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1321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not Just for Online but also IRL Gambling on: March 05, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
Have you ever played on a game were it is totally a scam without realizing it? I just seen a facebook post in which there are several games that doesn't let you win even though how many times you try and you'll just feel like giving up then they will tell you that you won or let you win ... but without realizing, it was just a tactic/s to have you play until you burn your eyelids and money to that game.

This applies on both Gambling Online/IRL, So tell me have you ever seen one of these games and you'll just realize it after the game or watching other people play that certain game?


I think that in this forum, everyone who has ever invested in a new project that ended up being fraudulent, they all played these games.
After all, investing in new projects can be compared to betting on roulette. You will either be lucky or not (if the project turns out to be scams).
This is why investors are so easily attracted to gambling games.
1322  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE]472nd ฿ECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE PHYSICAL ฿ITCOIN on: March 04, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
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1323  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: About Compulsive gambling. on: March 03, 2020, 09:18:33 PM
According to some articles that I've read, almost 80% of the people are suffering from gambling addiction.
I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.
Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.
Agree, sometimes you're not aware about your illness and will discover it once you take the effect of your actions or maybe there are other things that gets affected. So it may take a lot of time just to recover a person who's really suffering in gambling addiction.

Addiction is one of the hardest mental illnesses to treat so be careful on compulsive gambling.  Sad

People just sometimes think that they are healthy, they do not notice what harm they do to themselves and their family by constantly spending money and time on gambling/alcoholism/drug addiction. This makes it difficult to convince them that they should start treatment for addiction.
1324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: About Compulsive gambling. on: March 03, 2020, 12:18:27 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.
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1326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: About Compulsive gambling. on: March 01, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Clinics or professional help wont really be that affective if a certain gambler do have that severe addiction.He wont listen to anyone for sure.
To treat oneself then everything should really be realized on what are the things would be mainly affected if they do tolerate such addiction.
Not only financial aspect but also on social or family relationship would be destroyed.Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

In any case, the family needs to save the person somehow, so they will try various ways to wean the person from excessive gambling.As it is, I do not wish anyone to have such a family member.
1327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you keep a spreadsheet for you wins and losses for tax purposes? on: March 01, 2020, 09:20:23 PM
I never make spreadsheet for my gambling because I only use free money from faucet, airdrop, give away and bonus deposit. Always disciplines with rules to avoid addicted because the main problem is not about win or loss but about addicted. This problem only can reduce by disciplines and I must say also giving positive impact into my trading activity. Use gambling to train your psychology, experience and money can get at the same time.

For a person who is addicted to gambling, it would be useful to fill in the spreadsheet and specify all the amounts that he lost on gambling. Then at the end of the month, you can sum up and count how much money was irretrievably lost for the month. This can sober a person up and make them stop gambling.
For those who play very normal and not addicted to gambling, they also often do not store data on spreadsheets, so expect a gambling addict to be able to store their achievements on a spreadsheet, that would definitely not be possible when they were lacking in awareness and alert when engaging in gambling, they will never stop gambling with this method, if this method can be successfully implemented, the number of gambling addicts has decreased significantly. Another reason for not storing on a spreadsheet is that countries seem to be putting gambling on the blacklist, gambling is against the law and no one who wants to store materials can bring them to prison

This is everyone's business. Personally, I would recommend running a spreadsheet to see your results from all gambling games. It is also useful for people to realize how much money they are losing. I would not worry about the fact that your tables will be available to the authorities, there is no need to write specific names, game names, etc. and then no one will know what expenses and income you are counting.



Keeping a record of all of your losses and winnings in gambling will definitely make a gambler sobs and regret. Buy i don't think that will be enough to stop a gambler to stay away from gambling because he will still  tempts to play no matter what happens as long he finds gambling as a hobby and makes him greedy.

