In many ways it was inevitable that Elon would abandon ship from this company eventually, he is a very manipulative figure and currently tied up with his vanity project Twitter - which he vastly overpaid on but it feeds his psychopathic and narcissistic behavior. Tesla made most of it's money for many years from selling it's carbon credits to other automotive manufacturers, but they have caught up now and are starting to be ruthless competitors again. Tesla doesn't have much unique and many people bought into it just because it went up in value without doing a proper analysis of it. Ignoring stock splits it went up about 10 times in price from 2019 onwards, so a correction was bound to happen because it simply was not profitable enough to justify it. |
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Online Casinos Without Online Presence/Community
From my observations, I think online casinos without online presence or community of users are likely to scam any user and get away with it easily, and it doesn't matter if they have a high trust rating, this is because when they refuse to process your withdrawal and the customer support is not responding or not helping, the user in reality have no place to complain that will force the casino to pay him of lose a great number of their users if not all...
Like for example, if a casino have a community on bitcointalk, and you are a user of that casino, at any time you have an issue with that casino and the customer support is not helping, bringing such issue to their community on bitcointalk will force the casino to find solution(s) immediately so that they don't lose their other customers in the case where they are the ones at fault..
But a casino without any kind of community anyway, if as a user, you encounter any problems and the customer refuse to help you, you are absolutely helpless, and complaining on forums where the casino is not even known won't help because it does not affect the casino on their business, they probably won't see your complaints, neither would their other customers do, so certainly, they won't answer and their other customers also don't know what is going on.. So it is best to avoid such casinos in my best opinion..
This is just one out of many types of online casinos to avoid, so let's make the discussion long, what other types of online casinos do you think gamblers should avoid? You never can tell, your advice might help someone in a short of long way.
It seems like a natural evolution that a casino or sportbook would grow a presence online as they try to attract their customer base. One of the best ways to grow customers in this lucrative and highly competitive business is to make sure your name sits among all the other casinos on places like this or review sites. The only way to do that is by making connections, keeping customers engaged on this type of community and dealing with situations where a customer feels aggravated. If you were to ignore places like this, leaving complaints in the public forum unhandled, then it gives an impression that your site is not trustworthy which is a major part of getting customers to deposit in the first place. |
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ok first.
a commodity is a base product used to produce other products
300 years ago this was raw produce..
such as
beef=burger
gold= jewellery
oil=fuel
it then evolved into
mortgage agreements=derivative baskets
and now they(regulators) wish to call any mainnet(base producer) crypto currency that has a bridge/peg mechanism to a token. to be classed as a commodity
EG
ethereum=NFT erc-20 tokens like FTT
bitcoin=liquid
..
so now lets delve into my point of comparison between how the fiat commodity market of say wheat. compares to the crypto commodity market of say ethereum
fiats crypto commodity of ethereum has no limited supply much like wheat
but bitcoin does have a limited supply (like gold/oil)
so when deciding to get into the wheat or ethereum market. both are comparable.
however some notable fiat investors such as warren buffet dont actually buy wheat stock. instead the buy farms that produce wheat. so that if wheat has a good year the farm has a good year and thus buffet wins via a better farm valuation.
if wheat has a bad year. buffet can still sell the farm and recoup some value from seling the land, harvester equipment,
however in crypto. because it doesnt own land or buildings to set up a crypto business
if avoiding ethereum but wanting to buy a company that creates/uses ethereum.. those companies are not actually valued as well as real commodity produces of farming wheat
EG buying an exchange like FTX has no fully owned office space, and employees work remotely thus no electronic assets to sell. (they rent amazon AWS servers)
this means for instance if you bought into FTX becasue they do stuff with ethereum.. if their ethereum deposits have a bad year. ftx has nothing of value... as we all learned
(ftx had alot of ethereum an its other tokens were ethereum pegged tokens)
mining pools or staking syndicates have no central land/office/servers that have value to the company(its all decentralised)
so the warren buffets of fiat investment. dont want to get into crypto business purchasing and have never been into buying the underlying commodity(asset) whether fiat based or crypto based
this is also true for the so called "trusts" (premature ETF's)
though they sell shares/tokens of a trust and have collateral of commodity assets. the fiat investors that plan investments the same way as warren buffet wont buy the trust shares or even ownership stakes of the management companies of the trusts.
