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281  Economy / Economics / Re: How to gain money on: December 20, 2023, 07:42:41 PM
Without:
Charity, begging, illegal, stocks, trading.
The point is, if you have zero capital, you have to start from what skills you have. Actually it's not complicated, you just need to be consistent which is common practice. If you don't have the skills to learn, now it's fun to learn on Google and YouTube.

There are lots of ways to earn money on the internet as long as you are persistent in doing it, you can make tutorials such as becoming a blogger or YouTuber or dropshipper so that you can have income and this income can be diverted to investing in Bitcoin. for the long term. In essence, we get money to invest so that we can have passive income because this is the truest way to achieve financial freedom. If we don't have passive income, we won't be able to achieve financial freedom until we are old enough to work because we have to continue working to meet our daily needs. The most important thing to start with is never give up. One more thing, don't jump around while studying, be persistent until you can.
282  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Apa Pendapat Kalian Tentang Boikot Produk Israel? on: December 20, 2023, 07:23:36 PM
Gerakan boikot ini pasti akan menimbulkan pro kontra dikalangan masyarakat, terlebih bagi mereka yang mendukung Israel dalam konflik yang terjadi, karena tidak bisa dipungkiri bahwa akan selalu ada pendukung baik itu Palestina dan Israel.
Untuk saya pribadi, saya menilai gerakan ini adalah sebuah gerakan kecil yang bisa dilakukan oleh simpatisan yang membela Palestina. Saya tidak akan mempermasalahkan gerakan ini, pasalnya mengikuti atau tidaknya itu akan dikembalikan pada kita sendiri atau dengan kata lain itu menjadi sepenuhnya hak kita. Namun jangan sampai kita salah mengartikan gerakan ini, seperti merusak dan menggruduk produk atau toko yang di boikot misalnya. Cukup untuk tidak membeli dan memakai saja itu adalah hal yang terbaik jika kita mengikuti gerakan ini.
Untuk perekonomian, saya tidak bisa mengatakan dampaknya secara pasti, karena saya yakin tidak semua orang mengikuti gerakan ini, entah itu angkanya lebih besar atau lebih kecil.

Benar sekali mas saya setuju dengan pendapat mas.
Benar-benar pro dan kontra sih,tapi ya itu menurut saya pribadi kita cukup tidak membeli atau memakai produk nya israel.
Kalau menurut saya soal perekonomian,jika memang benar adanya produk israel harus di musnahkan menurut ku itu pasti akan berdampak pada perekonomian,soalnya kan Indonesia juga pasti dapat keutungan dari adanya pabrik-pabrik,terus kan yang kerja dipabrik juga pasti yang kerjanya orang Indonesia jika pada d phk kan udah pasti ekonominya terganggu.
Nah .. Ini kesempatan untuk Indonesia harus mulai mandiri bukan? memanfaatkan momen pembaikot yang terjadi sekarang, sudah seharusnya Indonesia tidak tergantung kepada produk asing meski tidak semua tapi setidak mengurangi, apalagi kepada negara-negara penjahat kemanusiaan. Sudah waktunya memperdayakan produk lokal, memakai tekhnologi yang kira-kira bisa dibuat anak bangsa. Dari sekian banyak orang Indonesia pasti ada yang bisa membuat apa yang bisa dibuat negara lain.

Kalau ingin perekonomian dalam negri kita berkembang dan meningkat, harus ada perputaran aktifitas jual beli dalam negri. Sehingga akan meningkatkan perekonomian dan kesjehteraan rakyat, dengan kreatifitas yang di miliki oleh anak bangsa tentunya. Kalau pun ada yang di PHK ini bisa atasi kembali ketika banyak pengusaha bikin produk lokal yang berkualitas agar bisa go internasional. Kita Indonesia manyoritas Islam sudah selayaknya kita lakukan apa yang harus kita lakukan masa kalah dengan negara-negara barat yang secara masif melakukan boikot produk negera penjahat kemanusian.
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284  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ on: December 17, 2023, 07:30:37 AM
Aston Villa need a bit of a miracle to win the Premier League. I'm not underestimating them, but if we're talking about a long league journey, a team like Aston Villa really needs a very good player rotation arrangement. Honestly they don't have good squad depth. This means that if several key players are injured, it is likely that they will under-perform. I just hope that Aston Villa can continue to show their best matches because teams like them are the most interesting to watch.
Yes I also feel that it is very impossible for Aston Villa to win the EPL league, especially since the league still has a long way to go. Of course the Aston Villa squad is not strong enough to continue playing consistently considering the depth of the squad is still very uneven between core players and reserve players, this is different from other teams such as Liverpool, Asrenal and Man City. They managed to finish in fourth place, which seems like an extraordinary achievement for them.