If a person is only at the initial stage of attachment to gambling, then seeing how much money he loses in a week/month/year and comparing what useful things he could spend them on is a good cure for attachment. If a person has a serious addiction to gambling, then of course a simple calculation will not stop him.
1328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: About Compulsive gambling. on: March 01, 2020, 10:44:20 AM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

When a person does not listen to advice from family or friends that it is time for him to stop gambling - this can be called a disease with confidence and such people need to be treated. It's like alcoholism.
There have long been clinics that treat people who are addicted to gambling. The most important thing is that the person himself realized that he has such a problem, then he can get rid of it.
1329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you keep a spreadsheet for you wins and losses for tax purposes? on: March 01, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
I never make spreadsheet for my gambling because I only use free money from faucet, airdrop, give away and bonus deposit. Always disciplines with rules to avoid addicted because the main problem is not about win or loss but about addicted. This problem only can reduce by disciplines and I must say also giving positive impact into my trading activity. Use gambling to train your psychology, experience and money can get at the same time.

For a person who is addicted to gambling, it would be useful to fill in the spreadsheet and specify all the amounts that he lost on gambling. Then at the end of the month, you can sum up and count how much money was irretrievably lost for the month. This can sober a person up and make them stop gambling.
1330  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] Sealed Ledger Nano S because <70 days until halving on: February 29, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
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1331  Local / Новички / Re: Аппаратные кошельки on: February 29, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
В моей стране такой проблемы нет, давно все понятно и ясно. И по движениям законодателей в Украине и России я тоже вижу, что они в состоянии "определить правила игры" и уйти от неопределенностей и страхов.
Пожалел даже что аппаратник покупал, оказывается нечего прятать так сильно)
Это всегда хорошо, когда все ясно и никаких неожиданностей не предвещается, на этом можно строить свою стратегию поведения. Что касается регулирования, то тут возникают некоторые сложности. В случае новой технологии, такой как криптовалюты и блокчейн да и любой другой, не всегда понятно что нужно делать, чтобы технология развивалась в нужном для государства направлении или не развивалась совсем во избежании нарушения устоявшейся системы. Поэтому происходит некий обмен опытом, оглядка на другие юрисдикции, у которых получилось добиться близкого к желаемому результата. Конечно, вряд ли нам когда-нибудь придется скрывать факт владения аппаратными кошельками, но стоит не отбрасывать версию о возможности изменения отношения государства к криптовалютам.

Крипто кошельки не требуют гос регистрации. Даже покупал я его так, что он через границу проехал в чужом кармане а не почтовым отправлением (ибо Леджер отказывается доставлять в мою страну почтой).
По этому поводу я вообще не переживаю. Сейчас стоит задача преумножить имеющееся.
1332  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling affected your personal reputation? on: February 27, 2020, 04:02:51 PM
Ohh my God, I completely forgot about this thread and it got bumped recently and discussion gets going. Smiley

Most people say that they didn't have any effect on their reputation due to gambling but most likely because they never have shown this to the public so then only they can realize when someone gets to know about their habit.

Thinking about locking this thread? Or need more discussion? Roll Eyes

You've had a lot of discussion here. There were a lot of good opinions, but there was also a lot of spam.
I still continue to be confident that in most countries of the world, gambling is not condemned by society. The main thing in this is to be able to comply with the framework and not abuse gambling and be able to spend only small amounts that were originally planned.
1333  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you keep a spreadsheet for you wins and losses for tax purposes? on: February 27, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
If you have a history or spreadsheet to calculate losses and losses experienced. That's just for yourself, so you see how much you spend on gambling and how much you have won. For me, I have never done that, as long as I have money. Then I will try to play gambling to get the victory. And for taxes, in gambling there is no tax that I spend.

Usually, many countries have a tax on gambling winnings, so I would recommend that you check this in your country. The penalties for non-payment of taxes are quite serious, so it is better to double-check everything once again.
1334  Local / Новички / Re: Аппаратные кошельки on: February 27, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
У меня никогда не было проблемы с жадностью на заплатить налоги. Конечно же если есть законный способ их избежать, то я стараюсь сделать это. Но крипту рано или поздно прижмут и закончится лафа с зарубежными картами и обменниками и придется платить налоги как и с любой другой деятельности.