even if regulated(some think its the hold up of mainstreaming) to show accounting and viable/sustainable reserves. if the commodity prices shrink. there is not enough office building ownership or land or equipment of these crypto companies to have a separate good value worth investing in as a backup to the underlying asset stored in collateral
again take FTX. it has no land, bought office or equipment. it was run by about 60 people who mostly worked remotely. thus there was no company equipment to put to auction should their FTT and ethereum (and bitcoin) disappear
there is no way we can get the warren buffet investor types to see crypto as something they would invest in even with extra regulation
You seemed to get confused about half way through your ramble. The FTX company, like any other, was valued on what it could earn, it's customer funds did not show up on it's books as company assets (that it owns or can spend). FTX was making money from all the different fees, through different transaction types, that it was able to charge it's customers for being the guardian on those funds. At least that was how it was meant to work in practice. If it was a properly run company then customer funds would have been segregated, they would have moved in value with the market, but no creditors would have be able to take them away in an administration process if it failed - we can see all that was an illusion however because they were abused. |
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Sportsbet, an Australian betting giant, has said that it will support any move to prohibit the use of credit cards for gambling. The operator said that this type of payment method promoted a “play now, pay later” culture which was detrimental to the well-being of players and consumers. Here is a summary of the news below
The problem:Gambling with credit cards is high-risk in nature and could have serious financial consequences.
Proposed solution: Responsible Wagering Australia is putting forth a new interactive gambling legislation should block operators from offering credit cards as viable payment methods.
The Challenge: If this legislation is implemented, it would also affect lottery tickets, which would not be purchasable through credit cards anymore.
How Sportsbet is working to address the problem - They are building a “real-time intervention” solution that will allow it to leverage the power of AI to quickly predict customers’ daily deposits and send alerts when the depositing amounts begin to climb up too rapidly.
What other solutions can you think of?
This is really not a ground breaking concept and is already in place in many places like Europe, Australia are far behind in this respect. No doubt Sportsbet.com have made a decision that the bad press simply outweighs the ongoing benefit from the massive amount of money that they've raked in previously from credit card spending along with the massive debt that's put people in. No sensible politician could ever defend such a practice, as not only is it making casinos obscene profits, but the person afterwards is left with credit card debt which can be some of the most expensive interest rates you will pay to borrow. Undoubtedly they are trying to get ahead of the inevitable ban which should have happened long ago. |
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No better business soon then bodyguards and security.
AS we Also see that a lot scams happening for example FTX and now it look like binance is next.
But not just crypto other instutions scam people Also all of this creating more violance in the world and stress.
People who feel unjustice Will be unpredictble.
You better start IPO and ICO crypto start up companies with security and bodyguards service related.
Security will be only booming business for sure.
And off course the funeral service Will be booming Even more becouse many people Will take their Life by their own becouse many people Lost and lose money in crypto now and no more christmas for them.
The rich people the top elite right now scam everybody else in the world that's the process what's going on now and many people lose all the money
Crypto exchanger ceo-s need most of those services lol 😃
Off course If they go to jail it's safer there but not together with general population lol 😁
Nothing much has changed, crime will tend to tick up a bit in recessions, however the richest are likely to keep their teams the same size if they have them in place already. The only thing that might nudge them to increase the size is if their wealth goes up or if they have received particular threats or think they are in danger for some other reason. What a depressing though about funeral services, but I guess nothing changes there either, in bad economic times when people feel a lot more desperate or don't have enough money to survive then tragedy is more likely to strike in different forms. The fact that food and energy costs are high could cause a lot of misery. |
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Are you familiar with this? Or has anybody here been actually charged for having his/her crypto gambling account inactive for several months?
The monthly charge could be as high as 15% of the remaining balance. Or, worse, the entire balance could be withheld by the platform itself. Although it could be for security's sake and be returned upon request, who knows what conditions or perhaps KYC information they would require just to have your money back?
For the sake of discussion, let's set aside the fact that one shouldn't leave money in gambling account wallets. Do you think this policy is fair?
This is similar to a bank policy that requires accounts to have transactions every now and then or be active or else dormancy fees could be charged. But this feels weird to a gambling platform. What happens to seasonal gamblers who don't mind leaving money in their account wallets? One could only be betting during annual work breaks or vacation or during annual sports championship events. Say, the NBA playoffs, The International, and others.