Aston Villa's success cannot be separated from the intelligence of its coach who can utilize existing players. This is what Unai Emery looks like. When coaching a team that could be considered mid-table, he often succeeded in taking teams from the bottom to the top, such as at Valencia, Sevilla and now Aston Villa.
285  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 16, 2023, 08:26:32 PM
I expect Liverpool to do well. Teams dropping from the Champions League to the Europa League are strong, but Liverpool has a deep squad. While their Europa League loss was disappointing, Klopp's focus on the Premier League, especially against Man United, explains it. Liverpool's Premier League leadership shows their strength and competitiveness. Along with Leverkusen, they're Europa League favorites. Liverpool's roster depth and Klopp's plan make them hard to beat. Im confident Liverpool will perform well in the Europa League's last 16 alongside UCL opponents.
Of course Liverpool will do their best in the European league this season. Because if Jurgen Klopp can bring Liverpool to become UEL champions this season then Jurgen Klopp will win all the trophies with Liverpool. because Jurgen Klopp has never won the UEL trophy with Liverpool, so I see Jurgen Klopp has big ambitions to be able to bring Liverpool to become UEL champions this season, with the squad they have I think all their opponents in the top 16 will be ready defeated.

This week Liverpool will face a big match against Man United, I think this match is also a moment for Liverpool to win so they can have high self-confidence because with this win their position in first place will not drop, and this will of course have an effect on the match European leagues too.
286  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 16, 2023, 08:11:24 PM

I thought Erik Ten Hag was a good coach when he came to Manchester United last season. He was sure he was going to end the era of Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp in the Premier League. With the performance of Manchester United both in the Premier League and Champions League this season, it is proven that Erik Ten Hag is nowhere near Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

A coach who always fights with his players, for example Jordan Sancho, Varane, Casemero. A poor coach who can't maintain harmony in his team.
Even though those players were bought at a high price and 2 of them were players who were bought in the Ten Hag era.
Yes that's right. Even though all of Erik Tan's players have been chosen, Man United is still inconsistent. I think United fans are probably the only community in England who want to protest against the club owners. However, the results did not match expectations. In the current era, I see this team only as a commercial team. Whatever the condition, in terms of trend they are still selling as public figures, in the end, performance seems to no longer be a priority.

I used to think that at that time Man United really chose Zidan/Pochetinno as coach, but in the end they chose Erik Ten Hag, whose name may have become a little famous when he succeeded in bringing Ajax to the UCL semi-finals.
287  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 16, 2023, 07:55:41 PM
I was really surprised that Manchester City didn't win today's match against Crystal Palace. Before the game, it seemed clear that Manchester City was in good shape, especially when looking at their statistics. Since it was Manchester City's home game, I expected them to be very strong and beat Crystal Palace easily. Even though Crystal Palace tends to play well against big teams, I thought Manchester City would do everything to win, especially considering they had missed some matches and lost points recently. Unfortunately, the match didn't go as expected, and it ended in a draw. It just shows that in football, even when things seem certain, unexpected results can happen, making the game exciting and unpredictable.
This draw was of course very detrimental to Man City, and this draw also made Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston smile. I hope Arsenal don't waste the opportunity to get away from Man City, because Man City has experienced setbacks twice. I think Man City without KDB can't do anything. The brains of their attacks are always KDB, even if Haaland/Alvarez can't score, usually there are other players who make the difference.

