Regarding the 'never met an altruistic person' person.
I think that speaks volumes about you, not about the society you live in.
I feel a little unconformable to go much too personal level here. By stating that I have never met an altruistic individual I meant, I do not believe there is such a trait as altruism. I have met a lot of different kind of people (been previously working in sales around 5-6 yrs so I have indeed met a variety of different type of people). That being said, I do not mean there is no people participating charities, donating money to causes, helping and voluntaaring, being nice to others despite the other may not be nice to you etc. I simply meant I do not believe there is something truly altruism. If you scratch a bit the surface you might find some selfish motives behind those seemingly altruistic actions (for instance, voluntaaring gives you a feeling of being needed by someone, donations makes you either happy or helping you to express yourself somehow - the highest level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs etc). All I am saying is that not everything that looks good is good after all if you go deep enough. That being said, I personally am donating in causes I want to support, and indeed the feeling after done this is heavenly and as I believe in God (however, I do not believe in doctrines but God who is simply the Almighty Creator without describing Him more) and that God will reward it at some point. |
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I am a feminist, B.C., and unashamed about it.
Started in on libertarian politics in the early 90's (after serving in airborne infantry!), and worked with anarcha-feminists in the late 90's.
Eisenstein has a definition of 'feminism' that I find few people find too confronting:
'A lot of unfortunate stuff has happened to women, and it's reasonable to do something about it.'
But I have shifted significantly from the 'anti-essentialist' foundation of the theory of that era.
In the western world women have things pretty well... I think the feminism is more needed in some Islamistic countries. The situation is critical there, also in many third world countries women have bad situation. In my country, Finland, on the other hand things are pretty well with women. We even had a female president for 2 rounds which is the maximum that the law allows to be a president here. |
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Please understand that I have no wish to promote dissent, but I will post the following because if the position I am analysing -- selfish action in markets is absolutely the only intelligent action -- is correct, then Un-Ex and any other community undertakings are naive:
Here is The Position: " . . . because I was taught in economics class those many years ago that self interest is the only way that capital markets work."
" 'Many years ago' is the key phrase here. The evolutionary psychologists have fascinating data on how human societies work, and it always involves interplay between selfishness and altruism.
I recommend a BBC documentary titled 'The Trap.' Watch the section on IBM-Rand/Nash/game theory very carefully. You will see in play 'petitio principii' -- the guys in control wanted a certain outcome, and simply dismissed data that contra-indicated.
[For example, the theorists predicted that 'If X, then Y.' They asked the (female) secretaries in the building to play the game. The outcomes were almost entirely 'If X, then not-Y' -- but the Military Types just ignored that glitch. (What would a bunch of women know about how human society functions?) There is later in the doco a statement about who did assiduously stick to the game-theory models: psychopaths and economists.]
Here's my theoretical position on All This:
Marxists, anarchists, second-wave feminists, people with fundamental religious beliefs, neo-liberals, fascists -- they all tend to polarise their positions. It's a sort of 'bargaining tactic': to 'negate' Marxism, you admit no common ground, you take exactly the opposite position (a radical individualist stance). And vice versa.
[Look up the linguistic principle of 'hypercorrection.']
Of course, all us non-theorists know that there usually is middle ground. You may oppose communism, but you're still not gonna try to carry a piano down a flight of stairs on your own."