Edit:
As suggested, and probably for the interest of a better discussion, I'm quoting here a post of mine which mentioned a few crypto gambling platforms that are actually implementing certain policies pertaining to funds of inactive and dormant accounts.
It's pretty fascinating to see the range of different options that different casinos use to seize customer funds. In some ways I can see the justification for it after the account has been dormant for a year, because it might just be some "dust" left over in many cases and the person has long abandoned the casino with no intention to return. That seems like a fair amount of time for the casino to keep it open, although if they were super responsible they might just keep a note of the number and restore it if requested later. In reality there are no administration requirements at this point, as it can all be automated by scripts, they just try to add a cost so they can absorb the remaining funds without question. |
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Yes the solution is simple to provide liquity to markets and bail out exchangers like FTX then we get safer Streets people Will be happy and economy Will be booming. Also this money can be used to push up btc price doge shiba so to make crypto traders happy again and prosoerity Will come Also Market can be Nice volatile shorts and long positions getting payed Nice again  That way i: 401k the retirement funds all over the world specially Norway Has one of the biggest one. If we use all that 401k funds all the liquity problems Will be solved very easy. The guy who's very smart named Kevin o leary want Also the retirement funds come in crypto it should provide for binance futures insurance scheme funds. The money what is stand still on the 401k we should put in work And we don't need bodyguards and security lol 😃 And the good thing about using existing money is that we dont need to print money so we dont need to be afraid of inflation If we do use old money the retirement funds of the 401k You see guys how smart i am so good solution i have. Plz Merit If you like my idea You seem a little clueless the the actual numbers involved in the economy if you think these exchanges falling over have any effect on the financial stability of the wider economy. There are much greater things happening, like inflation, war and supply chain issues - these are the things having a real impact on the economy. Nobody is going to bail out these exchanges, because it doesn't affect the wider public and only affects people who gambled with their money by storing it there. There's no need to talk about 401k's or anything else, because those have trillions stored - the 8 billion that FTX lost is irrelevant to that scale. You really need to get a better grasp of economics and investing before sharing such ideas, as it looks a bit silly. |
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We all have a different experience how we started our first bet. Their are people who started bet without having any knowledge concerning it. Their are some people started with a help from a friend to bet and their are some who took their time to learn before they started paying bet.
How was your first start? Did you play blindly or spent some time to learn.?
I think everyone has played the lottery at some point in their lives and it's a form of gambling that is somewhat more normalized, that was probably the first introduction to it. Besides that, playing poker in a live setting in the biggest city of my country was the first real interaction, I remember saying that I was new to the table and several people there looked like they thought there may be an easy target. Played very tight and only a few hands out of maybe 50, but walked away up a couple hundred with a relatively low buy in, so it was a great experience. However looking back it was very much luck and maybe the players there were not as good as they thought. |
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If you are in twenties or early thirties and remain single, earn $3,000 after tax per month, you will probably save $1,000 if you, let's say, spend $500 to $800 on rental, a guest bedroom in a shared house/apartment, $500 on food, $50 on utilities, $150 on phone/internet bills, $400 on commuting costs or gas/maintainance if you have a used car, $200 on occasional entertainment or others. This $1,000 savings will allow you to invest or place a house down payment when time is ripe. Is this possible based on where you live ?
It seems like it might be an easy target but it's dependent on many individual circumstances - if you have kids to support then any spare cash might quickly disappear unless you're very careful with it. If you live alone and very frugally you might be able to save half or more. I'd say the more important thing is to learn about and choose to take on a bit of extra sensible risk by putting the money to work investing - for most people index funds would perform the best over individual company shares. Saving is unlikely to perform very well in times of low interest rates, as when rates were low you'd find it hard to find a bank paying out 2% or more, while the stock market was paying around 5-7% |
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According to CNN, researchers have hit a milestone in Nuclear fusion, I think this new development will change the power tussle to favor the US, if this technology can be fully harnessed they wouldn’t need to depend on Russia oil. But the problem is no one knows when this will happen, it took decades of research before scientists could make this breakthrough. When we do get the knowledge to harness the potentials of nuclear fusion, I believe there will be a battle between the private oil companies and government, they will fight and lobby to keep their billion dollar profit machines and their friends in congress will help them. It is our responsibility as a people to demand for restructuring of our energy to a cleaner and carbon-free environment. Source: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/12/12/politics/nuclear-fusion-energy-us-scientists-climate/index.htmlIt's definitely fascinating to read about the leap that they've made and it could really be one of the biggest leap forwards humanity has ever seen. However it still seems like there is a long way to go, because while they made more energy than they put in, they would need to scale it up massively to cover the cost of the energy from the laser, but it's the first step on the way completed. What I found as perhaps a curious side effect - maybe I read it wrong - was that helium was created from the process, which is currently is a finite resource on the planet that is irreplaceable. If we figured out how to produce it as a byproduct of this reaction, that would also be of massive benefit for it's many uses. |
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It is important to keep in mind that slot machines run on a normal household 120 Volt AC grounded outlet. As great as this sounds, one has to find good ways to optimize the electricity consumption. One has to properly monitor, track and report the things that negatively affect energy usage for both small and large area per square meter centers.
