The attack on the Ukrainian people with the intent of erasing them as a nation and/or destroying their country. That kind of genocide. It's been 10 months, try to keep up.

I think the last two spots (Rollers and Chi) don't.

My prediction is that the final top 4 order will be the reverse of regular season standings.

Cows the champions, Barbarians, Jerkers, Coiners.

IIRC that's how I ended last year too, had a good run but unable to win games in the post season.

The Russian propaganda machine is quite gleeful about "bombing Ukraine into stone age", making Ukrainians freeze etc. They seem to have given up on any attempts to appear not totally genocidal. Veleor hasn't been able to reconcile the contradiction between "liberators" and "terrorists" yet, but I'm sure he'll get there eventually.

No cognitive dissonance whatsoever?




UN hasn't counted civilian deaths in Mariupol yet, nor in some other locations still under Russian control. Even then, the numbers you posted show more civilian deaths in the 10 months of invasion than in the 8 years prior to it, let alone the numbers from the most recent years. So not sure what you're trying to prove or disprove here.

Here is the quote in case you somehow managed to miss this statement in the article you linked to:



Nice attempt to move the goal posts. Your statement was "[for] some reason, you don't ask yourself that bayraktars have practically ceased to be talked about in the media". I don't know which media you're referring to, just saying that I do see Bayraktars mentioned in Z-channels. Also there were reports of Ukraine getting a supply of missiles that can be guided by TB2s, which (a) would be quite weird if they didn't have any TB2s and (b) might result in more "media" mentions for you.


I'm stating a fact. See, this might be the reason (or one of the reasons anyway) why you're so adamant that what I post is false or has bad intent or whatever. You seem to be reading what simply isn't there, like feelings. They have HIMARS. It's a fact.


... and here we go again. Seriously, aren't you tired of this yet?


That's not what I said. I said it'd be suicidal, and that they haven't used it yet, and those  two things might be related.

I can't predict the future but I'm reasonably certain that if someone is deluded enough to use nukes - they don't need much of a reason, so all this posturing about certain red lines (like Crimea) that Ukrainians should not cross makes no sense. Putin can decide to nuke anything for any reason or no reason at all, just like he decided to start the suicidal invasion. No point in trying to guess his mental state. So far he seems to grasp the reality of nuclear blackmail being useful only for the internal consumption on people like yourself. He might wake up tomorrow thinking he's invincible and push the button.


That was back when Putin still pretended to have some respect for the constitution. Did you really not learn anything about your country's history, even just 15 years back?


Nice try. Did they?

The bank doesn't get your money when you die, unless you designate the bank as your beneficiary, which would be quite weird.

I know, it seems weird, but maybe Putin ran out of polonium or novichok.

Congratulations to Hueristic and South Park, well deserved and very convincing wins.



Not sure which team I should root for in the championship game. Which one of you is supposed to be the underdog?

Heuristic can't lose, maybe should bench Allen just to make sure he doesn't get 300 negative yards

I don't think I have any chance either... Even if Ekeler is completely out for some reason, I'd need Herbert to put up 32 points, which he has never done this season. Ok, technically he got 31.76 once and that would be barely enough for me tonight but again, there is no indication that Ekeler wouldn't play.

I said "[you] post Z-links and other Russian propaganda as facts." You responded by saying that I post Western propaganda as facts. That is whataboutism as defined above (counter-accusation). And even if your counter-accusation were true, it doesn't make any sense as a counter-argument. "someone else does it too" doesn't work as an excuse even for toddlers.


I don't really consume the media the way you imagine. Most of the information about the war I'm getting from TG, both Russian and Ukrainian channels. When I post links to media sites it's likely because they're more accessible. I doubt I ever claimed they only publish absolute truth and nothing but the truth, but your rebuttals are quite pathetic. Like trying to claim that a couple thousand Ukrainians surrounded in Mariupol for a month managed to bomb themselves while defending against 20 BTGs of Russian forces. Makes no sense. Or that some social media comment is proof of something. Photo/video/witness evidence beats armchair expert opinions IMO.


I kinda expected that "genocidal dictator" will trigger you, but holy crap, this is a lot of work to justify the old deluded wannabe tsar.

But let's assume in some contrived alternate universe Putin's invasion was justifiable. How do you imagine he's going to achieve his objectives? So far he's managed to kill many more Donbas residents than were killed in the prior 8 years, and left a huge trail of destruction everywhere, from ruined Mariupol (or e.g. Severodonetsk - not even basic services/utilities functioning 6 months after occupation) to the capital of one of their new republics Kherson, which they're bombing non-stop killing supposedly new Russian citizens (TBH I don't really follow the annexation logic if there is one).


Which media? I see them mentioned a lot, particularly in Russian channels. Seems that Bayraktars are now mostly on recon duty, what with Ukrainians having better weapons like HIMARS now. Of course Russians could be lying, that sometimes happens too


Number of airplanes Ukraine had and number of HIMARS launchers it received - both are well known. I'd dig them up but it seems kinda pointless since you'd find someone on the internet saying that it's not true and that will be your rebuttal.