Mark
Well for me, as an economics student, it is obvious everyone acts by maximizing personal utility. To be honest, I have not met an altruistic person. Sure I have met people who do charity and help others but I do not see them being altruistic. They simply enjoy the feeling of helping others, being needed by someone. Their preference may not be financial gain but the good feeling you get when you do something to others - thus they are maximizing their personal utility which in this case is not financial. The companies maximizes the financial gain but not individual human beings who maximizes simply their utility (utility is very vague concept since it has pretty multiple meanings - it includes in general each everyone's personal preferences). The capitalistic system is the best system that works so far - it may not be the perfect but the best so far among the systems until better will be invented.  The communistic system fails to the problem of free riders since there is no competition which is a positive force. |
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Unobtanium has proven once again - and will prove in the future - being light as a piece of a cork tree. Always after the storm it rises on the top and floats on the waves.  |
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Posting on behalf of IMZ-Mark. Its the Mt Barker UNO Crew  G'day mates, hows dat goin in there downunder?  *trying to speak in Oz accent* |
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guys, this can easy stick around at 0.02 to 0.03 easy! Low supply, you know ... the reason you bought it ... But if you dump in the buysupport like a tribe of apes it'll be a) not stable b) volatile and c) lower price Just put some supply on the books and chill out a little instead of causing volatility "Sell in small pieces" +1 You better don't sell one large package but many small ones - this will also simulate a market with more participants and make for better trends and more relaxed trading experience. Bene has that right. Lol. Here's a thread from 11 months ago of Gustav and me talking about Uno. We both were -- and still are -- believers in Uno at .03. Uno is on it's way up, over the long term. Buy it at a good price, and if the pumpers step in and take us too far too fast, then sell it on them. I have a % of Uno that I play with. The rest is just scattered across multiple addresses and forgotten. I don't even see it my main wallet so that it's out of sight and not tempting. We'll keep slowly buying up the market, and if necessary we'll dump on the pumpers. We are the distributed stability fund. This is what the long timers are doing. We're here for the long term. Uno is going to go up. But if it tanks and goes really low, that's ok. The dumpers might be done but we're not. We don't have to prove anything by posting a buy wall for vampire/potatoes to dump into. Let them sell it to us cheap. We'll buy it back up eventually. No rush. We all know where Uno is going. Getting there is half the fun. If you want to vet the long timers here, just go back and read Blazr2's Uno launch thread. We are in this for the long haul. We operate in public, not in kiddie chat rooms. You don't need to pay me for access to a secret chat room to understand what's happening with Uno. All I ask is that we keep our top four markets semi-liquid. There should be coins to buy. This helps the outreach to bring in new community members. It just looks really bad when there are no coins for sale. I had been carrying some of the exchanges for months, but I need help with it. I lost 400+ Uno on Mintpal, and I think the risk should be a little more distributed than it has been. If you can help with 50 or more Uno on Trex/Bleu/Allcrypt, that would be tremendous. Edit: Yes its true. In that thread I linked to, I said: "One other suggestion: ... keep your UNOcoins off the market! Don't just roll them up to .02; keep them scarce!" I have evolved on that opinion since. 11 months later, I think there needs to be a reasonable supply of Uno on exchanges for trading (including Un-Ex). i have observed: every time you call for 'more supply' the price tends to go up. No supply at these prices? Not enough Uno liquidity? Maybe price is too low then ... (kind of logical) You know what's funny? When the price goes up too fast and everyone is like - NOW, we need some potato dumpers to bring the price down so I can get some more. Then, the potato dumpers do their thing, and everyone is suddenly... Hmm, damn... But, as Furry said; This coin is psychological. It's a psychopath coin... Z Well, I got the coins I wanted already - therefore I wanted the liquidity (with UNOs on the markets). Now I have around 700 UNOs (roughly). And obviously I wanted my coins as cheap as possible. Now there is no need for extra coins but I am still supporting the price with my purchases. However, this is mainly my attempts to help the community to create more demand for the coins into exchanges so it is "unselfish" stuff - I will do it even when the price is up - not just on the low points. This dump helped me to get a nice addition to my UNO collection. Normally I do not like dumps but the problem was there were simply too few coins on the market for sale.  But now I am happy and ready for the Moon. |
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short comment:
you guys/ the community shouldn't advocate for 'dumping on pumps' - instead it would be a good idea to advocate for 'increase sellresistance on pumps'
What's the dumping about? Dumping just causes a low price and volatility.
Why would you dump at no sellresistance (like last time)? Is a high price too much for you to handle?
If you think it's a pump, just put up a sellwall instead of dumping on people.
