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101  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Noob Mistakes on: October 22, 2015, 06:58:36 AM
I always loved how people though they knew how to trade until they lost money and complained that Bitcoin was dying.

Honestly, that's a good thing though (for Bitcoin). Simply being that the person with greater knowledge has an edge and therefore can make money off people you don't have such knowledge (i.e. people who don't know how to trade). If the market had semi-strong-form efficiency nobody it would be very hard to make anything - defeating the whole purpose of trading.
102  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Getting a living from Gmabling alone is possible? on: October 22, 2015, 06:51:58 AM
Can a full time gambler lead a life just from the earning from gambling. I think it's possible when we get some experience over time. But some of friends claim they are all successful from day one itself.
It would be nice if you share your experience whether a modern days internet gambling will provide enough and regular money for getting a living out of it.

Yes but it's extremely difficult - and requires a crap load of skill. You could make money out of poker/sports betting - which people have done before - but honestly with the time it takes to learn something like this properly you'd just be better off getting a degree and a job. There are a lot of people who try to make it to professional levels - but don't make it. Then there are stories of pros who spend a night in Vegas and find they have a natural knack for it.
103  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who really uses bitcoin? on: October 22, 2015, 06:45:32 AM
and why does it matter?

Because if you don't figure out why people don't want to use Bitcoin - you'll never get over that hurdle and you put the whole notion of societal adoption at risk. You don't need every single person to accept it as a currency - just enough for merchants to accept it on the same level as fiat.
104  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin on: October 22, 2015, 06:38:36 AM
A stable price is good for bitcoin but in my predictions only a higher prices would attract more investors. Stale prices would make merchants hold their bitcoins as well as miners. Stable prices are opening point of higher prices. My prediction is higher prices than we can see stable prices.

Stable prices would promote adoption though. From a merchant's perspective you don't want to accept Bitcoin and then discover you've actually made a loss if you didn't trade it back to fiat fast enough. Stable prices would convince merchants that as a measure of value Bitcoin is stable - and therefore they would be happy to hold them/spend them (as is Bitcoin is designed for - for use as a currency - rather than a commodity).
105  Economy / Economics / Re: What you will do if bitcoin price drops to 50$ and you have lots of bitcoin on: October 22, 2015, 06:36:47 AM
I'd probably buy a bit more - depending on my expectations of whether Bitcoin has a future or not. It would really depend on what caused the fall in the first place - if I didn't know why I doubt I'd invest in pure speculation. If it was something that seemed like a short term factor leading to undervaluation I'd be happy to get some more.
106  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: October 21, 2015, 03:19:41 AM
If you guys want to talk strategy look at Dooglus.  I was reading some of the posts he was making.  The guy is just good at math.  He seems to understand what it takes to manipulate the expected value, although it won't be positive it gets it closer to 50%.  Worth reading

Yeah, but dooglus has also stated in one of his posts that you can't win in the long term. In the short term, the house edge is beatable, but in the long term you will lose, as the maths are against you.

Long term is undefinable as it constitutes infinity. You'd expect to approach a loss as you increase the total number of bets made - but he most definitely would not say you 'cannot' win. It's just statistically unlikely - there's always a chance a guy makes 1 million bets and wins all of them or he win 500001 and losses 499999 therefore giving him an overall profit. For an individual - unless you're making like 1 billion bets or something the variance is by far a bigger factor than just the pure -EV alone (unless you skew the -EV by a significant margin).
107  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: My goal to earn 1,000bitcoins within 3years on: October 21, 2015, 03:10:18 AM
Join my pump grup and make 5-20BTC a month depending on risk you take.
Just check my sig. Playing this easy you will be able to make 0.1-0.5 a month easily like all my members did.

Earn 0.1-0.5 a month easily? how about the risks?
Is there any guarantees that your member will always win without lose anything?


Honestly, I have a better idea that has less risks and probably pays better (depending on the country you're in). It's called a job.

Seriously though - 0.5 a month is about $140 USD a month. If you can't make $4USD a day from your job - you're either in an extremely underdeveloped country (in which case how do you have access to the internet) or you're just too lazy.