One must know how to use real-time data on billing methods, power quality and operating history to track maintenance needs and to help others(possibly staffs) around understand the significance of being energy-efficient.
To stay afloat in the casino business or any business of sort these days, it is important one has total control over electricity usage. Since energy demand for this resource has drastically increased, so has the cost of getting it and maintaining equipments because the faulty ones can impact the electricity costs too. One of the greatest mistake a business owner can make is to allow efficiency come at the cost of productivity.
What are some better ways to manage energy consumption for casinos in these economic recession times?
Seems like a rather abstract topic of discussion but energy consumption and conservation is definitely a hot topic at the moment. It is definitely going to vary wildly on what a casino can do to alleviate the power consumption aspect, as most people know they are often fully lit to confuse gamblers into forgetting the time of day and full of all sorts of glaring flashy lights to trigger curiosity. Maybe it is the local governments that should, via a fair taxation system, encourage these sort of businesses to be more responsible with their power usage. That could be a positive (carrot) in the sense that they are encouraged to fit solar panels at discounted rates or get punitive rates if they use more than necessary (the stick) approach. |
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Crypto holding company by the name of Bitcoin Group are on the move to buy the world oldest bank for approximately 15 million dollars .
The name of the bank is Bankhaus von der Heydt which was founded in 1754, the deal is already signed but the reason for this post is to understand where this is going.
Banks aren't ready to buy Bitcoin but now Bitcoin is buying bank? This is the most mind-blowing news of the year, I don't know about you guys. Here you go if you want to read more
Possibly some of the dullest and most irrelevant news really - certainly nowhere near the biggest story of 2022. We see FTX collapsing after losing $8 billion worth of customer funds due to incompetence and fraud, helping drag down crypto assets to new lows, that's a huge story. This is just a marketing gimmick that doesn't change the landscape at all. People are using their bank accounts to buy bitcoin for over a decade now, banks are fully in the loop and helped to fund the bitcoin boom from day one - they just don't want any direct exposure to the asset. They leave that to their investment arms or special hedge funds that are segregated, as they have a responsibility to stay stable and protect their customer deposits. |
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The Cryptocurrency casino is a multi-billion dollar industry and those who are already on top are spending more to stay on top because being on top means you enjoy the trust of the gambling community, you are preferred over the other casinos and you can double and triple your profit when there are special events like the World Cup
What new casinos or other casinos must do to land on the top 5 casinos in the industry, spend a lot for marketing, get a celebrity as the Casino's Ambassador, and address all concerns and issues what are the other factors they need to do for a new casino to catapult itself on the top.