You could say that Man City's weakness recently is their difficulty in scoring goals. Their defense this season is also not very strong. Just look, if you are two goals ahead, you can even draw. Very different from Man City last season.
288  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Earning online more preferable than offline? on: December 16, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
Today, those in online earnings usually get a profit even if you are at home, and those included in online businesses are trading online, such as crypto and forex, even in other traditional businesses that can also be used online, even direct selling, MLM, etc.
Yes, that's right, when we can make money online, this gives us the freedom to work from home and of course we can manage our own time compared to if we worked offline, and this is a big advantage for our time.

Even though working online has its drawbacks, such as not having a fixed income, because if we work offline, of course we are guaranteed to get a weekly, fortnightly or even monthly salary. But working online our income is not fixed, in fact sometimes if we only trade we can experience losses. But working online sometimes we can generate income that we don't get from offline work. Maybe this is the attraction why many people want to work online rather than offline as you said.
289  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Know when to stop on: December 16, 2023, 07:15:46 PM
In other too be successful in trading we should know when to stop,  stop when you have a big loss, stop when you are now making emotional decisions, stop when your losses have gotten to your head, stop when your confidence is low, don't ever try to get back at the market (revenge), don't trade as if you are gambling, stop when you don't have a clear insight of the market because there are countless opportunities in the market, don't blow your account trying to get back what you have loss.

Stop,  restrategized and don't come back till your confidence is back, go for  high quality trades.
Staying off the market, and not trading a more complicated market setup is a very important strategy.
the market is what it is, we as retail traders just have to react to what is playing out in other to be successful, not what we think.
As far as I know, even in gambling games we have to know when to stop, when we lose or when we win. Trading is also like that, we have to know when it's time to stop and calm ourselves so we don't make decisions emotionally. This is the same as ordinary analysis which ends in feeling. In essence, use analysis to train the right feeling.

Sometimes we need to stop for a moment to wait for news, not because we want to enter, we just want to wait for a strong urge. Because we have to know in trading not only how much profit we can get in a short time, but how consistently we can get profits.
290  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA Europa League Discussion Thread -- 2023/24 | Qualifiers on: December 15, 2023, 07:03:40 PM
Indeed. Especially the absence of Sevilla must be a big relief for the current Europa League top contenders. Because Sevilla can be a quite interesting team.  Grin  Even in a season they are going on poorly in the La Liga and Champions League they can suddenly start playing totally differently if they continue on their way with the Europa League. They even won the Europa League title in exactly a season like that previously.  Cheesy
This is very real. It would be much different if Sevilla played in the Europa League, like last season they managed to win the Europa League, even though when they won the Europa League, Sevilla's condition was in bad condition. Even in the league it was bad, they were only able to reach 12th place in the standings last season.

So I agree with you, that the absence of Sevilla in Europe is an advantage for European competitors such as Liverpool and Leverkusen, now there is AC Milan again. because when Sevilla plays in Europe the enthusiasm is different, it could be said that Sevilla has European league DNA, so if they play in the European league the enthusiasm will increase. And now that Sevilla is no longer playing in the Europa League, it's time we will see the new champions this season.
291  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler takes his own life after a loss. on: December 15, 2023, 06:45:37 PM
It’s really very sad news i read this story, although i heard a lot of such incidents even in my country, I think this is the result of excessive greed in the gambling, I don’t know why should he made a bet in such a large amount where if he loses he may lose everything and even his life, because there are no sure win guarantee in gambling so definitely it was big mistake by him because we should to make a bet with affordable amount which will not any bad impact in our life if we will loses.
Basically what makes many people commit suicide is because their minds can no longer think clearly, their minds are filled with excessive stress due to losing at gambling and this is all because they are addicted to gambling so they are no longer healthy when betting. Addiction is a big problem in gambling, so before entering the world of gambling, they must first prepare mentally, control, strategy and greed.

