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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: digitalinvestgroups scam on: Today at 07:11:55 PM
They lied me 3 times. The trader said

You're still not getting it. There is no "trader". It's a ponzi scam. You lost your money the minute you gave it to them. The charade with the fees is just to extract more money from you.

is there anyway i can sue these shit people to court? anywhere online i can make complaint? SEC ? internet fraud complaint?

All of the above. Since the amount involved in significant - you might want to talk to a lawyer and see what the best options are. Online complaint probably won't cut it but fill it out anyway:

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/Complaint.html

Perhaps if there are many complaints they could at least shut down the site.
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cluster2k and VaultMex on: Today at 06:41:41 PM
A simple solution to the problems which I have stated is to disable self-moderated threads entirely. What purpose do they serve except to aid fraudulent activity or people attempting to hide something from others?

To allow reputable users to create threads free of spam and trolling.
3  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: Today at 05:49:59 PM
Opposite to English, Russian is synthetic language. Better learn it  before drafting your concluding observations.

English is my third language and the first two are synthetic so please feel free to fuck off with your conjectures at any time. This has nothing to do with grammar.
4  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: Today at 04:37:07 PM
I wasn't referring to you specifically
However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.

Haste makes waste.

You have a serious lack of understanding of what merits are for. This is not a facetwit "like" or an endorsement. TMAN made what's called a "good post". Brought up an important topic. Even though theymos called him an asshole for the way he did it, I think there is still a valid concern how people with no clue about the trust system get suddenly voted into DT1.

one adjustment, xenon131's  punch line was as simple as that: DT0 list  of theymos is not equal to DT1 list constructed by his algo..... and it doesn't mean anything personal... but someone   from DT1 thought it was hitting on him and  negatively commented on   me. Picture in my above post illustrates what I'm thinking on his/her comment.

No, you said specifically that if a user is not in theymos trust list but was included into DT1 then it's a "manipulation". That was said more than once and combined with campaigning to exclude the "manipulators" so it can't be a coincidence. I'm quite certain I have conveyed your opinion accurately.
5  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: Today at 03:52:32 PM
I'm going through the Russian thread and checking users who posted or have been mentioned there. It seems that there is a lack of understanding (to put it mildly) as to what the trust system is supposed to do, particularly the differences between trust ratings and trust lists.



DabLjat (the OP) - on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts to the members of own trust list. On Jan 16 sent many negatives to an account farm. Wants a Russian person in DT1 for unknown/unspecified reason.



xenon131 - seems to think that anyone not explicitly trusted by theymos is a "manipulator":
By the way, if you want to see whom theymos trusts, remove the DefaultTrust entry from your field and add only theymos and nothing more. Click Update. (this can be done with respect to any member of the community) Then Depth 1 will show a list of people he trusts himself. And there is NO one of his algorithm. This means that the existing DT1 is created (by an algorithm) by manipulating a certain group of the community, while all others are / are in the dark.
And this "manipulation" sentiment is echoed throughout the thread as one of the reasons to vote Russians into DT1.



TheFuzzStone - less than a week didn't have a clue about the trust system and DT and how it works. This was also reflected in the thread this user later created in Meta.
I also have a personal list of pleasant people (I have no enemies), and the other day, I will leave all of them with trust + comments, why I left such a trust.

This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.



taikuri13 -  on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts without references. Appears to have a better grasp of the trust system and DT1 selection than most other users in that thread. This is post #31 and probably the first mention of what xandry was referring to.
People said that it would be good to have the Russian-speaking person in DT to tag known scammers, account sellers and merit sellers, because many of victims don't speak English and they can't explain to DT them problems.
Therefore, of course, my hand does not rise to call this procedure “election”, because trust is a personal choice, everyone decides for himself whom he wants to trust and no one has the right to ask for your choice.