It's definitely a difficult demand to break into that exclusive top 5 list at this point. The casinos that have established themselves there are sponsoring major sports competitions and they've spent many millions to get their name out there. They continue to spend and have a loyal customer base because they're able to self sustain with the income from customers while also offering many perks like free bets/welcome bonuses to entice players. It will cost a hell of a lot of money to gain traction, but to do so you'll also need to offer the breadth of casino games and sports betting functionality which will also cost huge setup fees to make sure it's all kept to the highest security standards. |
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The following could explain how many americans are supporting themselves despite not being officially employed. This past year, 39% of American professionals participated in freelance work, either part-time or full-time, according to Upworks new survey of 3,000 adults. Thats equivalent to 60 million Americans, up 3 percentage points since 2021 and a record high since Upwork has performed said survey starting in 2014. While it is not mentioned, I am wondering how many "freelancers" earn income in crypto related ventures? Crypto being one of the bigger employment and revenue creating opportunities of recent times, is it possible that a significant segment of side hustles are crypto based ventures? Or is the trend more evenly distributed throughout ride sharing apps, amazon delivery freelancing and purely internet based activities? Generation Z appears to be the largest freelancing demographic. Which makes sense given they're probably the most internet and technology literate. I think generation Z is also the largest crypto using and supporting demographic. With concerns lingering over future job automation and lack of wage growth. Could side hustles and freelancing work represent the natural progression for the future of job markets? If this is true, then could crypto also be prominently positioned to best leverage and fulfill needed areas of freelance finance, given its flexibility, adaptability and rapid deployment capabilities. It's not like the vast majority of people ever worked in an office to start with, that could be considered a "white collar" job with the comfort associated with it, as opposed to service, manufacturing or other jobs which employ many more people. I'd say rather than diminishing the salary or full time jobs, the technological improvements are a massive benefit in the earning power of people who embrace it properly. It gives people the opportunity to improve their lives if they are willing to put a bit more of their private time into it. As long as people give themselves enough rest and find a balance that works for them, then it would seem to be a great achievement of modern society that these new revenue streams are available. |
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I wouldn't say am much of a gambler the slightest bit, for so many reasons, but what stands as a peak reason for my concern is that of security.
All thanks to the advent of online casinos which gained massive popularity during the covid-19 era. Though the concern for security online as per being hacked or being a victim of phishing sites, looms. It is agreeably more fun visiting a live casino center with physically present spin machines.
Most of the places in my locale where these games are played seem to be a hub for miscreants looking for likely victims and observing the cash flow of individuals using these spin machines. It is not too long ago we learnt of the stabbing that happened in front of a las vegas casino and the recount of the perpetrator.
In a yuletide season as this, it is always advised to be cautious of locations one frequents, especially places where we have these spin machines; it is to save cash by preventing losing too much in the games and from unplanned mishap that might befall one when in the midst of such a surrounding.
Ever had such concerns for security when visiting live casino centers? or do other reasons prevent you from using these live casino centers? (please state it).
Casinos are honestly some of the safest places around in comparison to other venues - there is a fair bit of money floating about so they will have security teams that are able to deal with random players who are kicking off (when talking about a medium to large size casino at least). They will have CCTV and other security monitoring software that will be watching the floor with a manned operator, first on the look out for cheaters but secondly on the look out for any type of trouble makers. A casino is looking for people that are happy to hand over their money and people are more likely to relax when they feel totally safe, so it is definitely part of the environment that they want to engineer. |
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Last month a friend bought a phone from a merchant that offers Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) program. In fact it wasn't planned. Her phone had just gotten broken that morning and she had to get another one ASAP so as not to miss an important deal. She made initial deposit and then a repayment plan plus interests of 6months. Before I go on, what is Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL)? A buy now, pay later plan (BNPL) is a loan offered to a customer at the point of sale so they can purchase merchandise on credit but without a credit card. Popular options include Shop Pay Installments from Shopify, Affirm, Afterpay, Sezzle, PayPal, and Klarna. Many will run an instant soft credit check on the customer (the type that doesn’t affect your credit score), and then release funds for a point-of-sale loan. Customers have different options for paying off the loan balance, which typically depend on the company used and the amount borrowed; some payment options incur interest, but others do not, and some companies charge late fees or fees for missed payments. BNPL companies may offset the lack of interest charged to the consumer with a fee that they charge the retailer. Okay, back to the main gist. If she fails to make repayment on the loan plus interest within the said date every month, her access to most of the functionalities on the device will be locked. Since then she has been thinking, who really benefits from the Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) - the customer, the company or the BNPL vendor(third-party credit specialists that manage the BNPL program)? You give three choices and try to engineer the answer that only one can be the "winner" in this situation, however all three parties can benefit from this arrangement. The customer (your friend) got to purchase a phone immediately when she apparently did not have credit to buy one outright, the loan company was able to benefit because they made a (hopefully) small interest rate for agreeing to be an intermediary party who shoulders some of the financial risk and the phone manufacturer benefits from this setup because they're able to sell additional phones while another party takes on most of the risk. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement, as long as the interest rate and phone price are not jacked up too high. This goes to show the benefit of having an "emergency fund" for cases like this instead of having to rely on borrowed money. |
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How much do you tip a slot machine attendant?