With dumping on your own progress and first signs of higher volume you're not going to get anywhere.
No sellresistance = easy priceincrease
More sellresistance = less fast priceincrease
Dumps = negative feedbackloops and a drop in price
So the community really shouldn't advocate for dumps on pumps but instead for increased sellresistance on pumps imo. We're wanting to move forward, don't we? With dumping on every price increase we're not going to get anywhere.
Exactly. Sell resistance works as well and feeds the hungry people with more coins. We need to drive the marketcap eventually to the moon and dumping is indeed negative for the whole community as it surpresses the price. Sell resistance on the other hand is excellent for the community (including the seller - he gets better price when his wall is taken eventually - the difference might be as much as dozens of percents!!!). On the other hand - once (s)he has dumped his/her coins, then it is pretty much game over and we are ready for extreme highs. This is the reason I love UNO. It is such a small coin that it is after all easy to take to billions once the good guys get enough coins on their stashes. Remember, each coin in cold wallet is less coins for dumpsters to dump on the markets. |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Can't afford any Bitcoin-to-buy-Uno for a few weeks. At risk of gnawing my foot off in frustration.
Welcome ftc-flow99999 and NotAPonzi
I'm with you. I scooped up a few just now... but, I'm afraid that's it for a bit... same feeling of frustration. Z Did the Bter hackers also get UNO from bter? I mean, the selling pressure looks so big that there is something fishy or is it normal? I don't know about that. But, I was thinking the same thing about the selling pressure. I was wondering earlier if this could possibly be fall out from Gekko? I mean, it doesn't have to be all Gekko. One person dumps and many follow suit. Funny, Gekko sent me (all of us - on Crypto Coin Talk) a link to Wolong's "book" - right before his dump. He said that he had just been reviewing it. ... A year into this and I'm still no match for a dump of 800... ha ha (laughing at myself, here). Gekko's dump of 800, I've been able to absorb about 70. Hopefully I am closing on a home refinance this next week and won't have a March payment. I'm hoping that the closing will be low and the difference between the closing and March payment I will put into BTC. I'm currently planning to put a quarter of that into UNO and perhaps a sixth into MZC (still thinking that one). But then, the closing could be as much as the March payment, and then... I don't know... the usual, I guess. Z Who is Gekko? Not sure. I first saw him over on Crypto Coin Talk... I wasn't over there for all of those discussions. Just early on I saw him over there ... and, he mentioned, "the book". I asked what the book was and he sent me a link to what he called, "Wolong's book". I think I saw a few posts from him on here... and then read a couple days later that he had dumped 800 UNO. The file name for Wolong's book is "god", i.e. "Game of Deception". That's all I know. https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf(I did a Google search to find that again) Him / he ... agree with cragv... you know, could be a she? Z 800 UNO these days are not that big money, it is only 1600 usd. In liquid markets it shouldn't affect too much on price. For instance, if a bullion dealer sells gold and needs USD to cover the sale, there need to be liquidity for the dealer enough to get the dollars out since bullion business is all about managing fiat/gold ratio. You do not get even 2 oz of gold with 800 UNO these days. It is better they dump it now while it is cheap instead of dumping 800 UNO when the price is really high. Well... the present market cap of UNO is less than half a million. It went over a million last week (1.2)... but point being; even small amounts have ripple effects. "Animal Spirits" and all that... One person selling off a large amount triggers other people to sell off... or vice versa. Adds up... I "try" to do the opposite... but, best laid plans. But, I see what you're saying about the possible BTER factor. Perhaps someone more insightful will chime in. Z Now definetely is a good time to buy but not all-in neither. Just do the budgeting well and divide the monthly UNO allowance how many bitcoins one can afford to spend on supporting the coin on daily basis and stick to it. The disciplineship is the key here. There is not really that many coins even available and nobody can't dump more coins than there exists. Good advice. Dollar cost average. This thread is getting rather bloated! Z (Business School Graduate - Project Management) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KsxHlJuVBUDespite UNO will never be adopted by the huge masses it can succeed by being a community coin. Once one member needs to buy a real estate, a car etc he can find a buyer(s) from other community members for the coins and do the transaction and once (s)he has done the transaction, (s)he starts again collecting UNOs. This is like the bank of the community, "social banking". It is vital to have the growth pattern in UNO price - even a small bull trend which encourages hoarding. |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Can't afford any Bitcoin-to-buy-Uno for a few weeks. At risk of gnawing my foot off in frustration.