Just now I was looking for cases of suicide due to gambling on the internet and the result was that there were a lot of people who committed suicide due to gambling, and on average they were no longer gambling just for entertainment but had used gambling as a place to make money quickly.
292  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 15, 2023, 06:27:11 PM

It is very hard these days to predict Girona because they are unpredictable and they keep on playing with passion and zeal of winning. I must say that they are in their best form and any team that wants to win them most study their game pattern and come up with a game strategy that will overpower theirs. What I see is that Girona is consistent and know how to take advantage of their opponent weakness to win the game. I am no underestimating Athletico but they need to be careful and come up with a better game plan to win Girona who is not a big club but are far better than big clubs this season. It was this same thing that I thought that Barca will win them but the game ended up in favor of Girona.


Yes at least i, always im thinking in when they are gonna crash and start with loses, but right now they seems really solid, and with the last victory against a huge team like Barcelona in away condition is harder than ever to know if they are gonna fail, or stand with consecutive wins.
Sometimes there is a club in a league that is usually at the bottom of the standings every season, but in certain seasons as time goes by they suddenly reach a winning trend and they always get it in every game, and it is difficult to stop their enthusiasm. Even last week they managed to beat Barcelona, this was because of their enthusiasm so they consistently won. then the feeling of optimism about becoming champions can be closer to reality, a big dream that a small club has always dreamed of, being able to become league champions, beating the big clubs who have always been favorites to become champions. Girona this season can be said to have that spirit.

In this case, will Girona follow in the footsteps of Leicester who became EPL champions in 2016? Can Girona become a strong challenger to clubs like Barca, Madrid and ATM in the following seasons to become league champions? Or will you just be lucky for one season and become a mediocre and bottom club in the following seasons? We will see later
293  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 👑 CoinRoyale.com | Man City vs Crystal Palace ⚽ 16 December (FreeBet 1mBTC). on: December 15, 2023, 06:14:59 PM
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294  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Better Than Digital Gold on: December 15, 2023, 06:10:06 PM
The only advantage about bitcoin is when you have a good working strategy that will help you to sustain your investment, then you're good to go. You will gain exceptional profits compared to gold and other investments.
That's right about Bitcoin, gains are way higher than of gold.

But about strategies, there's no need to talk about it. You buy Bitcoin and just as what people does with gold, they do nothing and hold it as well. The same goes with Bitcoin.

You hold and let bitcoin work on its own and you wait for the right time to sell and you take the profits.
Bitcoin and gold are actually good for hedging value rather than keeping money in the bank. However, if we talk about profits, of course bitcoin is better than gold. Bitcoin is still the best for long-term investment assets, indeed bitcoin is high risk, high return, the decline in assets can be tens of%, wait for the next halving, the asset will change to a return of hundreds or even thousands of%. Yes, what a crazy investment. The risk is to be mentally strong in bear market conditions, but at least only for 1-2 years.

In contrast to gold, in my opinion gold is not an investment instrument, but a hedging instrument, because the increase in gold prices is in line with inflation. so this doesn't make people rich but it keeps rich people rich, because it just protects their values.
295  Economy / Economics / Re: Idea and money are very important to investment. on: December 15, 2023, 05:49:01 PM
Investing money to keep yourself financially sound is very important. But only by investing money it is not enough to make yourself financially independent. You need to have the right idea about where you invest. There are many individuals in our society who have a lot of inherited wealth. But many have no idea how to invest this wealth or money to expand wealth further. Again, there are some people who have an understanding of all aspects of investing and trading but have no money to invest. Here it is clear that having both the idea and the money to invest money is very important. If you have the right idea when it comes to investment or business. Then it is not impossible for you to reach the right destination in a short time. In any case, if you have the right idea of ​​investing your money, you will definitely benefit in the future.
Totally agree, even though we live in a very rich family, if we have the wrong mindset in managing money or don't have good ideas, we will eventually become poor too. Sometimes I like to hear those who say "oh no wonder, his parents are that rich" even though there are so many from ordinary families, but because he has the right ideas combined with maximum effort, in the end he is also successful in investing or business. So the most The perfect thing is to have both ideas and money to achieve financial independence in the future. But if I was asked to choose one, I would choose it is better to have ideas than money, because with ideas we can build a business so we can get money which ultimately results in independence. the finances that everyone dreams of will be achieved.
296  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you still use Banks ? on: December 15, 2023, 05:32:09 PM
I admit that I still use banks to save my money, and I still use fiat money to buy stuff since crypto is not yet accepted in our place.
Honestly, the use of cryptocurrency isn't fully accepted in our country which is us crypto holders to convert it into fiat and save it in the bank. For now, banks are the best option to keep my funds as I was afraid of keeping them online knowing that hackers have been aggressive at least having it kept in the banks gives me some confidence.
Currently, the existence of banks cannot be separated from everyday life to store emergency funds, to transact daily needs and so on. So I also still use banks because transactions using crypto are not available in my country. Apart from that, my country also prohibits transactions using crypto and even if caught I will be jailed for violating the law.