Я не юрист по налогообложению, не могу сказать ничего по этой ситуации, но уверен что со временем будет разработан четкий механизм по расчету налоговой базы и уплате налога в наших странах.
Все было бы понятно при наличии четких законов/правил/вменяемого регулирования. Сейчас сложилась такая ситуация, практически полная неопределенность с положением криптовалют в большинстве стран. Возможно, их объявят нелегальным средством обмена или налоги будут такими, что сделает ходлинг или трейдинг слишком невыгодными. Такая база  с какими-нибудь балансами аппаратных кошельков очень пригодится при расчетах налогообложений, ведь не исключено, что новые законы будут работать задним числом и эти данные останутся валидными для закона. Разумеется, это все гипотетически - в условиях неопределенности не остается других вариантов как рассматривать худшее развитие событий.

В моей стране такой проблемы нет, давно все понятно и ясно. И по движениям законодателей в Украине и России я тоже вижу, что они в состоянии "определить правила игры" и уйти от неопределенностей и страхов.
Пожалел даже что аппаратник покупал, оказывается нечего прятать так сильно)
1335  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE]470th ฿ECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE PHYSICAL ฿ITCOIN on: February 27, 2020, 11:53:46 AM
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1336  Local / Новички / Re: Аппаратные кошельки on: February 26, 2020, 05:47:17 PM
Я слышал что данная функция будет внедрена сразу же после чипизации населения.
Слышу в этом некую долю сарказма, хотя в современных реалиях это не кажется чем-то фантастическим, готовим плацдарм потихоньку.


Ну это страшилки. На самом деле если вы не торгуете наркотой и оружием, то вам нечего бояться, ну попросят у вас заплатить налог в случае если у вас "непрокатило" и всего-то. Никто не будет следить за "пацанами с парой косарей".

Что может быть менее затратно и проще, чем саморасширяемая база владельцев криптовалют или потенциальных налогоплательщиков, которые проживают в стране с невозможностью оплаты в криптовалюте. Они своими силами приподнесут все данные, останется только ждать когда они захотят воспользоваться подконтрольной точкой вывода в фиат. Задача не сводится к тому, чтобы выявить неплательщиков: она сводится к избежанию неплатежей в будущем и дополнительно к контролю средств, перемещемаемых между публичными адресами.

У меня никогда не было проблемы с жадностью на заплатить налоги. Конечно же если есть законный способ их избежать, то я стараюсь сделать это. Но крипту рано или поздно прижмут и закончится лафа с зарубежными картами и обменниками и придется платить налоги как и с любой другой деятельности.



Да и обязанность уплатить налог у вас возникает с момента получения дохода, т.е. когда вы вывели крипту в фиатные деньги, а не в момент хранения крипты на кошельках.
Это не везде так. Помните, как австралиец заплатил налог за крипту, в 5 раз превышающий стоимость самих монет на момент уплаты? https://forklog.com/avstraliets-zaplatil-nalog-v-razmere-100-000-s-kriptovalyut-na-20-000/

Я не юрист по налогообложению, не могу сказать ничего по этой ситуации, но уверен что со временем будет разработан четкий механизм по расчету налоговой базы и уплате налога в наших странах.
1337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you keep a spreadsheet for you wins and losses for tax purposes? on: February 26, 2020, 05:09:36 PM
While ago it just hit me when i won more then usual that in the future if bitcoin goes parabolic, these wins in btc can be huge and i have to tell my banker where i got the money from and i guess i have to keep how much i spend it to make it for tax purposes too.

I was thinking that i need to start to keep a journal/spreadsheet on my wins and losses soon. I've been stalling and avoiding it because i might not like what i see, i don't even know if i am on the plus side anymore. I am not sure how crypto gambling taxes go in here but i thought that it wouldn't hurt to have a record of my transactions in it while i am studying it.

