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List B, spot C - FontSeli
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Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.
The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible. I agree. It is not something that degrades you as a person, gambling is a mere fact of a form of entertainment involving money. But I don't think it should be called socially reprehensive either, even excessively coz who cares about you and your money? Unless you are not stealing someone's money to gamble right? When a person is excessively involved in gambling/alcohol/drugs, it can cause harm not only to them but also to people around them. Besides, if we talk about politicians. If a person cannot control himself and his dependencies, then how will he control the state? Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area.
I guess any underground casino violates a law (not expert on laws but I think they really do) The fact that they don't have permit to operate is enough to be an outlaw, it's unfair for those casino houses that pays a monthly taxes for their operation especially now that they are closed for almost 3 months, they are still paying for the facility. And most of the underground casino are run by criminal organization. The main thing about underground casinos is not that they don't pay taxes. In underground casinos, the main thing is that no one can estimate what chance of winning is set in their slot machines, whether there is a magnet under the roulette wheel, and so on. They can deceive their visitors with impunity. |
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Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.
The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible. Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area. |
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And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.
I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos. From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean. Personally, my opinion on this issue is as follows. There should be casinos in the country so that people can blow off steam and gamble. However, casinos don't have to be in every city. They should be massively concentrated in special gaming zones, such as Las Vegas. Then people will be able to gamble and there will be no demand for underground casinos. |
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However, it doesn't necessarily entail a disclosure of your identity. There are many places where you can buy crypto anonymously. For example, peer-to-peer marketplaces are specifically designed to help you out with anonymous crypto purchases. On some of them you don't even need to register (thus you don't disclose any personal details), and your Bitcoin address is never revealed to the seller so any track of your coins gets lost there. The bottom line is that online casinos are more anonymous overall
It is not important whether someone can track the movement of your cryptocurrencies to an online casino. It is important here that a person needs to put money into an account to buy cryptocurrencies. And they will immediately become visible to the tax service The money is already in your bank account No one knows how you are going to spend it, to buy Bitcoin or something else. Let me guess you don't know how P2P marketplaces work. But let me lend you a helping hand here. The seller doesn't know the buyer, he just receives, say, a transfer to his payment card, while his coins from his account on a marketplace are debited. But he doesn't know where they go because, technically, he doesn't even know whether it is his coins or someone else's You don't understand me. If a person does not want to show the state, the Bank or someone else that he has 5 thousand dollars, then he will not go to open a Bank account and put this money in the account Do you describe a hypothetical situation or your own circumstances? Since you are talking like a hardened criminal -- a drug dealer, money launderer, or something to that tune. If so, it is unclear what you are doing here. Cause if you were, you would stay miles away from both regulated casinos and cryptocurrencies (as well as bitcointalk, for the record). Regardless, this has nothing to do with the fact that gambling at online casinos with cryptocurrency is more anonymous than at regular ones with cash. If you are going to challenge this point, please stick to the point (pardon the pun) Why do you call a criminal a person who does not want to carry money to a Bank account? I know a lot of people who don't trust banks and government agencies. There are countries where it is not safe to show how much money you have earned. Therefore, some people prefer to pay in cash everywhere without using plastic cards. Once upon a time, it was not safe in my country to put a lot of money in a Bank account. Those days are over, but many people have kept their old habits and pay everywhere only in cash. This also applies to casino games. Only cash and no Bank accounts. |
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And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.
I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos. |
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However, it doesn't necessarily entail a disclosure of your identity. There are many places where you can buy crypto anonymously. For example, peer-to-peer marketplaces are specifically designed to help you out with anonymous crypto purchases. On some of them you don't even need to register (thus you don't disclose any personal details), and your Bitcoin address is never revealed to the seller so any track of your coins gets lost there. The bottom line is that online casinos are more anonymous overall
It is not important whether someone can track the movement of your cryptocurrencies to an online casino. It is important here that a person needs to put money into an account to buy cryptocurrencies. And they will immediately become visible to the tax service The money is already in your bank account No one knows how you are going to spend it, to buy Bitcoin or something else. Let me guess you don't know how P2P marketplaces work. But let me lend you a helping hand here. The seller doesn't know the buyer, he just receives, say, a transfer to his payment card, while his coins from his account on a marketplace are debited. But he doesn't know where they go because, technically, he doesn't even know whether it is his coins or someone else's You don't understand me. If a person does not want to show the state, the Bank or someone else that he has 5 thousand dollars, then he will not go to open a Bank account and put this money in the account. I know how P2P marketplaces work. You will not agree to sell me bitcoins and in return wait for receiving cash in an envelope) Many people have Bank accounts. But not all people can afford to put all their income on the account. Because not all income taxes are paid. |
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You can't run a criminal organization (anything illegal, in this case underground casino) without governments help! A place without limitations, without questions, you come with money and you just gamble, nobody asks you about where you got your money, nobody will ask you where you wish payout, it's all cash (without trace, without any tax). That's not new, especially for big towns! You can find some underground casino in some private house in some village, but mostly underground casinos are in big towns, where you have big population, and people of any kind!