The most recent war started on false information that I remember was the invasion into Iraq, and it wasn't tabloids, it was bad intelligence. So I'd still say that your claim is absurd. If anything the UK/US yellow media tends to dig up shit that discredits their military, because again - catchy headlines, clicks, and revenue.


Yes. And likely that's how it will end in any case, give or take the exact line the withdrawal will happen at.


It'd be suicide though. I'm sure even the most deluded kremlinists can figure that one out, otherwise they'd have nuked Kyiv long time ago.


Makes one wonder why he isn't in charge of the "special operation" then. Might have something to do with him being a drunk troll, although it's cute how you think that Medvedev was in charge of anything in 2008 when Putin let him sit on the throne for a few years.


Their data is not based on opinion - they provide photo/video evidence, which is a lot more than you get from Konashenkov (or UA General Staff for that matter).

Maybe you don't get that this is a discussion forum. Earning enough merits for an avatar is not a huge hurdle for someone presumably smart enough to run a business. A handful of good posts could do it. Or a few dozen average ones. If one is not interested in that, and only wants advertising - I don't see why the forum needs new features to allow that.

Ability to post images serves a purpose for a discussion - you know, the activity that this forum is supposed to be about. Avatar or signature - not so much, it's mostly for advertising, and if someone wants to spend money on advertising they can just pay someone else to wear an avatar or a signature. Doesn't require theymos to do anything.

I don't care much either way though. Seeing copper with low merit count is already a red flag, adding a paid avatar to it would only make it easier to see what the user is here for.

Don't start giving them ideas lest they pay out in tacos or in Tito's gift vouchers.

Although the thought of Volder getting 10 thousand tacos is quite amusing.

What exactly is your "service"? Posting incoherent illiterate garbage on the internet?

Or perhaps stolen credit cards? FBI might want a piece of that.

I don't. And - as usual with whataboutism deflection - you failed to indicate whether those two things are supposed to be positive or negative. Either case doesn't make sense, but it would be nice if you clarified this point.


No, I'd say I have a pretty good understanding. Here is a quick recap if you need help: your genocidal dictator invaded Ukraine.


There was never any proof beyond speculation of Ukrainians having that many, let alone any proof of Russians destroying that many. It's even more ridiculous with airplanes (because none are being delivered from abroad) and HIMARS launchers (numbers of which are quite public) that Konashenkov destroys in numbers large enough that make even the aforementioned Z-voyenkors cringe.


Tabloids publish headlines that draw attention. That's how they get the clicks and the revenue. They don't make policy. I know media is fucked up in Russia, but come on, you must have at least some theoretical understanding on how it works? Do you really think The Sun can start a world war?


Damn, you still think Zelensky as a person and/or his "regime" is what's important in this war. Here's the thing. Putin gives an order to retreat - war ends. Or if he croaks - there's a good chance war ends too. Zelensky does that - war most likely doesn't end. Take a minute to think about that.


Oryx collects photo or video proof and goes to painstaking lengths to verify/deduplicate/identify the equipment. As far as sources go, it's one of the best. It's quite telling that you try to discredit it based on who posted the link.

It's ok, we've known this for a while.

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Here's the result for my thread (I picked one with the ~most verbose OP of the last 20 but I tried a few others with similar results):



Here's the result for ChatGPT text I posted in the other AI thread:



Absolutely bulletproof sample size of 1, I know.

I tried to coach the bot but it failed even more miserably:





Edit: I was able to drop this to "very human" with a small edit of a few words, let's see if you can spot it.




If I misspell "squirel" I can make it "no fucking way this is not written by a human, AIs don't do spelling errors". Interestingly, bot's own spelling error ("it's" instead of "its") didn't make a difference.



So what did we learn here? I think the lesson is that I should get back to work instead of playing with the AI detector, even though it seems more exciting than the AI itself.

The series of unfortunate pipeline events continues.


Surprisingly they don't blame Biden, perhaps that would be a bit of a stretch even for the library of amazing tales that is Russian propaganda.

I don't think you really can't see the difference... come on. LTU_btc posted it as an example of a false claim, it's absurd to imply Z-support here. You post Z-links and other Russian propaganda as facts. You also post Konashenkov's (who claims to have destroyed more bayraktars, airplanes, and HIMARS launchers than Ukraine ever had) bullshit unironically. Then you claim that British tabloids are starting WW3.

But if you are indeed serious about this then is seems that Putinism has caused you severe brain damage. Seek help.

Oops... might have overestimated himself.



I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.

Scraping seems to be ok now, but Tor Browser is getting 403s on all Bitcointalk images, I'm guessing this is again CF doing something.

Congratulations Hueristic and South Park.

If I'm looking at this right, Corpse is out, and Cows are in. Barbarians are obviously in. And I think I'm playing Cows again next week