But just think, in the whole locale there are different people, with completely different goals. And to decide what kind of "color" will be, for example, a Russian-speaking cheater, or, on the contrary, a good and decent person - there will be people who know Russian using Google Translate.



peloso - appears to have cheated bounties - see favdesu's feedback. Appears to have traded trust and merits with alts or close acquaintances - see actmyname's feedback. Campaigning in DT1 voting.



chimk - seems to have a measured approach to the topic. Seems to think spammers need red trust. Has not left a single trust rating but there is talk of voting this user into DT1.



esmanthra - has not sent any trust ratings. Understands the trust system quite well and has posted a detailed explanation of it. A minor error I spotted:
In other words, if, for example, users in an amicable rush begin to make ~ Lauda records in their DT0, this will affect the position of Lauda in the DT1 list only if these users have a sufficient number of Merits (and that only after the next re-forming the list, for now the re-formation is not automatic).
AFAIK merits have no effect on exclusions.



(work in progress)



I would caution against judging these users on their tone or their rhetoric. Cultural difference is a real thing, and important nuances can get lost in translation. Let's focus more on the facts.

Overall it seems that the Russian board quickly went from having no DT members to voting someone into DT1 to having them excluded so there's some resentment but they still have a few DT2 members for the stated purpose of tagging local scammers etc. It doesn't look like they have a mature candidate for DT1 though. That's just my personal opinion.
6  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: Today at 03:24:54 PM
Now tell me what's wrong with my interpretation?

I wasn't referring to you specifically but to stuff like this:

I also have a personal list of pleasant people (I have no enemies), and the other day, I will leave all of them with trust + comments, why I left such a trust.

This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.

I'm also concerned by the lack of distinction between trust ratings and trust lists. This needs to be understood very well by DT1 members in particular so I'll be excluding users who don't seem to get it.
7  Other / Meta / Re: Ban Appeal RegulusHr on: Today at 02:15:47 PM
It can be rule only for a new cases, or recent (last a 30 days for example).

I don't think you understand what's going on here. 5000+ users are banned every month, most of them for plagiarism. A "two strikes" policy would require lots of resources to keep up and would at least double the effort needed to remove 99%+ of plagiarizers who are serial offenders.

Ok, agreed, that is why we are here. But if the rule is permaban with an option to appeal and so far only 1 permaban has been removed based on appeal, then there's something wrong with implementing these rules. Wouldn't you agree?

I would not agree, mainly because the highlighted statement has the same validity as the early claims in this thread that the OP plagiarised only once, and is borderline fallacy. Multiple bans have been removed, not that the number is important here. There is no quota that a certain percentage of appeals has to succeed. The appeal system is clunky but it works despite being made into a DDOS weapon by shitposters who waste staff's time with frivolous appeals. But the legitimate ones are being heard and I'm quite certain that the OP's complaint will be seen by a global mod or an admin.
8  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: Today at 01:46:11 PM
no you didn't do what you should - and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.

stop lying about this, there is obvious blatant collusion after the 14th when your "comrade" was excluded - then mob rule came along, some scammer tried to break the whole of DT with ~defaulttrust and I still see that now - why no ban? why no tag?

you are not suitable to do this job, god knows what else goes on in that section. And no I am not racist or whatever else you want to say, I was one of the members who added Alex_SR onto DT.

TBH I wouldn't want moderators to start removing posts on topics like that or otherwise interfering in trust system matters. We're supposed to police ourselves. I'll be excluding some of the obviously unsuitable members, even if they're not malicious but merely misguided. That's all we really need to do. The attempts to game the system are fully expected and even if that thread didn't exist it could still happen via PMs, telegram, etc so we better be ready and check and re-check those DT1/2 newbie lists.
9  Other / Meta / Re: grin is now accepted for forum payments on: Today at 11:54:11 AM
I guess I have already proven my point. Didn't expect it this quick though.

Quote
24h Low / 24h High
$6.92 / $261.65

Imagine FOMOing and buying it for $261.65.

The cost of mining it is somewhere around $1-2. A lot of early miners might be hoarding it and it's not on large exchanges yet so that distorts the market somewhat.
10  Other / Meta / Re: I am confused by that mistake on: Today at 03:49:54 AM
It's still confusing tbh. Your reply on that thread and what you quote there is not related imo. Which account that was banned by the admin? Post the profile link here.

I'm assuming Mhd-Bobbi is OP's account and it has been banned for plagiarism. The post that OP is referring to has nothing to do with the ban. Perhaps the ban happened soon after that post was made so the OP is confused. Or perhaps the OP thinks that the funny shitpost thread is some sort of mod report thing.