As a side note - saying you can make X amount depending on risk is like saying you can make $100 million dollars from a lottery ticket. It's implicit that risk = reward - it's just whether the risk is worth it in proportion for the reward or are there better options elsewhere.
108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Use cases. What do you actually use Bitcoin for? on: October 21, 2015, 03:04:15 AM
Holding bitcoin till it becomes currency of world must be appreciated. More over spending bitcoin only to get back more bitcoin also a wise idea but I do not see how practically feasible in the world with most of programs turn scam. Anyway nice thoughts to use bitcoin for long holding.

Your going to be holding onto it for quite a long time if you think it'll reach worldwide adoption as a currency. Given how developed the fiat markets are - alongside how much regulation would be needed/infrastructure to support Bitcoin transactions/awareness about it in general as well as putting trust in it - it will probably take more than a lifetime if it'll happen at all. Bitcoin is more of an interesting experiment - one that is rather unique but hasn't gotten far in comparison to real financial scales.
109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the Banking Industry kill Bitcoin and keep the Blockchain? on: October 21, 2015, 03:01:28 AM
Every financial institution and every Bank seem to have their eyes set on the bitcoin and bitcoin these days...

Not sure what in the world is telling you this. The banks haven't been particularly interested in Bitcoin since the hype fell down (alongside the value) and the public stopped caring about it at all. To be honest, they've probably re-evaluated and found it to be less of a threat than they thought it could be.

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But being Bitcoin as a currency the main competitor to banks and the traditional financial system, won't it be possible to see Banks trying to stifle bitcoin while investing in the Blockchain?

Why in the world would they bother keeping the blockchain without Bitcoin? Unless we're talking altcoins (fiat is already suitable) the blockchain by itself doesn't have really any banking relevance.
110  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: October 18, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
There are sports bettors especially those bettors in some popular international event like when NBA FINALS starts, FIBA Asia or Championship in our Local Basketball League etc. who just placing there bet with only speculation and sometimes for showing some support in their team. Not all sports bettors are well experienced. Some are just riding the wave (like in our local thread where I placed bet for our local league, others try it without experience) and hope their beginner's luck will gain them profit.

I'd argue that a majority of bettors aren't particularly experienced. Most do it for a small amount of recreational fun more than anything else - just to get a kick out of the match. There are of course more serious bettors who watch all the matches and abide by some set of rules they set themselves and even more serious ones who develop predictive models and compile data regularly to try and find an edge - but these people (especially the latter) are extremely rare.
111  Economy / Gambling / Re: After 1 year of diversified bitcoin dice house bank investment we lost 32.46% on: October 18, 2015, 02:47:36 AM
3 sites going bust out of 8. Not good at all.
Gambling at sites seem to have better odds than investing in gambling sites.

It's not entirely surprising though - given the fact that there is little to no accountability this is something the con artists are more than happy to do. Honestly I'm more surprised there aren't more dice sites trying to prey on people. Most of these sites are happy to exist for a year or so and go for the long con to eventually scam - although I do agree it is a sad state of affairs.
112  Other / Off-topic / Re: Complete the sentence... "I would sell all my Bitcoins if..." on: October 18, 2015, 02:43:18 AM
.... Prices have risen + 10% of the purchase price to me and when I need money.

Unless you bought at $1000, that's pretty low to be selling "all" of your btc

Honestly, for those guys - they might simply because if they don't expect it to sustain that price for a significant time period they'd rather run with a small profit than a large loss (I know I would). Or I guess you could go with the alternate reasoning which is that they'll never sell unless they make loads simply because they've had to wait such a long time.

I personally would never sell everything - only scenario I could think of is when I'm completely broke and in dire need of resources.