Welcome ftc-flow99999 and NotAPonzi
I'm with you. I scooped up a few just now... but, I'm afraid that's it for a bit... same feeling of frustration. Z Did the Bter hackers also get UNO from bter? I mean, the selling pressure looks so big that there is something fishy or is it normal? I don't know about that. But, I was thinking the same thing about the selling pressure. I was wondering earlier if this could possibly be fall out from Gekko? I mean, it doesn't have to be all Gekko. One person dumps and many follow suit. Funny, Gekko sent me (all of us - on Crypto Coin Talk) a link to Wolong's "book" - right before his dump. He said that he had just been reviewing it. ... A year into this and I'm still no match for a dump of 800... ha ha (laughing at myself, here). Gekko's dump of 800, I've been able to absorb about 70. Hopefully I am closing on a home refinance this next week and won't have a March payment. I'm hoping that the closing will be low and the difference between the closing and March payment I will put into BTC. I'm currently planning to put a quarter of that into UNO and perhaps a sixth into MZC (still thinking that one). But then, the closing could be as much as the March payment, and then... I don't know... the usual, I guess. Z Who is Gekko? Not sure. I first saw him over on Crypto Coin Talk... I wasn't over there for all of those discussions. Just early on I saw him over there ... and, he mentioned, "the book". I asked what the book was and he sent me a link to what he called, "Wolong's book". I think I saw a few posts from him on here... and then read a couple days later that he had dumped 800 UNO. The file name for Wolong's book is "god", i.e. "Game of Deception". That's all I know. https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf(I did a Google search to find that again) Him / he ... agree with cragv... you know, could be a she? Z 800 UNO these days are not that big money, it is only 1600 usd. In liquid markets it shouldn't affect too much on price. For instance, if a bullion dealer sells gold and needs USD to cover the sale, there need to be liquidity for the dealer enough to get the dollars out since bullion business is all about managing fiat/gold ratio. You do not get even 2 oz of gold with 800 UNO these days. It is better they dump it now while it is cheap instead of dumping 800 UNO when the price is really high. Well... the present market cap of UNO is less than half a million. It went over a million last week (1.2)... but point being; even small amounts have ripple effects. "Animal Spirits" and all that... One person selling off a large amount triggers other people to sell off... or vice versa. Adds up... I "try" to do the opposite... but, best laid plans. But, I see what you're saying about the possible BTER factor. Perhaps someone more insightful will chime in. Z Now definetely is a good time to buy but not all-in neither. Just do the budgeting well and divide the monthly UNO allowance how many bitcoins one can afford to spend on supporting the coin on daily basis and stick to it. The disciplineship is the key here. There is not really that many coins even available and nobody can't dump more coins than there exists. |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Can't afford any Bitcoin-to-buy-Uno for a few weeks. At risk of gnawing my foot off in frustration.