For those who visit and still enjoy the services of these live casino operators, am curious as to know how you tip the attenders. Do you tip only when you are winning and how much is too much tip to give? Also, I do not think online casinos even have this option, but if there is, can you share?
In most parts of US, any payout of more than $1,200 is paid in person by the slot floor person. The tipping here starts with a minimum amount of $20 and can be up between 3-10 percent of the jackpot reward. It however, depends on the discretion of the customer.
Do you think it is necessary to give tips or it is just a tradition that is required?
The tipping culture that America has is totally bizarre and alien to how most countries operate, so it's a bad guide stick to how you should be expected to react. Why would you give anything specifically to "slot machine attendants"? It's not like they're a croupier that is running a game table which requires a lot of concentration and skill to perform. These people should be paid an adequate wage to do a rather basic job, which I can only assume entails helping customers with how to play games and maybe running drinks - hardly an intense job or something special. Sure, if you get a big win you might tip a staff member or two who are close by, besides that I doubt they are expecting anything more. |
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Now you have $100,000 in your account, pure savings, and you don't need this amount of money to cover your daily expenses. Obviously it's good/free money to use at will. Let's say if you deposit the money into a bank and the annual interst rate is 3%, you will get a steady interest income year by year. If you use this money to buy Bitcoin, let's say the BTC drops to $17,000, you'll buy less than 6 Bitcoins. In the long run, what would you do with this money ? And why ?
Depositing money will never make you rich but investing has the potential to pay off in the long run. However many people think they can quick double or triple their money without realizing the investment requires a very long term commitment to do it properly. That means continuing to contribute new sums over time and on a regular basis while practicing and refining your strategies. It is not a "fire and forget" type venture because the moment you start ignoring your money it can go very wrong. The best investors are the people who accept small rewards over a long time (5-10% per year) from dividend payouts, rather than trying to pick stocks which may go up in price and are highly volatile. |
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If you have a look at the scam accusation section, you will find that no casino has a good reputation there. Each and every casino which has their ANN thread here, has at least one complaint against them; sometimes confiscated funds, delayed withdrawal, not paying the winning, freezing account etc. Why this is the principal of all the casinos? Why they can't operate without having any issues? They always do this shit; who knows what has been done with people who don't know how to deal with such a casino. Can you show me a thread that never had any reputation issues on this forum?
You should appreciate that people get very angry when they lose money and often feel aggrieved because of it. There are definitely some legitimate complaints out there when it comes to casinos and it requires a fair look at each individual case, however I would hazard a guess that many of them are just disgruntled customers who cannot accept that they wasted their money and are looking for a way to get revenge against the people who took it. Anyone who does just a little research and has a basic comprehension of mathematics will understand that given enough time casinos simply do not need to cheat, they are designed from the ground up to take money from customers due to the advantage each game gives them. |
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Everything inflationary and fiat based appears headed towards a crash.
This should be bitcoin's time to shine!
BTC was designed and engineered to thrive during conditions such as these. Does anyone have an inkling as to why this is not occurring? Specifically? Having followed financial markets and news cycles for many years, I feel like I have seen more pieces of the puzzle than most. There are a few different angles to bitcoin not doing as well as an inflation protected and recession protected asset, as it should be.
I think most would agree inflation and recessions are terrible. What steps can we take to mitigate issues relating to these negative trends in the future? Can crypto be upgraded and rebooted in a way to offer hard inflation protection consumers around the world seek. What valuable lessons and insights can we takeaway from current market and asset trends? What have people learned from this disaster?
If you were rebooting bitcoin in a way to protect it from being traded like an equity. Which suggestions or alterations could be made? Would anyone be interested in hearing my ideas on the topic?
Unlike what you seem to believe, Bitcoin is just a currency at the end of the day. It's a way to transfer value from one place to another but should not be needed for any other purpose. It's nothing like a company, where money actually gets put to work in order to make more money which can then be paid out in the form of profits. It's not even like gold which has useful attributes in things like jewelry or electronics. At best it could be considered a collectible item but it's gambling if you try to predict which way it is going - as we've seen in the massive highs which have fallen almost 75%. Maybe by the time the next bull market comes around, which this is predicting could take a long time, it will climb back up again. |
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