113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: cash remains the only option if there's an emergency on: October 18, 2015, 02:40:58 AM
Depends on the severity of the emergency I would think. If you had a major worldwide disaster which killed off half the population and a majority of crop land etc. you'd expect that cash and gold be less relevant simply because there would be demand for things like food and shelter whereas cash and gold are useless (unless they can buy things). If society recedes far enough you would simply return to the barter system - it takes society as a whole to choose a currency/token for it to be useful.
114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any female BitcoinTalker around you? on: October 18, 2015, 02:36:57 AM
But yes not too many ladies are at all in the crypto space. Last I heard is that this is more than 95% male space which is quite shocking.

Not really - given the fact that Bitcoin generally requires a reasonable interest in technology (let alone cryptography for proper understanding of the actual architecture) as well as finance which is something that women traditionally have had less of a focus on.
115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's stopping people from using bitcoin? on: October 17, 2015, 02:12:36 PM
A lack of knowledge about even the existence of Bitcoin keeps a majority of consumers away. For the rest of us - there are some who know but don't bother simply because it's more effort to buy Bitcoins and then spend them than just use your credit card to buy whatever you want to buy. It might cost a bit more in terms of fees - but people are always willing to pay a small premium for convenience.
116  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in Stocks With Bitcoin on: October 17, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
I presumed that you want to invest in "ordinary stocks" at the general markets (NYSE, Nasdaq...). In case you want to invest in Bitcoin stocks traded at havelock, cryptostocks, mpex and the like, you should be aware that a large percentage of these so-called "stocks" are in fact unregulated junk bonds with an insanely high probability of scam, because many of these "companies" don't even have a valid address.

So much this. There are already fake stocks on the actual stock market - but Bitcoin is an unregulated space - giving money over for promised returns without actually knowing the people behind it (i.e. accountability) is literally a decision to toss your Bitcoin away. If people really needed funding and they had a viable project they wouldn't have a lot of difficult in securing decent funding (i.e. venture capital).
117  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is Bitcoin better that fiat? on: October 17, 2015, 01:51:42 PM
The most significant advantage is its free of entry: Anyone can just buy a miner and start to mine bitcoin, but you can't just buy a printer and start to print fiat money  Grin

Similarly, those blockchains that are privately created by governments, banks or enterprises will not have the free of entry property, so they are far less attractive than bitcoin

Free of entry also means that bitcoin will be continuously redistributed in future (in form of fee paid to future miners) to reduce the effect of early adopter wealth concentration, this is another superior property



The problem is it isn't actually free entry. There are associated costs - the miner will likely never/barely pay for itself meaning you are actually taking a loss or a very small profit which you could probably get in other investments. The reality is that Bitcoin isn't better at the moment - simply because there is less ability to use it in comparison to fiat. Sure you can convert it to fiat - but why bother have Bitcoin if you are just gonna convert it.
118  Economy / Gambling / Re: ALL TENNIS BETS on: October 17, 2015, 04:31:48 AM
Just a piece of advice - if you're going to put down your bets you might as well include odds, unit size and a running tally of profit/losses. Otherwise, for people looking to follow you they don't have an indication whether you actually know what you're doing.

On a side note, I agree on the Nadal matchup - do think Nadal has a better shot than the bookies think he does.
119  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why did you come to Bitcointalk? on: October 17, 2015, 04:27:30 AM
Originally because it was the only place to talk about Bitcoin. When I joined Bitcoin was tiny. To be honest, in my books it still is. While it's come a long way - it has a long way to go before it amounts to anything important. Now it's just to get some news and ideas and insight.
120  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: October 17, 2015, 04:22:40 AM
For people to truly understand this loss in the long run thing , one must experienced it to fully know the output of doing gambling for a long run.

Long run means long and painful death, nobody gets rich gambling.

In long run, no one will win with the odds. Except they play small form their bankroll.
Either in sportbooks, dice, casino and poker. Bankroll management is crucial aspect.

I would contest poker and sportsbooks. Both are possible to profit off in the long term as in a majority of cases you are playing against other bettors and not the house. The house takes a cut and no risk - so if you're better than your opponents you can win. Of course being good enough to win and cover the cut the house takes isn't easy and hence you rarely hear of people who actually do come out ahead.
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