Welcome ftc-flow99999 and NotAPonzi
I'm with you. I scooped up a few just now... but, I'm afraid that's it for a bit... same feeling of frustration. Z Did the Bter hackers also get UNO from bter? I mean, the selling pressure looks so big that there is something fishy or is it normal? I don't know about that. But, I was thinking the same thing about the selling pressure. I was wondering earlier if this could possibly be fall out from Gekko? I mean, it doesn't have to be all Gekko. One person dumps and many follow suit. Funny, Gekko sent me (all of us - on Crypto Coin Talk) a link to Wolong's "book" - right before his dump. He said that he had just been reviewing it. ... A year into this and I'm still no match for a dump of 800... ha ha (laughing at myself, here). Gekko's dump of 800, I've been able to absorb about 70. Hopefully I am closing on a home refinance this next week and won't have a March payment. I'm hoping that the closing will be low and the difference between the closing and March payment I will put into BTC. I'm currently planning to put a quarter of that into UNO and perhaps a sixth into MZC (still thinking that one). But then, the closing could be as much as the March payment, and then... I don't know... the usual, I guess. Z Who is Gekko? Not sure. I first saw him over on Crypto Coin Talk... I wasn't over there for all of those discussions. Just early on I saw him over there ... and, he mentioned, "the book". I asked what the book was and he sent me a link to what he called, "Wolong's book". I think I saw a few posts from him on here... and then read a couple days later that he had dumped 800 UNO. The file name for Wolong's book is "god", i.e. "Game of Deception". That's all I know. https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf(I did a Google search to find that again) Him / he ... agree with cragv... you know, could be a she? Z 800 UNO these days are not that big money, it is only 1600 usd. In liquid markets it shouldn't affect too much on price. For instance, if a bullion dealer sells gold and needs USD to cover the sale, there need to be liquidity for the dealer enough to get the dollars out since bullion business is all about managing fiat/gold ratio. You do not get even 2 oz of gold with 800 UNO these days. It is better they dump it now while it is cheap instead of dumping 800 UNO when the price is really high. |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Can't afford any Bitcoin-to-buy-Uno for a few weeks. At risk of gnawing my foot off in frustration.
Welcome ftc-flow99999 and NotAPonzi
I'm with you. I scooped up a few just now... but, I'm afraid that's it for a bit... same feeling of frustration. Z Did the Bter hackers also get UNO from bter? I mean, the selling pressure looks so big that there is something fishy or is it normal? I don't know about that. But, I was thinking the same thing about the selling pressure. I was wondering earlier if this could possibly be fall out from Gekko? I mean, it doesn't have to be all Gekko. One person dumps and many follow suit. Funny, Gekko sent me (all of us - on Crypto Coin Talk) a link to Wolong's "book" - right before his dump. He said that he had just been reviewing it. ... A year into this and I'm still no match for a dump of 800... ha ha (laughing at myself, here). Gekko's dump of 800, I've been able to absorb about 70. Hopefully I am closing on a home refinance this next week and won't have a March payment. I'm hoping that the closing will be low and the difference between the closing and March payment I will put into BTC. I'm currently planning to put a quarter of that into UNO and perhaps a sixth into MZC (still thinking that one). But then, the closing could be as much as the March payment, and then... I don't know... the usual, I guess. Z Who is Gekko? |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Can't afford any Bitcoin-to-buy-Uno for a few weeks. At risk of gnawing my foot off in frustration.
Welcome ftc-flow99999 and NotAPonzi
I'm with you. I scooped up a few just now... but, I'm afraid that's it for a bit... same feeling of frustration. Z Did the Bter hackers also get UNO from bter? I mean, the selling pressure looks so big that there is something fishy or is it normal? |
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With Altmarket coming soon, I don't feel like Uno really needs more markets, unless they can bring something really unique and special to the communit (China would be very special).
Uno still has a lot of unrealized potential at Bleutrade, with their USD and alternate trade pairs.
Quality over quantity. Anyone buy sell or trade $UNO on ebay or craigslist? If so, what was the experience like? Also, is there some sort of best practices for these kind of transactions? I remember trying to buy bitcoin around $5 and $45 - but was befuddled by the too few avenues of getting them back then. It's much easier today. I want folks to be able to get $UNO for under $5 if they desire to. Ebay is an excellent idea - just trade smaller amounts there. Perhaps with fractions since trading with paypal involves a risk to become scammed. |
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The dumpers are loosing this round - once again.
UNO has proven to be a dumping proof.
In the haul of few years it will be very expensive coin.
§ 1.0.
Thou shalt not dump thine Unobtaniums or thou becometh poor.