It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time. |
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I don't know how it is in other countries. In my country, you are asked to show your passport at the entrance to the casino. They do this in order to check whether you are 18 years old. I have been many times to gambling houses, they asked me for my passport, but no one recorded my data So it is officially a moot point The last time I went to the casino, the passport check was a formality. My data could only be recorded if a special camera was hung behind the guard's back. I didn't pay any attention to it. I'll check it out next time)
And to buy cryptocurrencies, don't you need to use a plastic card or a regular Bank account?
You may need them However, it doesn't necessarily entail a disclosure of your identity. There are many places where you can buy crypto anonymously. For example, peer-to-peer marketplaces are specifically designed to help you out with anonymous crypto purchases. On some of them you don't even need to register (thus you don't disclose any personal details), and your Bitcoin address is never revealed to the seller so any track of your coins gets lost there. The bottom line is that online casinos are more anonymous overall It is not important whether someone can track the movement of your cryptocurrencies to an online casino. It is important here that a person needs to put money into an account to buy cryptocurrencies. And they will immediately become visible to the tax service. There are ways to buy cryptocurrencies for cash, but I am not sure of their reliability and security. |
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That would be an obvious overkill
At least as long as you are required to disclose your identity before entering the premises. So can you, or anyone else, for that matter, confirm or refute the assumption that you are required to reveal your identity whenever you are going to visit a casino? I don't mean underground casinos but more like regular and regulated places as in Las Vegas or Monte Carlo? If you have to, then you can safely forget about your anonymity as well as the anonymity of your money (even if you play for cash)
I don't know how it is in other countries. In my country, you are asked to show your passport at the entrance to the casino. They do this in order to check whether you are 18 years old. I have been many times to gambling houses, they asked me for my passport, but no one recorded my data. There is a major problem with online casinos. How do I top up my online account? Aren't online casinos supposed to accept mostly crypto? And to buy cryptocurrencies, don't you need to use a plastic card or a regular Bank account? |
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Gambling. For me it is one way of having fun especially if I am bored or if I want to have bonding time with my cousins and friends. Some make this as their source of income especially if they are lucku while others are the same as mine. During this time, quarantine I find it as a source of income by not playing it, by promoting it instead.
This is the correct opinion. I also believe that gambling is primarily a pleasant time spent. If you try to build your earnings by gambling - this is the way to a dead end. Therefore, all those who try to make money on gambling very much risk their money. |
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The biggest problem at hand is COVID-19. The reason why casinos are ordered to temporarily shut down is that it could become a way for the virus to spread more quickly. And when the spread of the virus reaches a point of beyond control, people will die, the economy will die, and probably the government, too.
Many respected doctors in my country have come out with the view that the danger of coronavirus is exaggerated. In fact, it is a type of flu virus. Its mortality rate is comparable to that of the flu. Therefore, doctors say that tuberculosis, rotavirus and so on are much more dangerous, and many more people die from them. However, this is not reported in the media, so there is no such panic as from the coronavirus.
This is just a matter of prioritization. And while all these measures against the spread of the virus are being implemented, other measures to curb illegal gambling and gambling abuses are also in place. They are not abandoned for the sake of fighting the virus. These measures are not competing against each other.
