedly commenting on how its a shitcoin etc.... nothing constructive just shills or hate... when it gets to that point the thread should be locked.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 06, 2018, 03:04:36 AM
That's what happens when an independent code audit is not performed. I sold my Verge.

cheers for selling into my buy orders ^_^.....

once this blows over verge will climb and fall again a few more times over.... profits to be made lol. @OCminer i think its time to close this thread down or atleast lock it.... pretty sure there is more then enough shite flowing now the cleanup is going to take awhile.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 11:03:13 PM
the blood and sh*t from newbie account is really free flowing today lol.....

Serena is a part of Dero team, so junior status is irrelevant here. Wink

part of the dev team or not, no1 takes what newbies has to say at any real value. especially with so many new accounts coming to talk shit and shill verge... its just a literal bloodbath of newbie blood n shite...

yup shite hit the fan, devs went around it the wrong way, a fix is being released end of story, if OCminer wants to shut down his pools he can, others will take his place. things always get worse before it tends to get better. surprised the price as actually held up as well as it has given the current situation thou.

As i previously stated this is hardly the first time nor the last time this kind of stuff will happen.... kinda ironic that verge gets hit with a shit storm everytime it trys to moon thou....
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
the blood and sh*t from newbie account is really free flowing today lol.....
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 06:28:06 AM
here is the best piece of advice i can give to anyone.... BUY THE FN DIP!!!!....
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 05:55:37 AM
How does this thread have 12 pages of replies when it was literally just 24 hours old.

I believed in XVG a lot, thought it would surpass Monero and TRTL. But now I'm not so sure.

This seems like a significant problem and no other coin has experienced this.

I'm just wondering, but how many coins did the malicious miners get to mine with these 1-second blocks? If it's like a million verge or something... then wow Cheesy maybe we should all exploit this!

If Sunerok doesn't think it's a big deal Cheesy then that means it's okay right? And the instructions are right there in OP. Is there really a difference between maliciously mined coins and legitimately mined coins? Aren't they both the same coins? If so, then...


really this kind of thing has never happened before? is that what you really think lol?

this has happened many times with so many different coins.... please do research before making such assumptions.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 05:30:01 AM
Can someone elaborate whats happening. ExplainLikeim5. Thanks =)

Your best to read through the whole post to get a good understanding of what has happened.

On another note, this is hardly the first crypto to be hit like this and most probably won't be the last..... don't really see why people are freaking out so badly.... shit happens like this all the time.... Welcome to crypto.

Stop being so nonchalant. You're behaving like Sunerok. It's actually quite a big deal.

clearly you have not been in crypto that long lol..... i am not going to panic or worry.... a fix will be released as it has always been done with soo many different crypto coins. i have seen this happen so many times and everything has always recovered at the end of the day, may take weeks or months but it eventually recovers. the team is working on a fix just like many other coin devs did...
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE on: April 05, 2018, 04:44:14 AM
Can someone elaborate whats happening. ExplainLikeim5. Thanks =)

Your best to read through the whole post to get a good understanding of what has happened.

On another note, this is hardly the first crypto to be hit like this and most probably won't be the last..... don't really see why people are freaking out so badly.... shit happens like this all the time.... Welcome to crypto.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] paccoin a new SHA256D coin is being introduced on: January 06, 2018, 03:48:18 AM
Hello everybody,

i just want to say something here about PAC

PAC is really danger for cryptocurrency
PAC has 3.4 trillions coin
PAC is like a virus for cryptocurrency

here what exactly happen here :

the market at this time (yobit & cryptopia) has about 50 billions coins only from 3.4 trillions coin
lets say that 200 billion was add to the market

the dev owned more than 3 trillions coin, he is very smart
what is going now that this coin will never goes up to 3 sat , why ?

the dev will fill the sell order every time @ 2 sat
so people buy at 2 sat
anyone will need to buy @ 1 sat also the dev will give him that

the news is just scam, PAC is the biggest SCAM, dev will own a lots of BTC, LTC, DOGE

stop buying & support PAC , just STOP



 

yes because people will take what a newbie says seriously :-P

who cares, ride the waves and make some profit ^_^
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XVG] Verge - Speculation & Discussion on: January 02, 2018, 06:10:31 AM
Wraith Protocol now live or not?
Why the price falls? Cash out or fear that the Wraith Protocol not comes?

Wrait is out. Wraith is a joke. It does nothing of value. Just kids playing at being crypto masters. Price is crashing accordingly. Get out while you can witha profit. This coin is going back to sub penny.

idk where your looking, but everywhere i check the price has been pretty stable considering everything.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: January 01, 2018, 05:08:53 PM
Hi,

I just got some XVG and there is no connection on the windows wallet and the Electrum wallet. Any nodes will be appreciated it.

Thanks,

https://verge-blockchain.com/trouble

download the conf file and problem solved.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: January 01, 2018, 04:14:00 PM
loving this already

love this part more...

Windows wallet has been released to quote from twitter.


vergecurrency
‏ @vergecurrency
3m3 minutes ago

Windows Qt wallet is available. We have integrated tor into our core repository. Today we will be adding it to the Makefiles and then pushing another update.
130 replies 416 retweets 823 likes


https://twitter.com/vergecurrency/status/947862497922514944
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][BLACKHOLE][Entire Line of TOR/i2P Resources] on: January 01, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
It's seriously starting to piss me off how every criticism is instantly labelled "FUD" by the hodlers. Dev team is acting like a bunch of alcoholics who act like everything is under control and yet can't keep a single promise. Somehow we need to give them a reality check so they would man up and start delivering.

Only reason I'm not selling my whole stash is because rich list is not selling for some reason. Any opinions on that? Could all of this be orchestrated so the informed parties can fill up their bags? I would think at least some of the XVG whales would be selling some after today's embarrassment.

I am actually glad someone else noticed the top 20 wallets haven't done bugger all yet.... although number 1 is still collecting verge and i do not think its an exchange wallet. The amount does not fluctuate that much for it to be one. Thats just my thoughts there.....
Also notice on bittrex the buy support keeps getting pumped back in, keeps going over 1k btc buy support after every heavy dump by weak hands. Also food for thought with your theory of this all being setup, just think back to that massive manipulation attack verge went through less then a week ago..... kinda seeing the exact same behavior in the markets again... someone is soaking up alot of sells and sell walls are getting smashed pretty quickly. Despite the rough start i do not feel that it is over just yet.

And trust me this here isn't all that savage, the amount of abuse i have been reading flying around crypto groups on facebook has been horrid and toxic beyond belief... Its actually like a chilled meadow breeze here compared to everywhere else thanks to the haters and high buyers that wanted fast profit but got burnt hard. To much emotional trading tsk tsk tsk....
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