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Might have to rethink getting Uno on Bter. I just tried to log into Bter today and was greeted with this message. They had that big NXT hack, the BAY controversy, now this. --- 7170 BTC got stolen from our cold wallet in this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/f5b0363f03e1ed8bb812c135361ea93590c831ce9f13a3750be1b93575baccc6720 BTC bounty for chasing it back. All wallets have been shut down and withdrawals of the unaffected coins will be arranged later. BTER.com Email:support@mail.bter.com Phone:400-0070-955 QQ: 4000070955 " Yes BTER is dead now and it's not coming back. I guess we'll see, but they now have a serious confidence issue. The idea behind Bter was to get entre to the Chinese market for Uno. They seemed like a good exchange to approach at the time. Special thanks to Baars who has generously been giving of his Bter points to help run up the vote total. I really appreciated the support. We'll see how it goes. I hope this doen't kill them and that they get their shit together. But maybe btc38 would be a better choice if we are going to put in the effort. With Altmarket coming soon, I don't feel like Uno really needs more markets, unless they can bring something really unique and special to the communit (China would be very special). Uno still has a lot of unrealized potential at Bleutrade, with their USD and alternate trade pairs. Poloniex has good reputation and it is known to have high level security. China indeed needs Unobtanium. |
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@True cryptonotes are to be watched. (deadon read of Mo) but I think the duck/darknote might be the best play (so polo ah gain). Also hitbtc on the radar. dsh i like 2 but we will see if it pans out. Monero is # 1 among the cryptonote - just see the community. I do not want to play with duck or darknotes so it is not for me. I am not saying they are bad but I am not just as interested as I am for Monero. Again, Monero has some big names and very lively community. But I do not see growth potential with Monero's price currently (at least not that much) so it will need some reductions in block rewards so that the price will go to skyhigh. My Monero wallet is untouched since December and it will remind as such, it might die or skyrocket - my livelyhood will not be affected if I loose 100 % of the money invested in Monero. |
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Yes Poloniex is a Monero exchange.
It is my # 2 crypto. However currently the inflation is way too high in XMR so it will rise earliest in 2016. The anonymity is the feature which appeals me in Monero. It has its niche and I am sure it will be desired by many later when people notice the arrestings and FBI attacks among the bitcoin community.
So why not use Darkcoin instead?  There is a lot of debate on how anonymous it actually is. I am not a tech guy but as far as I know, it is different tech (Crypto note, not a coin). Also it has caught the attention of some major names in bitcoin community. |
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 oh fudge cicles yeah I'd say BTER has taken a few 2 many steps backwards. Cost benefit analyses: Focus on Cry, Trex, and UnEx. From there we can see who is worthy of Un. Guess is BTCe will be approachable about that time. Who knows one of the Singapore or Hong Kong Ex might surface by then. Tah! edit: like POlo too ... Montana Big Sky Guns Bears Gold Monero and legal MJ ... go America! (maza country too) Yes Poloniex is a Monero exchange. It is my # 2 crypto. However currently the inflation is way too high in XMR so it will rise earliest in 2016. The anonymity is the feature which appeals me in Monero. It has its niche and I am sure it will be desired by many later when people notice the arrestings and FBI attacks among the bitcoin community. |
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Might have to rethink getting Uno on Bter. I just tried to log into Bter today and was greeted with this message. They had that big NXT hack, the BAY controversy, now this. --- 7170 BTC got stolen from our cold wallet in this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/f5b0363f03e1ed8bb812c135361ea93590c831ce9f13a3750be1b93575baccc6720 BTC bounty for chasing it back. All wallets have been shut down and withdrawals of the unaffected coins will be arranged later. BTER.com Email:support@mail.bter.com Phone:400-0070-955 QQ: 4000070955 " I suggest Poloniex. They have a good reputation and they repaid the coins that were hacked and imrpoved their security. |
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It is terrifying to watch how the sell walls are being eaten with one bite only on Bittrex.  Someone is hungry now for rare and precious UNO. I can't blame this person though. |
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