Based on what I wrote above, I personally believe that the danger from illegal casinos is higher and they need to be fought no worse than the coronavirus. |
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There are also those who do not want to show their earnings and therefore they play for cash, which is impossible to do in an online casino Online casinos are definitely better in this regard With traditional ones you would openly reveal your earnings to the world as your mug will get caught on camera countless number of times, while your winnings (as well as losses, for that matter) will make it into the casino's books to check for authorities if need be. And I'm not sure you can visit a law-abiding land-based gambling institution without fully disclosing your identity, either. Protecting your privacy and the anonymity of your money when playing online is a breeze, and it is basically for this reason you can kiss your shekels goodbye if an online casino pulls off an exit scam at the end of the day. Let's call it the other five sides of a die In a normal casino, there are cameras that record the faces of players in the room. However, they only provide these records for official requests from law enforcement agencies. The casinos themselves do not carry all video recordings to the tax service. There is a major problem with online casinos. How do I top up my online account? I only have cash. I don't want to issue plastic cards and transfer money to them. After all, it is much easier to track a Bank account than at which casinos I played in order to withdraw videos of me from them. |
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Gambling is where the result of event is only determined by chance. The term "luck" is enough speculative, because mostly, people consider "luck" as a term for their winning. If they loosing, that's definitely not luck :DD
So gambling it's not about luck, it's about probability and risk. Your risking your money and depending on the fact that this time, big number theory will be on your side.
So what is 'luck'? I understand 'luck' as a chance that was produced in your favor. In other words, you were 'lucky' and you were win. It doesn't matter what words are synonymous with good 'luck'. The main thing is that all the circumstances in the gambling game are in your favor and you win. So, with hard work your chances for getting lucky are higher. There's a joke, I don't know did you hear it before, it goes like this: "Dear God, please help me win the lottery. I really need the money, so please help me win. He is begging and crying for help, and after some time he got his answer “BUY A LOTTERY TICKET!”" In other words if you don't try it you can't win it, without trying and hard work you can't get lucky! And we all know that one try is almost like you didn't try at all!  Winning the lottery without a ticket is really very difficult  Luck doesn't happen by itself, either. The chance to win in slot machines is always set in the settings of the machines. In roulette, you can also calculate the chance of winning. I have a saying in my country: "The chance to win the state lottery is the same as winning a train by buying a train ticket." In many cases, the chance of winning can be calculated. Therefore, the luck is quite palpable. |
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Gambling is where the result of event is only determined by chance. The term "luck" is enough speculative, because mostly, people consider "luck" as a term for their winning. If they loosing, that's definitely not luck :DD
So gambling it's not about luck, it's about probability and risk. Your risking your money and depending on the fact that this time, big number theory will be on your side.
So what is 'luck'? I understand 'luck' as a chance that was produced in your favor. In other words, you were 'lucky' and you were win. It doesn't matter what words are synonymous with good 'luck'. The main thing is that all the circumstances in the gambling game are in your favor and you win. |
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Yes, this is really possible, I have seen a thread here regarding with this question, he had seen a casino gambling that is still open with this pandemic virus, the gamblers there are still wearing mask and gloves, what more for those underground casino that is really hard to see by other people.
Gamblers are really gamblers, they are really addicted to it, they don't even think the risk of what they are doing, there is a high possibility that they may acquire the virus because of what they are doing. If they really want to gamble they may do online gambling so they can still play even though they are at their home.
Actually I don't like that the authorities are much more worried that people will get infected or die from the virus. It would be better if they were worried that dependent gamblers lose a lot of their money in casinos, that thair families are destroyed because of this and there is a lot of troubles. |
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There are people who see that the established security measures are excessive. And they are thus protesting against the prohibitions.
They just want to justify their wrong doings, they are not prevented to gambling if its not illegal in their country, what the government are only doing is for the safety of the people, they want to prevent people from spreading the virus, so gambling is not allowed when it needs physical appearance to a certain place or venue. Maybe it's time they will learn online gambling, maybe hard at the beginning but they'll eventually love it, and its safer, you don't violate a law doing online gambling. You probably won't believe it, but not all people want and can use the Internet. Many people simply do not trust online casinos. There are also those who do not want to show their earnings and therefore they play for cash, which is impossible to do in an online casino. Some people just like to go to the casino with their friends. |
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Casinos can't keep up with the current situation, they must make a profit even at this pandemic, do you think it's possible that some gambling casinos are already into underground casinos, where they only allow their old and trusted clients to play in a place that they provided, could be a mansion or a secluded building, but of course, they will guaranty all the necessary preactions to make their venue safe for their clients.
There's also a possibility that some governments will allow it because some casinos are being run by the government or they have a big cut in the revenues.
Do you think it's happening right now or do you know of one in your city?
I already wrote in the neighboring topic that casinos are still operating in my country. This is not because the state does not want to lose revenue from tax revenues. This is due to the fact that in my country there is no quarantine and people can choose to stay at home or go to play at the casino. I think this is the best solution. We shouldn't be in forced detention for months. Everyone can decide whether to risk their own life and the lives of their family members. |
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