So, i guess my question is that are you keeping a track of your wins and losses and for what purpose are you doing that?

I don't record my wins or losses on gambling sites because I don't spend/win large amounts. But when trading on exchanges, I necessarily save all my trading operations, as well as information from which wallets I deposited funds to the exchange and to which I withdrew. This is necessary not only for paying taxes, but also for some exchanges that make sure that your money is clean.
1338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling affected your personal reputation? on: February 26, 2020, 01:35:07 PM
I think if we are playing gambling online, it is not affected by our personal reputations because if we don't tell other people, they will not give a bad name to us. It is different if we are playing gambling offline. People will see what we do in real life so they can give or judge us with bad things. So I think it depends on what ways we are playing gambling because as long as we can keep secret about what we do, we will be fine.

And that visiting an offline casino can somehow be compared to an act condemned by society?
Everyone spends their leisure time in different ways. Some people like to play football, others prefer hockey, but there are those who go to the casino to drink beer and put a couple of hundred dollars in the machines or play poker.
I do not consider this something shameful and reprehensible. The main thing is that a person knows the measure and does not leave all their money in the casino.

I mean, that is not condemned or shameful, but in some cultures, especially in Asian culture, when people are going to visit gambling places, it can get a bad name in society. Maybe people like to see the ordinary hobby or usual that other people do like playing soccer or other sports. But some of them cannot accept if gambling is like a hobby because, in their places, gambling can be something that can damage the mentality. So if that person can quiet and not tell other people about his activity in gambling, maybe everything will be fine as long as he doesn't change his behavior in society.

Unfortunately, I haven't spent a single day in Asia. That is why I will believe your words. However, it seems strange to me that a person can be treated badly because of how he spends his leisure time. I only refer to cases where a person does not overuse gambling.
Overuse of gambling as well as alcohol, etc. is subject to censure in any society.
1339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling affected your personal reputation? on: February 25, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
I think if we are playing gambling online, it is not affected by our personal reputations because if we don't tell other people, they will not give a bad name to us. It is different if we are playing gambling offline. People will see what we do in real life so they can give or judge us with bad things. So I think it depends on what ways we are playing gambling because as long as we can keep secret about what we do, we will be fine.

And that visiting an offline casino can somehow be compared to an act condemned by society?
Everyone spends their leisure time in different ways. Some people like to play football, others prefer hockey, but there are those who go to the casino to drink beer and put a couple of hundred dollars in the machines or play poker.
I do not consider this something shameful and reprehensible. The main thing is that a person knows the measure and does not leave all their money in the casino.
1340  Local / Новички / Re: Аппаратные кошельки on: February 25, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
Определенный резон в ваших словах есть. Но для сканера нужны публичные мастер-ключи аккаунтов, приватники не нужны. То есть это может быть сканер из двух частей: офлайновой для ввода сида и получения xpub-ов и онлайновой для сканирования балансов.
В скором времени могут появиться такие сканеры, но они будут преследовать совсем другие цели. Например, для выявления недобросовестных налогоплательщиков, либо потенциальных нарушителей закона, не желающих обменивать свою крипту через "специализированных операторов. Уже вижу огромные базы данных, возможно даже на блокчейне, которые записывают xpub со всеми балансами и соответствующими ip-адресами и другой информацией, по которой можно с легкостью деанонимизировать, либо составить подробную статистику по регионам. Вкупе с ограничительными действиями в сети Интернет и требованиями об установке определенного ПО это будет работать очень эффективно.

Я слышал что данная функция будет внедрена сразу же после чипизации населения.

Для выявления недобросовестных налогоплательщиков достаточно контролировать все точки вывода крипты в фиат. Это гораздо проще и менее затратно. Да и обязанность уплатить налог у вас возникает с момента получения дохода, т.е. когда вы вывели крипту в фиатные деньги, а не в момент хранения крипты на кошельках.
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