Because of this problem, we often wonder why Indonesia does not print a lot of money in order to pay all debts and finance the country as a whole, also for Indonesia to be free from poverty? But apparently, printing as much money as possible is not a solution to overcome the Indonesian economy.

Why does not the state print a lot of money to pay all debts and finance the country as a whole, as well as for the State to be free of poverty? But apparently, printing as much money as possible is not a solution to overcome the Indonesian economy.

The reason, if the money is printed too much, then automatically the population will hold a lot of money. That way, our purchasing power is high and the goods we buy will decrease. The amount of money in circulation will cause inflation. This is an increase in the price of goods and a decline in the value of the currency.
11  Other / Meta / Re: [MERIT][NSFN] We're destroying more merits than we're sending. Like, way more. on: Today at 03:45:33 AM
Bump... updated with 4 months worth of data.

What stands out this month:

[...] 76% of newly created accounts in 2018(*) do not post. Taking that on to the 21K new accounts created last month, and assuming that they maintain the same behavioural trend, that would leave around 4.200 of those accounts that do post at some point or other.

If ~4200 new active accounts have been created in a month and 5000+ accounts have been banned then perhaps there is hope to turn the tide of shitposting.
12  Economy / Reputation / Re: OgNasty bending the truth. on: Today at 03:39:11 AM
Geeze, not another thread by a scammer frivolously contesting his scammer rating....

Then don't contest it here.
13  Economy / Reputation / Re: TMAN's thread for bitching about my tags. on: Today at 03:35:55 AM
Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?

No, but if someone is interested in that I would be happy to discuss it. In fact, I recently have just added you suchmoon. Would you care for an explanation? It feels weird that I've been scrutinized multiple times for asking for an explanation regarding my exclusions. I can understand not trusting someone for various reasons, but explicit distrust of them would seem to have been provoked by an action of behavior of the individual.

It's all right, I think we've come to a conclusion in the other thread that we disagree on the significance of these actions Smiley
14  Other / Meta / Re: grin is now accepted for forum payments on: Today at 03:14:08 AM
Forum's exchange rate seems to be ~350 grins per bitcoin or ~$10 per grin.
15  Other / Meta / Re: I like new DT on: Today at 01:54:57 AM
It's not just the number of ratings but also how quickly they get posted. I suspect some users are lurking on the ANN boards waiting for new threads to pop up and immediately check them for fake pics etc. By the time I happen to click on a new scam ICO thread it usually already has a red score.
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust Feedback Policies on: Today at 01:30:10 AM
Don't buy or otherwise acquire (e.g. as collateral) Bitcointalk account(s). Don't sell or otherwise let others use your Bitcointalk account(s).

If you acquire an account you can be held responsible for any actions of the previous owner(s), and if you let others use an account you can be held responsible for their actions as well, including scams and bannable offenses. You're likely to get red trust for the purchase/sale as it is considered a deceptive practice similar to fake documents IRL.



TBH I'm not really sure if you can list every possible offense. How about loan requests without proper collateral, newbie PayPal trades, etc.

And even if you can - are the people who do these things going to read this and comply?
17  Economy / Reputation / Re: TMAN's thread for bitching about my tags. on: Today at 01:15:38 AM
I have been updating it whenever I can think of a change to make; it has been difficult and is a work-in-progress. New information is always being presented/processed, and admittedly I can't keep track of all the dynamics around here.
I am always open to suggestions and new information. That's the purpose of me contacting TMAN for an explanation.

Are you contacting your every inclusion and exclusion as you're doing them, and present them with specific reasons for these changes?
18  Other / Meta / Re: yla1974 bun. on: January 16, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
correlation between accounts

It's in the thread title.

Hello. My friend's account was banned. Please tell me the reason for what happened. Thank you very much.

The reason is plagiarism AKA copypasta. You're welcome. Have a good day.
19  Other / Meta / Re: Ban Appeal RegulusHr on: January 16, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Who's gonna do all that work? Keeping track of thousands of users and counting their mistakes?

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.

I would like spam to stop. Please grant my wish and I'll grant yours. Until that happens I'll continue to disrespect shitposters regardless of their "age".
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Grin | PoW Mining | Electronic transactions for all. Community driven. on: January 16, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
RAM or for GPU's?

Both. At least 6GB on the GPU and 6-8 GB of virtual memory per GPU.
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