But the last part I don't agree with you, for me the bank is only for carrying out transactions, but to save money I invest in Bitcoin, there are risks such as hackers, but we can prevent this by using a trusted wallet and always being careful in saving our wallet phase. Because Honestly, it's not just about feeling confident about putting money in the bank. What about the value? Effect of inflation? Like it or not. the solutions provided by bitcoin cannot be underestimated. Time will surely tell how much of a crime banks have committed against us.
297  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The risk and reward of having Bitcoin on: December 15, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
There is a saying that what ever had an advantage also had a disadvantage, why am saying this is because most people especially the newbie's thinks when having Bitcoin the situation is always win win win. So I will be listing a few of the advantages and disadvantages of having it.
disadvantage of having it
This is a failure that is carried out by humans, not because of Bitcoin, when you send the wrong thing, the risk is loss and vice versa, the level of security that you apply to the Bitcoin storage wallet that you have. Bitcoin is so perfect for itself and it is the individual's job to be careful and not careless in using it because when someone is not careful, they will be at their own risk.

We have been faced with many risks in the previous system and this does not mean that Bitcoin does not have risks, but to what extent are we able to carry out the level of security and the level of price fluctuations for someone involved in it. You don't need a third party and we can manage the investment system ourselves, these advantages are what make Bitcoin the best choice at the moment.
Yes, exactly. When we fail to invest in bitcoin completely it is only our own fault, there is no fault with bitcoin. Because bitcoin technology is so perfect, even bitcoin is freedom because no one can control it, who can control each of us, so be wise in using bitcoin, especially regarding wallet security.

So it is true that before investing in Bitcoin we have to study in more detail first so that there are no mistakes that result in losses to ourselves. It could be said that the risk of Bitcoin depends entirely on us in maintaining and using it. Moreover, there are many benefits that we can get from investing in Bitcoin.
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299  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I start investing in Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2023, 09:42:41 PM
Can someone please guide is it a good practice to start investing in Bitcoin in this upcoming January-2024?
If you already have knowledge about bitcoin and have confidence, there is no need to wait until January to buy bitcoin, do it now before the turn of the new year, because for me the sooner the better, I also don't see any signs of bitcoin going down again.

Because to be successful, you need to make a plan and work towards it. Investing is still the smartest way to prepare for the unexpected. For anyone who wants to get started, the good news is that it is never too late to start. Creating wealth and gaining financial freedom is not as difficult as many people think. Because bitcoin investment is the only true way to earn big income in the future.
300  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is hard!!! on: December 14, 2023, 09:04:02 PM
In addition a lot of newbies in trading are mostly carried away by some Photoshop profits of some deceptive traders who painted trading as a easy venture of earning quick money thus many newbies also embark on trading with just basic knowledge and idea with the mindset of earning huge profit as soon as possible thereby defying every detail about trading unfortunately ended up losing their hard money, trading is hard mostly as a beginner however with time and effort dedicated  towards learning trading would yield a positive only if the learning process took a lot of studying time.
Cases like the one you told about happen a lot for beginners, seeing many people sharing profits from trading even though the results are from Photoshop, so these beginners also chase what they have seen, so many beginners experience losses. This is all because many beginners cannot verify trusted sources for learning trading.

Even though learning trading also requires looking for a trusted mentor and of course you need patience in learning trading, don't expect to learn trading instantly. Many people study trading for years but have not fully mastered trading, and trading is not as easy as theory. As you said, learning to trade takes time and a lot of dedication so that you can produce maximum trading.
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